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Air France jet 'may have exploded mid-air'
9 News ^ | Thu Jun 4 2009 | AFP

Posted on 06/03/2009 8:46:46 PM PDT by fortress

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To: 2CAVTrooper
Now the weather from the night in question is in doubt:

Air France 447 - Casting doubt on weather as culprit

And the debris they recovered isn't from AF447:

Debris found in Atlantic is NOT from jet say red-faced investigators...

So they got the weather conditions wrong and they misidentified the debris. They have nothing. Absolutely nothing. But they know it's not terrorism.

I feel like I've been transported back to the summer of 1996.

341 posted on 06/05/2009 1:34:54 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

Because both are the same. Gee how could I POSSIBLY miss that one.


342 posted on 06/05/2009 4:46:34 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Fides et Audax)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I know.

I find it odd that everybody has ruled out terrorism as a cause because some muzzie group hasn't gloated about it yet.

Terrorism isn't just a muzzie thing to begin with. There is a possibility of narco-terrorism, rebel factions in South America, eco-terrorism, industrial sabotage, etc. It may be terrorism, it may have been a mid air collision with another aircraft, it may have been a one in one trillion chance of a meteorite hitting it, could have been a fire, a chemical leak, who knows, and until conclusive evidence is presented, everything should be on the table.

343 posted on 06/05/2009 5:39:57 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (If a muslim terrorist contracts swine flu, does he still get his 72 virgins?)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
Seems to happen to boeings too:

Never said it didn't or couldn't. I just said I bet Airbus is sweating, which I would be doing too.

344 posted on 06/05/2009 5:40:44 PM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: SteamShovel
It wouldn't be Airbus that's sweating.

It's the sub-contractor who built the unit, or the Air France maintenance tech who pencil whipped the last test or calibration of the unit.

345 posted on 06/05/2009 5:45:26 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (If a muslim terrorist contracts swine flu, does he still get his 72 virgins?)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
wind shear (winds from 2 different directions, or same direction but different speeds)

Thanks for the information.

Actually I know what shear is, I'm a Mechanical Engineer and am familiar with shear stress, which is essentially the same thing you described above as wind shear.

I asked the question about Hurricane shear rhetorically because the person I asked said there was no shear in Hurricanes...

346 posted on 06/05/2009 5:49:31 PM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: MikefromOhio

So you’d like a better example? Glad you asked.

How about the coordinated bombings in Jaipur, India a year ago. Seven coordinated bombs within a twelve minute span — 80 killed, 150 injured. Going on thirteen months... still no claim of responsibility.

On the flip side, three calls of responsibility were made immediately after Pan Am 103 was bombed out of the sky. All three claims were bogus.

Investigating claims in one thing. Relying on them to determine whether or not there’s been a terror attack is a fool’s game.

Rely on the evidence. As of this moment, we have none. You’d have to oblivious to the world around you to rule out the possibility of terrorism before the evidence is in.


347 posted on 06/05/2009 6:04:44 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: SteamShovel
Yeah, he was pretty adamant about it wasn't he?
348 posted on 06/05/2009 6:07:09 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (If a muslim terrorist contracts swine flu, does he still get his 72 virgins?)
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To: 2CAVTrooper
It's always been this way. There's always a committed group shouting down the possibility of terrorism whenever there's an incident.

I remember the DC Sniper threads back in 2002. You heard the same kind of things... can't be terrorism... no claims of responsibilty... they're not targeting Jews... a terrorist wouldn't do this, a terrorist would do that. It was like Manhunter, everybody was in the mind of the terrorist, they knew what made him tick. And shooting people outside of arts & crafts stores wasn't it.

Turns out they were all wrong. It was a terrorist. A muslim terrorist. So much for all those FBI profiling careers.

Same thing here. These guys ruling out terrorism is just as foolish as if we were ruling out pilot error or natural disaster. This could be anything... we don't know. There's no basis to rule anything out unless you have some indication of what to rule in. Nobody has any indication of any cause. And their story's changing by the hour.

You mention narco-terrorists. One of my big concerns is that the islamists and the traffickers are going to join forces down there. Having Hizballah and Qaeda rubbing elbows with the traffickers and FARC in the Tri-Border region is bad, bad news.

349 posted on 06/05/2009 6:31:24 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

I do not thik the investigators know what happened.


350 posted on 06/05/2009 8:42:22 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten"-Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I do not think you read the article:

France's defense minister and the Pentagon have said there were no signs that terrorism was involved. Brazil's defense minister said the possibility was never considered.
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, speaking Thursday in Rio de Janeiro where he attended a Mass honoring the crash victims, said experts had not found signs that would back up a "terrorism theory."
351 posted on 06/05/2009 9:40:45 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten"-Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Actually, I did read the article. The have no signs that would back up any theory, hence, they cannot rule out any other theory. They have no idea. Or if they do, they’re not saying what it is.

The fact that they keep singling out terrorism as the one thing they have no evidence of, when they have no evidence of any other cause either, suggests they may be protesting too much.


352 posted on 06/05/2009 10:05:16 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

We both agree. What is needed is to find a submersible to retrive the flight and voice data recorder. That will finally put an end to the speculations.


353 posted on 06/05/2009 11:26:00 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld (The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten"-Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

“If it’s not Boeing, I ain’t going.”

It’s still hard to beat a 747. I’ve been around the world on ‘em - even flown several thousand miles once on 3 engines. And what else has the beef to piggy back the Shuttle?


354 posted on 06/06/2009 5:05:41 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Rely on the evidence. As of this moment, we have none. You’d have to oblivious to the world around you to rule out the possibility of terrorism before the evidence is in.

And likewise, look at the thread and each and every one of you claiming it's a Jihadist nightmare is doing the EXACT same thing. You know what happens when you ASSume right? Some terrorist plots are very obvious. Way to go for the obvious ones to make your point when you have NO evidence in this case that it was a bomb other than a "feeling".
355 posted on 06/06/2009 8:21:27 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Fides et Audax)
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To: MikefromOhio
you claiming it's a Jihadist nightmare

You forget how to read during your hiatus? I didn't claim any such thing. Stop acting like a troll and argue against points that were actually made.

Or don't. Either way doesn't make much difference to me.

356 posted on 06/06/2009 8:37:29 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: fortress

ping for later


357 posted on 06/08/2009 3:58:53 PM PDT by schu
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To: MikefromOhio

“And likewise, look at the thread and each and every one of you claiming it’s a Jihadist nightmare is doing the EXACT same thing. You know what happens when you ASSume right? Some terrorist plots are very obvious. Way to go for the obvious ones to make your point when you have NO evidence in this case that it was a bomb other than a “feeling”.”

Like you and the others should talk.

I for one, am keeping everything including TERRORISM on the table and as I stated before there are other forms of terorism that doesn’t include achmed the camel jockey blowing himself up.


358 posted on 06/09/2009 10:11:11 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (If a muslim terrorist contracts swine flu, does he still get his 72 virgins?)
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To: fortress

Were there any Amish sightings out on those waters?


359 posted on 06/09/2009 10:14:02 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: tflabo

If the “plane” sent 3 minutes worth of distress signals automatically, it indicates that the plane was flying for 3 minutes after some kind of catastrophic failure.

Years ago there were heated discussions on this forum about the composite materials and structural design of Airbus planes. Some pilot freepers thought the Airbus was inherently inflexible and therefor dangerous. I am not in a position to verify the truth of those ideas, I just remember the conversations. Sure would be interesting to be able to find them and see whether this kind of thing was predicted — has any passenger jet ever “broken up” due to turbulence before?


360 posted on 06/12/2009 11:42:28 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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