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Lone Wolf Lessons (jihadists -also notes FBI told to "back off" black Muslim converts)
Stratfor Global Intelligence ^ | 6-3-09 | Scott Stewart, Fred Burton

Posted on 06/04/2009 12:28:10 AM PDT by STARWISE

At approximately 10:30 a.m. on June 1, as two young U.S. soldiers stood in front of the Army Navy Career Center in west Little Rock, Ark., a black pickup pulled in front of the office and the driver opened fire on the two, killing one and critically wounding the other.

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According to police, the suspect told the arresting officers that he had a bomb in his vehicle, but after an inspection by the police bomb squad, the only weapons police recovered from the vehicle were an SKS rifle and two pistols.

*snip*

Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts.

At this point, it is unclear to us if that guidance was given by the White House or the Department of Justice, or if it was promulgated by the agencies themselves, anticipating the wishes of President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder.

(Excerpt) Read more at stratfor.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
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In light of this institutional culture, and the order to be careful in investigations relating to Black Muslim converts, it would not be at all surprising to us if a supervisor refused to authorize a full-field investigation of Muhammad that would have included surveillance of his activities.

*snip*

We will be watching with interest to see what really transpired. The details will be extremely interesting, especially coming at a time when the Obama administration appears to be following the Clinton-era policy of stressing the primacy of the FBI and the law enforcement aspect of counterterrorism policy at the expense of intelligence and other elements.

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Dear Lord .. Jamie Gorelick must be a stealth admin operative. Here we go again .. inviting an attack. Prayers for protection.

1 posted on 06/04/2009 12:28:11 AM PDT by STARWISE
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To: penelopesire; BulletBobCo; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; ...

~~PING!


2 posted on 06/04/2009 12:33:07 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE
Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts.

Who else could issue such a directive other than the AG or the White House?

3 posted on 06/04/2009 12:40:09 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Rummyfan

No one that I know.
Unbelievable .. and just after
a couple of homegrown cells
activated.


4 posted on 06/04/2009 12:46:36 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: STARWISE

WP Article from August 20, 2005:

Mueller (FBI director Robert S. Mueller III)recently told Congress that one area of the war on terrorism that causes him great concern is the potential for extremist groups such as al Qaeda to recruit radicalized American Muslim converts. Mueller drew a bead on the American prison system, which he described in written testimony as “fertile ground for extremists who exploit both a prisoner’s conversion to Islam while still in prison, as well as their socioeconomic status and placement in the community upon their release.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/19/AR2005081901460.html

This new era of hope and change really stinks!


5 posted on 06/04/2009 12:50:17 AM PDT by appleseed
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To: STARWISE

Since we the people pay the salaries of Obama and Holder as well as the other government agencies including local; then it would be up to us regarding what to do.


6 posted on 06/04/2009 1:03:54 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Jim Robinson; glock rocks; NormsRevenge; Syncro

Pings, guys...


7 posted on 06/04/2009 1:13:45 AM PDT by Brad's Gramma (BG x 2)
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To: appleseed

WND article from May 21, 2007:

Al-Qaida is aggressively recruiting black Americans for suicide operations against the homeland, say FBI analysts who have reviewed recent videotaped messages from the terror group’s leaders.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55796

2006 FBI Director included black muslim converts in the war on terror. 2007 FBI says black muslims being recruited for suicide missions. Now Hussein is telling them to back off? This IS freakin unbelieveable!


8 posted on 06/04/2009 1:22:34 AM PDT by appleseed
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To: STARWISE

It wouldn’t matter if the FBI did arrest them for some crime. Holder would just drop the charges. The FBI should be concentrating on White Muslim converts. I’m thinking not only would they get the go ahead from the Attorney General, but Sottomayor would uphold any conviction.


9 posted on 06/04/2009 1:24:18 AM PDT by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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To: appleseed
This new era of hope and change really stinks!

For you and me, perhaps. For a Marxist Mohammedan, it smells like the first time they were ever proud of Amerikkka.

10 posted on 06/04/2009 1:29:57 AM PDT by magslinger (The first dog has papers but the President doesn't. How interesting!-cubsfanconswoman)
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To: STARWISE

Goes right along with dropping the charges on the New Black Panthers.


11 posted on 06/04/2009 3:02:43 AM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: STARWISE

I am sure that the liberal media is going to cover this story in detail.


12 posted on 06/04/2009 3:47:02 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: visualops
How many more citizens will be taking dirt naps before the anointed one and his minions figure out that we have got a real problem on our hands. This story is truly unbelievable! Here you've got a scumbag who converts to the religion of peace, changes his name to mujahdi, is caught in the peaceful paradise of Yemen with a Somali passport, and he's not being watched like a hawk because the FBI was told to “back off” black muslims!? Somebody within Congress needs to get on this like stink on s*it and get some answers quick!
13 posted on 06/04/2009 4:24:54 AM PDT by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: STARWISE
Thanks for the ping!

