Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 06/03/2009 10:30:47 AM PDT by TaraP
Climate Change: NASA predicts the lowest sunspot activity since 1928. Is a major solar storm in the offing? While we worry about man-made warming, the sun may soon show us who's boss. It's the sort of news that makes one's eyes glaze over. "If our prediction is correct, Solar Cycle 24 will have a peak sunspot number of 90, the lowest of any cycle since 1928 when Solar Cycle 16 peaked at 78," said Doug Biesecker of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Space Weather Prediction Center. Yes, space has weather, in the form of solar radiation that varies with solar activity in the form of sunspots and solar flares. Biesecker heads an NOAA panel that keeps an eye on such things and released this latest report.
(Excerpt) Read more at ibdeditorials.com ...
George Bush broke the sun!?!?!
The National Research Council has estimated that such a storm would play havoc with our power grid, resulting in “large-scale blackouts affecting more than 130 million people (in the U.S.) and (exposing) more than 350 major transformers to the risk of permanent damage.”
NASA says this solar cycle will peak in 2013. The Mayan calendar identifies Dec. 12, 2012, as the end of the world as we know it. Seems to us we might better spend our money protecting our power grid and high-tech infrastructure against such a possibility rather than worrying about the emission standards for our cars.
That, and stock up on sunscreen.
Chump change compared to the $200 trillion the President just burned in the global financial markets.
As long as it waits to wipe out the power grid until AFTER I pick up that manual pump for my well-head...
Maybe Obama has a *Sun Plan*
Will he elect a Sun Czar?
This can't be true! Hansen and his media sycophants keep telling us this has been the hottest decade ever! They wouldn't lie, now would they??? Hmmmm?
LOL! Sunscreen won't stop the radation. Best to stock up on bulk food supplies, water, and ammo!
Yeah and we haven’t had any yet
NASA does not know when Solar Cycle 24 will begin and has no
methodology for predicting how many sunspots it will have.
LOL!
“I need immediate passage of this $500 trillion program to pump hydrogen into the sun. It’ll be paid for by a new tax on fingers and toesies.”
LOL....
*And if we blow up the SUN not to worry I Obama will call out to the Heavens and Create another one....*
Yikes!
‘Quiet Sun’ baffling astronomers
FROM APRIL 21, 2009
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8008473.stm
The Sun is the dimmest it has been for nearly a century.
There are no sunspots, very few solar flares - and our nearest star is the quietest it has been for a very long time.
The observations are baffling astronomers, who are due to study new pictures of the Sun, taken from space, at the UK National Astronomy Meeting.
The Darkened Sun, and Bloody Moon
The prophet Joel claimed the sun will turn to darkness, and the moon will become like blood, before the arrival of the day of the Lord. Perhaps he observed an eclipse of the sun, that had turned day into night, and at another time, the moon had become blood-red during a lunar eclipse. He perceived a great significance in these signs, as both the sun and the moon were appointed for signs, seasons, days, and years in Genesis 1:14.
And God said, Let there be lights in the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
I've read by the light of the Aurora Borealis several times. In the Arctic, at the peak of the solar cycle, it's not uncommon for the aurora to be bright & very spectacular.
Interesting points and speculations.
Thanks.
You’re gonna be hand pumping like a madman for the thousands of people lined up to drink your water!
Sarah Connor: "Anybody not wearing 2 million sunblock is gonna have a real bad day. Get it?"
'Cause that'd be the only way I'd let them on my land.
That article left out a salient point. In the 1859 solar storm, the Aurora Borealis was seen as far south as the Caribbean. Gold miners in the Rocky Mountains were awakened in the middle of the night, and began preparing breakfast, thinking it was morning.
Obama doesn’t “elect” anything.
He appoints.
(see Castro, Linin, Mao, Chavez, etc.)
Compared to the radiance of The Chosen One, the sun can no longer muster the will to live.
One difference between seeing the Aurora in the Arctic, vs. in the south — the further north you are, the higher up the lights are. In the Arctic, the lights often resemble glowing curtains hanging from the heavens; and they wave, dance, and change colours all the time. No matter how much I saw them, they always inspired awe.
It’s like... you know ... like Mother Sun is like crying for her Baby Gaia you know. Right now she’s like pouting you know ... and like later, you know, Mother Sun is gonna get like really pissed and the spots will prove that AlGore’s right. Cuz you know if we were better to our planet, then the universe would be better to us but we’re not so our planet is doomed but if we do everything Barack says then it’ll be OK cuz he’s like really smart and stuff ... you know .....
Well, I’ve been in a full solar eclipse before, right on the center line, and it was very interesting all right — but — it doesn’t turn day into night, by any means, at all.
It’s an eerie evening/dusky sort of thing, and you can see, way out in the distance (out on the horizon, if the view is clear all the way out) — the shadow line of the solar eclipse, and past that point, you can see the bright sunlight hitting the ground (but, that’s pretty far out on the horizon).
So, it’s not completely dark when you’re directly in the solar eclipse. It does get eerily quiet, though. That’s sort of a weird thing, too.
