Skip to comments.Terrorism in Wichita
Posted on 06/02/2009 8:01:29 AM PDT by SmithL
If law enforcement officials believe they can prove that Scott Roeder is guilty of Sunday's shooting death of abortion doctor George Tiller at the Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita, Kan., then they should work to put him away for life. Roeder is being held on first-degree murder and two counts of aggravated assault.
In killing Tiller, the gunman did more than commit one violent act that ended a man's life. The slaying also served to intimidate abortion providers - and perhaps chase some professionals out of the practice altogether. Thus by use of violence, the shooter set out to achieve that which he could not achieve through the democratic political process.
Boulder, Colo., abortion doctor Warren Hern called the killing "a political assassination in a historic pattern of anti-abortion political violence. It was terrorism," according to the Associated Press.
Unfortunately, the National Right to Life Committee issued a statement that lacked Hern's clarity and outrage. The statement extended sympathy to Tiller's family, then condemned "any such acts of violence regardless of motivation. The pro-life movement works to protect the right to life and increase respect for human life. The unlawful use of violence is directly contrary to that goal."
I understand that anti-abortion activists considered Tiller's practice of late-term abortions to be heinous in and of itself - and they had a moral argument. But that moral argument is undermined by the shooting of a doctor - in a church, of all places.
And it doesn't help when Randall Terry, an anti-abortion activist, tells reporters, "George Tiller was a mass murderer. We grieve for him that he did not have time to properly prepare his soul to face God. I am more concerned that the Obama administration will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric...
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Oh. What I meant, of course, was does his death mean that one or more babies will not be aborted by him? Was he still aborting babies? If so, I am personally very glad he is gone, however it happened. Is anybody on this thread not glad he is gone? (Let’s not get into how it happened.)
The two issues cannot be split. Murdering this "doctor", while he was in church and posed no immediate danger to others, was wrong.
Let’s put aside the legal issue. Are you glad he is gone?
I’m not arguing one way or another that we’re a nation of laws.
I’m saying make the laws outlaw abortion and convict everyone involved in abortion of murder, from the secretary who answers the phone, to the abortionist, to the woman who has the abortion.
Then we will have this straightened out...
What standard says that pro-life groups who stand against this murder should share the blame for it?
Why should conservatives endorse such a standard?
When conservatives willingly shoulder the double standard as a mark of martyrdom, perhaps it is evidence of a political movement losing its mind.
My point is that we should not put aside the legal issue of murder in a discussion relating to the sanctity of life. We should not in our words or our actions suggest that murder is an acceptable means of achieving political ends (and this is a political end, since another "doctor" is taking over that grim practice). The killer deserves life without parole or death under the law; that's all that is worth commenting on in this situation.
This was not an act of terrorism, which should make it more terrifying for the practitionors of abortion.
Let me explain.
If this were part of a terror plot, the plotters can be tracted down, organizations dismantled, informants planted.
This was the act of a lone demented gunman. Politics aside, persons of fame or infamy are at much more risk from the lone crazy person that they are from an organized attack.
Because of politics, this will be labeled as terrorism and political and legal forces will be aligned against the pro-life movement. But to restate my point, this was the act of a lone deranged man, incarcerating every priest, preacher and christian in the country will not prevent similar acts in the future.
You said to another Freeper — Lets put aside the legal issue. Are you glad he is gone?
I’m glad the abortionist is gone. And I know that the shooter must be given the death penalty for shooting the abortionist too. And I’ll be glad the shooter is gone, too — when he’s given the death penalty...
What Roeder did was illegal. What Tiller did was made legal by a corrupt judicial system, not by consent of the people. Tiller's Hell would be no less heinous if he had to spend eternity having Roeder tell him what he did to gain his wealth was evil ... but then, there is little to persuade some of us that Roeder actually was pro-life since he has murdered someone and brought such bad 'karma' upon his family and those who are pro-life.
Thus by use of violence, the shooter set out to achieve that which he could not achieve through the democratic political process.
Slap a kaffiyeh on Roeder and he'd get a Nobel Peace Prize.
Very well, then, let me know when we can begin to form this new nation of laws and I will be there to help.
I don’t think it’s going to happen, because the people in the nation don’t want it to happen. And I don’t think either you or I or others can change the minds of those many people, either (that’s in my estimation, which would be very good if I were wrong, too...).
And thus, it will result in the judgment of God upon the nation for the killing of those 50 million over the years.
There’s what I know should be done, and there’s what I know will happen. What I know will happen is the judgment of God upon this nation for this...
No, it's a "man-man disaster" .... or does that only apply to muslims terror bombings and stuff?
I think one of the reasons liberals are so afraid of Governor Palin is that she may be the one who could change people's minds about both abortion and the rule of law. I hope she is the one or that we will find the right one for 2012.
Based on the headline, I thought she was talking about this:
Well..., I can always hope, along with doing what I can, as a citizen and voter — but I’m not encouraged by what I see now, in our society.
I understand and respect your opinion, but I must be honest about this. In a thread some time ago I said that I do not value the lives of people who torture dogs. To me the lives of those people are worth zero. Likewise, Tiller’s life is worthless to me because of his actions. From a practical standpoint, this means I won’t join in condemning the guy who made him go away.