This does not surprise me when Obama has said America is a Muslim country! If true the FBI was told to “back off” one does not have to be too bright to figure out where the order came from!

I believe it is up to us who know the truth about what is happening to our Constitutional Republic to educate the American public who are clueless! That is the only way we will win against the Socialist/Communist/Marxist/Fascists who are bent on destroying America.

We all have to get involved and do whatever we can where ever we are. Those of us going to Washington, DC in September are going to make our fellow Americans take notice and hopefully they will wake up to what is happening to the the country we all love! Please join us if you can!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2258633/posts?page=285#285

14 posted on 06/04/2009 4:59:04 AM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: visualops

The Black Panthers will be the core of the Civilian Defense Corps (ie, 0bama’s Brownshirts & Secret Police).


15 posted on 06/04/2009 5:04:09 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: STARWISE; ~Kim4VRWC's~; CheneyChick; PhiKapMom

Hope FOX will investigate and report on this aspect too.


16 posted on 06/04/2009 5:19:44 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Hey hey! Ho ho! Where's your Birth Certificate/ We've a right to know!)
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To: nutmeg; potlatch; Alamo-Girl

THought you might be interested in this thread.


17 posted on 06/04/2009 5:23:26 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Hey hey! Ho ho! Where's your Birth Certificate/ We've a right to know!)
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To: hoosiermama

I have a sick feeling that more and more Americans are going to finally realize how safe the Bush/Cheney administration kept us for so many years.


18 posted on 06/04/2009 7:17:38 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: STARWISE

Whoa...

I surely hope O’Reilly gets this guy on his show STAT- he often has the guys from Strafor on to discuss security.


19 posted on 06/04/2009 7:20:00 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: hoosiermama

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 06/04/2009 8:01:13 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: STARWISE

“...especially coming at a time when the Obama administration appears to be following the Clinton-era policy of stressing the primacy of the FBI and the law enforcement aspect of counterterrorism policy at the expense of intelligence and other elements. “

Especially coming at a time when...more and more efforts
are being made to tie “white militia/rightwing radicals
to terrorism.

Coincidence? I think not.


21 posted on 06/04/2009 8:23:02 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: hoosiermama; STARWISE

I agree, someone needs to do an investigation. This is just beyond what I would have expected and I wouldn’t be surprised if it were true! How in the world can the fbi support and defend the constitution, protect the citizens from terrorists (homegrown and foreign)if they are told to BACK OFF? Why would they “back off”?

There is nothing logical about this....


22 posted on 06/04/2009 9:02:36 AM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: STARWISE
Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts.

Yep - it was important to push the FBI into investigating Americans who happen to be conservative. Those Republicans - the party of Abraham Lincoln - those grandparents - the ones who believe in things like the Constitution - they're the problem. /s

23 posted on 06/04/2009 9:07:11 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: STARWISE
It's WRONG

when the power of the state

the FBI -

is used to go after the political enemies

of the party in power.

WRONG

AGAINST THE

LAW.

24 posted on 06/04/2009 9:10:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: GOPJ

But, historically, that’s what leftist/collectivists ALWAYS do -

use the power of the state to punish/kill their political opponents.


25 posted on 06/04/2009 9:12:20 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Something logical: bHo did not want anything to come out while he was in contact with the muslin world....Even the delay of a response to Long's murder would fit into this pattern.....He wants it to appear there is no problem in the USA with the Muslims....we all get along....NOT
26 posted on 06/04/2009 9:14:49 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Hey hey! Ho ho! Where's your Birth Certificate/ We've a right to know!)
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To: hoosiermama; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; ...
Excerpt:

...Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts.

At this point, it is unclear to us if that guidance was given by the White House or the Department of Justice, or if it was promulgated by the agencies themselves, anticipating the wishes of President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder...

Thanks for the heads up on this one, hoosiermama!

27 posted on 06/04/2009 9:21:09 AM PDT by nutmeg (DemocRATs: The party of tax cheats and other assorted crooks)
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To: STARWISE

Given that they already knew this guy had been arrested in Yemen for using a Somali passport, why in the heck would they not watch him, if not for some “hands off” policy from on high?


28 posted on 06/04/2009 9:22:15 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Makes yer head spin.


29 posted on 06/04/2009 9:22:54 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: GOPJ

I wonder how long Mueller is going to stand for this.