And this is another one that I’ve seen several times in the past, too. It’s another item that repeats with great regularity. I remember the last time that I distinctly recall seeing this was when the comet Hale-Bopp was visible and everyone was out looking at it (over a period of time). During one of those times, I remember Hale-Bopp being over on one side of the sky and then the blood-red moon being on the other side of the sky. I thought that opposition to one another was interesting...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Hale-Bopp
Since this is a topic which is a *core fact* having to do with Global Warming (or Global Cooling, as it may be...), the following is essential, too...
It’s one thing to gripe and complain about these things and disagree with it, but it’s quite *another* to convince your friends and neighbors and relatives and coworkers...
THEREFORE..., it’s also absolutely necessary for people to know the information in the following documentary. If there were simply *one* video that you could see and/or show people you know... this would be the *one*...
The following is an *excellent* video documentary on the so-called “Global Warming” I would recommend it to all FReepers. It’s a very well-made documentary.
“The Great Global Warming Swindle”
If you want to download it, via a BitTorrent site (using a BitTorrent client), you can get it at the following link.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3635222/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle
[this is a high-quality copy, of about a gigabyte in size...]
It’s worth seeing and having for relatives, friends, neighbors and coworkers to see.
Also, see it online here...
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swindle.php
[this one is considerably lower quality, is a flash video and viewable online, of course...]
Buy it here...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000WLUXZE
[this one would be the very highest quality version, on a DVD disk, of several gigabytes in size...]
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Also, in split parts on YouTube...
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 1 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMA6sszChwQ
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 2 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERisgJ3QWjk
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 3 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HLVYwmZoxc
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 4 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr-AG3BA1Go
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 5 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbllTsBHuxk
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 6 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyK7C1OrAAo
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 7 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrIX8LcAuMQ
The Great Global Warming Swindle (Part 8 of 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-ZmCDOZbtM
Well, if we were to measure the coming Day of the Lord, according to the scarcity of sunspots, we would have declared the “Day of the Lord” happened during the Maunder Minimum, several hundred years ago. The present circumstances are barely anything compared to that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_minimum
[take a look at that chart there, and it will tell the story...]
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Also, in Joel, as you read the book, you’ll see that it’s definitely talking about the “end of the end times”, for sure. I say that, because the “end times” started almost two thousands years ago and has been continuing all through this present time. But now we are at the “end” of the “end times”, and very close to that Tribulation Period, or the “Day of the Lord”. And that “Day of the Lord” is the seven-year Tribulation time. Those signs are going to be happening in that period of time.
Also, there’s a period of the Tribulation that can be associated with the “Great and Terrible Day of the Lord”, which to me, is the last 3-1/2 years of that Tribulation time, which is the wrath of God, dispensed upon the whole world. And that starts immediately at the time that the Antichrist steps into the holy place and declares himself to be God. That immediately starts the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord, the time of God’s wrath.
The time of Jacob’s Trouble is also another name for this time period.
So, these signs that you’re talking about are those which those people who are inside the Tribulation time are going to see, and they’ll recognize them for what they are.
We haven’t seen anything even closely comparable to that which is to come inside that Tribulation time.
Note this paragraph, too...
That 1859 event electrified transmission cables, started fires in telegraph offices and produced Northern Lights bright enough to read a newspaper by. A recent report by by the National Academy of Sciences found that if such a storm occurred today, it could cause up to $2 trillion in damages to society’s high-tech infrastructure.
It’s not that stuff like this has never happened before. We can see that it has and probably several times over again. The problem for us today, even as we have not even approached the magnitude of the problem that happened in 1859, is that our society is a lot more sensitive to this kind of thing, in our equipment than we have been before. So, it’s not that it’s worse, but that we are more dependent upon our “equipment” and that equipment is a lot *less hardy* than it’s ever been before.
So, these “natural occurrences” have not been getting worse (at least not up to this date), but we are less able to withstand even a minor event without damage to our equipment.
But, for the events described in the Bible, those will be even more terrible than what has ever been seen before and they will be *real occurrences* of natural and super-natural events of far greater magnitude than has ever been seen before — and *not merely* more sensitive equipment that we have simply reacting to a minor event.
That time that it will be *dramatically worse* for real, in nature and with super-natural events, too — will be during the Tribulation time.
Talk about “great signs and wonders in the heavens”... if this happened today, it would be heralded as the coming of the Lord... LOL...
Now, I’m not disparaging the coming of the Lord, mind you, but how people grasp onto every event in the heavens as that sign, even things which are not even *closely* as dramatic as many things in the past.
The Leonid Meteor Shower of 1833 was one of those dramatic events that one would never forget, if you saw it today.
An account from 1833...
I at once sold my little farm in the neighborhood of Antioch, and, having disposed of what stock and stuff I could not take with me, on the 13th of November, 1833, I was ready to start upon the journey for our new home in the West. On the evening of the twelfth, many of our dear friends came into bid us adieu, and they remained until a very late hour, when, after a prayer, the most of them returned to their homes, a few remaining to see us off in the morning.