30 posted on 06/04/2009 9:23:37 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks for the ping....bump!


31 posted on 06/04/2009 9:29:12 AM PDT by ~Kim4VRWC's~ (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to "back off" of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts. At this point, it is unclear to us if that guidance was given by the White House or the Department of Justice, or if it was promulgated by the agencies themselves, anticipating the wishes of President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder.
Welcome to Detroit, everyone!
32 posted on 06/04/2009 9:38:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: STARWISE

“Dear Lord .. Jamie Gorelick must be a stealth admin operative. Here we go again .. inviting an attack. Prayers for protection.” ~ STARWISE

WSJ
Gorelick’s Wall
The Commissioner belongs in the witness chair.
Thursday, April 15, 2004 12:01 A.M. EDT
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110004956

We predicted Democrats would use the 9/11 Commission for partisan purposes, and that much of the press would oblige. But color us astonished that barely anyone appreciates the significance of the bombshell Attorney General John Ashcroft dropped on the hearings Tuesday. If Jamie Gorelick were a Republican, you can be sure our colleagues in the Fourth Estate would be leading the chorus of complaint that the Commission’s objectivity has been fatally compromised by a member who was also one of the key personalities behind the failed antiterror policy that the Commission has under scrutiny. Where’s the outrage?

At issue is the pre-Patriot Act “wall” that prevented communication between intelligence agents and criminal investigators—a wall, Mr. Ashcroft said, that meant “the old national intelligence system in place on September 11 was destined to fail.” The Attorney General explained:

“In the days before September 11, the wall specifically impeded the investigation into Zacarias Moussaoui, Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi. After the FBI arrested Moussaoui, agents became suspicious of his interest in commercial aircraft and sought approval for a criminal warrant to search his computer. The warrant was rejected because FBI officials feared breaching the wall.

“When the CIA finally told the FBI that al-Midhar and al-Hazmi were in the country in late August, agents in New York searched for the suspects. But because of the wall, FBI headquarters refused to allow criminal investigators who knew the most about the most recent al Qaeda attack to join the hunt for the suspected terrorists.

“At that time, a frustrated FBI investigator wrote headquarters, quote, ‘Whatever has happened to this—someday someone will die—and wall or not—the public will not understand why we were not more effective and throwing every resource we had at certain ‘problems.’ “

What’s more, Mr. Ashcroft noted, the wall did not mysteriously arise: “Someone built this wall.” That someone was largely the Democrats, who enshrined Vietnam-era paranoia about alleged FBI domestic spying abuses by enacting the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

Mr. Ashcroft pointed out that the wall was raised even higher in the mid-1990s, in the midst of what was then one of the most important antiterror investigations in American history—into the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. On Tuesday the Attorney General declassified and read from a March 4, 1995, memo in which Jamie Gorelick—then Deputy Attorney General and now 9/11 Commissioner—instructed then-FBI Director Louis Freeh and United States Attorney Mary Jo White that for the sake of “appearances” they would be required to adhere to an interpretation of the wall far stricter than the law required.

Ms. White was then the lead prosecutor in cases related to the Trade Center bombing. Ms. Gorelick explicitly references United States v. Yousef and United States v. Rahman—cases that might have greatly expanded our pre-9/11 understanding of al Qaeda had investigators been given a freer hand. The memo is a clear indication that there was pressure then for more intelligence sharing. Ms. Gorelick’s response is an unequivocal “no”:

“We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will more clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation” (emphases added).

In case anyone was in doubt, Janet Reno herself affirmed the policy several months later in a July 19, 1995, memo that we have unearthed. In it, the then-Attorney General instructs all U.S. Attorneys about avoiding “the appearance” of overlap between intelligence-related activities and law-enforcement operations.

Recall, too, that during the time of Ms. Gorelick’s 1995 memo, the issue causing the most tension between the Reno-Gorelick Justice Department and Director Freeh’s FBI was not counterterrorism but widely reported allegations of contributions to the Clinton-Gore campaign from foreign sources, involving the likes of John Huang and Charlie Trie. Mr. Trie later told investigators that between 1994 and 1996 he raised some $1.2 million, much of it from foreign sources, whose identities were hidden by straw donors. Ms. Gorelick resigned as deputy attorney general in 1997 to become vice chairman of Fannie Mae.

From any reasonably objective point of view, the Gorelick memo has to count as by far the biggest news so far out of the 9/11 hearings. The Mary Jo White prosecutions and the 2001 Moussaoui arrest were among our best chances to uncover and unravel the al Qaeda network before it struck the homeland. But thanks in part to the Clinton Administration’s concern with appearances and in part to its legacy, these investigations were hamstrung.

Ms. Gorelick—an aspirant to Attorney General under a President Kerry—now sits in judgment of the current Administration. This is what, if the principle has any meaning at all, people call a conflict of interest. Henry Kissinger was hounded off the Commission for far less. It’s such a big conflict of interest that the White House could hardly be blamed if it decided to cease cooperation with the 9/11 Commission pending Ms. Gorelick’s resignation and her testimony under oath as a witness into the mind of the Reno Justice Department. What exactly was the purpose of the wall?


33 posted on 06/04/2009 9:38:33 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: STARWISE
Prior to earning his law degree, Mueller joined the United States Marine Corps, where he served as an officer for three years, leading a rifle platoon of the 3rd Marine Division during the Vietnam War. He is a recipient of the Bronze Star, two Navy Commendation Medals, the Purple Heart and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry. - - Wikipedia

Mueller will weight all the options He has more facts than we have, more power - and more constraints. That said, I believe he'll make his choice based on the law and what's best for the safety of this country.

34 posted on 06/04/2009 9:44:28 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: Matchett-PI
If Jamie Gorelick were a Republican, you can be sure our colleagues in the Fourth Estate would be leading the chorus of complaint that the Commission’s objectivity has been fatally compromised by a member who was also one of the key personalities behind the failed antiterror policy that the Commission has under scrutiny. Where’s the outrage?

The Washington Post is making an attempt to be more "objective" - we'll see if they'll look at this. In the meantime: Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.

35 posted on 06/04/2009 9:51:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: visualops

“Goes right along with dropping the charges on the New Black Panthers.” ~ visualops

And other lawless factions / criminal element - all members of which vote for and support DemocRATS:

“Obama has indicated willingness to end federal oversight of the Teamsters [& gets Hoffa endorsement]” ~ Robert Novak 2/23/08 [Crumbling Ohio Firewall]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1974928/posts

Obama Signals Less Union Oversight
by Robert B. Bluey (more by this author)
Posted 05/09/2008 ET
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?print=yes&id=26440

The Labor Department’s seven-year effort to improve financial reporting and disclosure by unions could come to a screeching halt once President Bush leaves office.

Sen. Barack Obama’s support for ending federal oversight of the Teamsters is the clearest indication yet of how a Democratic administration would treat labor unions.

Both Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton wooed the Teamsters in hopes of securing its coveted endorsement.

But only Obama went so far as to say that government oversight had “run its course.”

The union endorsed Obama in February.

Since then, Obama’s ties to Teamsters President James P. Hoffa have grown stronger. Hoffa has traveled with Obama on the campaign trail and acted as a surrogate on trade issues for the candidate.

History of Corruption

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters has a history of corruption problems dating back to 1959, when the Landrum-Griffith Act created many of the financial reporting and disclosure requirements in law today.

Within years of the act’s passage, Hoffa’s father was sparring with then-U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy over union corruption.

But it wasn’t until 1992 that the Department of Justice took the unprecedented step of creating a three-member independent review board to help the Teamsters root out its mob influence.

When the younger Hoffa became president in 1999, he made it a priority to end the government’s oversight.

The Wall Street Journal, which first reported Obama’s promise to the Teamsters, notes that the review board’s caseload has declined over the years. Still, many problems remain with local Teamsters outfits, according to the Labor Department’s union enforcement agency.

In the last seven years, the Office of Labor-Management Standards has secured more than 30 convictions of Teamsters officials for crimes ranging from embezzlement and wire fraud to theft and falsifying union records.

Two former officers of Teamsters Local 743 in Illinois were convicted in March as part of a 14-count criminal complaint alleging conspiracy, mail fraud, theft and embezzlement. Another conviction in April involved a former bookkeeper charged with embezzling $140,000 from Houston’s Teamsters Local 19.

Increased Enforcement

These types of cases aren’t limited to the Teamsters.

The Labor Department’s enforcement agency has secured 900 indictments and successfully prosecuted more than 850 individuals since 2001. During that time the office has a recouped more than $103 million for American workers.

This wasn’t always the case. The number of employees working for the Office of Labor-Management Standards fell from 392 in 1992 to just 260 in 2002 after years of cuts by the Clinton administration. Fewer employees meant fewer audits — forcing the office to rely more heavily on unions to police themselves.

Since taking office, Bush has restored many of the positions cut under Clinton to boost auditing and enforcement. As of 2006, there were 384 employees working for the office.

The lean Clinton years could return, however.

While other offices at Labor last year reaped budget increases from the Democratic-controlled Congress, the enforcement office saw its budget cut by $3 million.