We had but little rest that night, for, before three o’clock in the morning, we were all aroused from our slumbers, making preparation for an early start. Some one, on looking out of the window, observed that it was almost broad daylight. “That can not be,” another answered, “For it is scarcely three o’clock.” “I can’t help what the clock says,” replied the first speaker, “my eyes can not deceive me; it is almost broad daylight —look for yourselves.”
After this little altercation, some one went to the door for the purpose of settling the question. Fortunately, there was not a cloud in the heavens; so by a glance, all was settled. I heard one of the children cry out, in a voice expressive of alarm: “Come to the door, father, the world is surely coming to an end.” Another exclaimed: “See! The whole heavens are on fire! All the stars are falling!” These cries brought us all into the open yard, to gaze upon the grandest and most beautiful scene my eyes have ever beheld. It did appear as if every star had left its moorings, and was drifting rapidly in a westerly direction, leaving behind a track of light which remained visible for several seconds.
Some of those wandering stars seemed as large as the full moon, or nearly so, and in some cases they appeared to dash at a rapid rate across the general course of the main body of meteors, leaving in their track a bluish light, which gathered into a thin cloud not unlike a puff of smoke from a tobacco-pipe. Some of the meteors were so bright that they were visible for some time after day had fairly dawned. Imagine large snowflakes drifting over your head, so near you that you can distinguish them, one from the other, and yet so thick in the air as to almost obscure the sky; then imagine each snowflake to be a meteor, leaving behind it a tail like a little comet; these meteors of all sizes, from that of a drop of water to that of a great star, having the size of the full moon in appearance: and you may then have some faint idea of this wonderful scene.
[ http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast22jun99_2.htm ]
People thought, when they saw this, that the world was truly *ending* before their very eyes. Nothing like it has ever been seen, since that time to now...
There were *thousands* of meteors, lighting up the sky — every 60 seconds — literally *thousands*..., which turned night-time into day-time...
Just for sake of getting an idea how many meteors that is, take 1,000 (for a low number) and divide by 60..., you get about 17 meteors *per second* across the sky, and that’s just for 1,000 per minute. And it was described as “thousands per minute”.
So I would say that you’re talking, at least about 35 meteors per second, across the sky, every second for four hours straight. And remember, there’s “lag time” in a meteor to streak across the sky and dissipate, so another 35 are coming in the next second and another 35 are coming in the third second, and so on... continuously...
That’s an amazing sight...
Would that be called “signs and wonders in the heavens”?
You said — One difference between seeing the Aurora in the Arctic, vs. in the south — the further north you are, the higher up the lights are. In the Arctic, the lights often resemble glowing curtains hanging from the heavens; and they wave, dance, and change colours all the time. No matter how much I saw them, they always inspired awe.
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I saw the Aurora Borealis only once in my life, and that was in Portland, Oregon. Portland is just a fraction of a degree off the 45th Parallel, so it’s half-way between the equator and the North Pole.
Now, I had seen pictures in books and had a rough idea of what it was like, but when I first saw it one night in Portland — at first I was puzzling as to what was going on in the sky. The first second or so, I thought something was actually wrong with my eyes (really, I did... LOL...).
Then when I blinked a time or two, I suddenly realized (it just “came to me”) that this was the Aurora Borealis. It was like sheer curtains of many colors, the colors shifting and shimmering and waving about, here and there, first fast and then slow and then back in another direction.
It was amazing...
So, I was glad to see that, at least one time in my life... :-)
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I note your FReeper name, and so I guess that means you’re in Victoria, BC.. That’s a great little town and I’ve been there many times, and have even stayed in the Empress Hotel (I noticed it’s called the Fairmont Empress Hotel now... hmmm...). I’ve been all over Victoria, visiting here and there, and also all over BC, too... :-)
It’s a great place...
so if the last one ended in 1928, did it have any relation to the droughts that resulted in the dust bowl situation? if so can we expect something similar during or at the end of this cycle?
Aaaaaaauuuuugh!!! RUN!!!!!
The Aurora is one of nature’s wonders and delights. Maybe we’ll all be seeing more of them.
Thanks for the nice words about B.C. Oregon is a great place too.
Another good editorial on sun’s impact on climate:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175&kw=sunspots
“THE SUN ALSO SETS”
The SUN seems to be stting way north IMO...
Who knows?
Mid continental temperatures are well below normal this summer (North Dakota is the center of North America), while coastal temps (influenced by ocean currnts) are above normal. We're expecting another cold winter with heavy snowfall. Last year set a few new records here.
Just in time for cap and trade...
bttt
Um, UV is not the only form of radiation produced by the sun.
I am afraid that this story is old news now. Hathaway, who was one of the lead NASA/NOAA scientists expecting higher valued predictions, has finally seen fit to recognize that ol’ Sol may indeed be on the cusp of a “minimum” of some type. Since many solar physicists have been predicting that for a decade or so, it is about time.
As far as any type of major solar storm: there is no scientifically valid reason to believe that the likelihood of an X100 solar storm would have a higher probability of occurring during a low solar cycle than a higher one.
what really bugs me about this statement is that NASA has nearly nothing to do with “detecting” these radio emissions. Canada is the primary observer of 10.7 radio emissions.
Obama inherited a bad Sun
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