And that wasn’t all. Congressional leaders and their Big Labor allies also tried to water down financial reporting requirements. A dispute arose last year over the revised LM-30 form that requires union bosses to “disclose possible conflicts between personal interests and the officer’s or employee’s duty to the union and its members.”

The Labor Department revised the rule to give the union rank-and-file more information about how their dues were spent. But union leaders such as John Sweeney of the AFL-CIO denounced the new reporting requirements as a “debilitating burden.”

With promises from Obama to ease union oversight, and endorsements from congressional Democrats for the Employee Free Choice Act (H.R. 800), better known as the card check bill, Big Labor is salivating at the prospect of a return to “one-party government” in Washington next year.

Mr. Bluey, a contributing editor to Human Events, is director of the Center for Media & Public Policy at The Heritage Foundation. He maintains a blog at RobertBluey.com.


36 posted on 06/04/2009 9:52:44 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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37 posted on 06/04/2009 9:53:03 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: STARWISE
Several weeks ago, STRATFOR heard from sources that the FBI and other law enforcement organizations had been ordered to “back off” of counterterrorism investigations into the activities of Black Muslim converts.

Hm. Bad news, if true. But I'd want independent confirmation of this before I take it too seriously.

Appeals to "sources" are untrustworthy in any event, especially when they're so ... timely. And Strafor "went sensational" several years ago, so I'm not sure that we can trust what they're saying, either.

38 posted on 06/04/2009 9:56:50 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Thanks for the cautionary note.


39 posted on 06/04/2009 9:57:25 AM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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To: Rummyfan
Who else could issue such a directive other than the AG or the White House?

Assuming that Stratfor or it's "sources" aren't just making it up, you mean?

40 posted on 06/04/2009 9:57:54 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: El Gato
Given that they already knew this guy had been arrested in Yemen for using a Somali passport, why in the heck would they not watch him, if not for some “hands off” policy from on high?

That's not too hard to explain on much simpler, more mundane grounds.

It's very unlikely that the FBI has sufficient resources to maintain a fool-proof 24/7 tail on everybody who might commit an act such as this. They can try to do their best, but they're unlikely ever to be able to track these guys all the time. Some of them are going to get through, as this guy did.

A more interesting question, to which we'll never get the answer, is how many the FBI has prevented from doing this sort of thing.

That would be the more interesting and useful statistic.

41 posted on 06/04/2009 10:03:07 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: STARWISE

bttt


42 posted on 06/04/2009 1:57:57 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: hoosiermama

Thank you much for the ping, I just came on today - late!


43 posted on 06/04/2009 5:11:26 PM PDT by potlatch ( When You Change The Way You Look At Things - The Things You Look At Change)
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To: seekthetruth
Those of us going to Washington, DC in September are going to make our fellow Americans take notice and hopefully they will wake up to what is happening to the the country we all love!

I'll be there in Sept, but for gosh sakes, I think we need to go much, much earlier then that. We are nearing the Tipping Point!

44 posted on 06/04/2009 5:23:11 PM PDT by IrishPennant (RLT = Radical Left Terrorism...feel it????)
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To: IrishPennant
Glad to hear you are going to be there! Are you joining us at the “Freeper” hotel and Freeper Convention/Banquet? If so, you are already on Brytani’s attendee list and we will see you there! Going to be an awesome Freeper Convention!
45 posted on 06/04/2009 5:52:36 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: seekthetruth
No..none of that. I need info. I left Metro DC almost 2 years ago after being born, raised and residing there for 46 years of my life, including a history of Fed Gov employment. I have friends and family there so I thought nothing of making logistical plans and thought as it got closer I would evolve myself into FReeper happenings.

On the vain side, I have only been a registered FReeper since Nov 08...but lurker since 01. I wasn't sure if I would be accepted into hard core FReeper plans yet. If so, I respectfully want full FReeper involvement.

46 posted on 06/04/2009 6:11:35 PM PDT by IrishPennant (RLT = Radical Left Terrorism...feel it????)
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To: Fred Nerks

ping


47 posted on 06/04/2009 6:52:01 PM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: Fred Nerks

ping


48 posted on 06/04/2009 6:52:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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To: GOPJ

thanks for the ping, you gotta remember that we mustn’t upset the muslims, or they’ll burn our cars and smash our windows and create mayhem in the streets...and we wouldn’t want a riot a la belle france, now would we?

sarc.


49 posted on 06/04/2009 7:28:49 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: IrishPennant
Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart.

Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: “For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor”.

Great "home page" - too bad our "union" teachers don't bother to teach history this way...

50 posted on 06/04/2009 7:42:45 PM PDT by GOPJ (Fight the Machine - STOP supporting the MSM.)
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