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Bureaucrat scuffs dream of homeless shoe shiner
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 6/4/09 | C.W. Nevius

Posted on 06/04/2009 10:30:00 AM PDT by GSWarrior

He sleeps under a bridge, washes in a public bathroom and was panhandling for booze money 11 months ago, but now Larry Moore is the best-dressed shoeshine man in the city. When he gets up from his cardboard mattress, he puts on a coat and tie. It's a reminder of how he has turned things around.

In fact, until last week it looked like Moore was going to have saved enough money to rent a room and get off the street for the first time in six years. But then, in a breathtakingly clueless move, an official for the Department of Public Works told Moore that he has to fork over the money he saved for his first month's rent to purchase a $491 sidewalk vendor permit.

Nothing happens when mentally ill men wander the street talking to themselves and drunkards pee in the alleys. Yet Moore creates a little business out of thin air, builds up a client base, and the city takes nearly every penny he's earned.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: entrepreneurship; government; homeless
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1 posted on 06/04/2009 10:30:01 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

did he just become a Republican?


2 posted on 06/04/2009 10:32:55 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: GSWarrior

I can see a fee for the permit, but nearly $500? sheesh


3 posted on 06/04/2009 10:33:04 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: GSWarrior

For once the SF Liberal’s aim is on. Blind squirrel and all, I suppose.


4 posted on 06/04/2009 10:33:53 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GSWarrior

“In fact, until last week it looked like Moore was going to have saved enough money to rent a room and get off the street for the first time in six years. But then, in a breathtakingly clueless move, an official for the Department of Public Works told Moore that he has to fork over the money he saved for his first month’s rent to purchase a $491 sidewalk vendor permit.”

F these f’ers and the relentless taxes - good thing they got this guy’s “fee” - now he can be reassured that trying to make something of yourself in America is a waste of time...I know, he was trying to “work under the table” but , geeezzzzz...


5 posted on 06/04/2009 10:36:21 AM PDT by jessduntno (July 4th, 2009. Washington DC. Gadsden Flags. Be There.)
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To: GSWarrior
...he has to fork over the money he saved for his first month's rent to purchase a $491 sidewalk vendor permit.

You know they are not paying taxes, so I have no problem with this at all.

6 posted on 06/04/2009 10:37:33 AM PDT by ex91B10 (The only response now is mass resistance.)
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To: GSWarrior

The evil rich lawyers who are his clientele put together the money for his first month of rent. This is a great story he is doing soo well freeloaders are stealing his brushes (other panhandlers) and stealing 491$ (City Govt)...

Seriously I hope this guy makes a run in a big way, who knows how far back the bottle kept him if in less than a year he went from Drunk to self sustaining business man...


7 posted on 06/04/2009 10:38:00 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: GeronL

Seeing the word Republican almost makes me want to spit. We should be sure to differentiate between Beltway Republicans and real conservatives that are stuck in the GOP.


8 posted on 06/04/2009 10:38:58 AM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
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To: GSWarrior

And california is amazed that people are leaving the state?


9 posted on 06/04/2009 10:39:13 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: DonaldC

Of course I can see a fee for *a* permit, I can also see the City saying ‘hmmm do we want this guy panhandling or providing a service’.

They should have told him one he does not have to have a permit until his monthly income is *x* dollars for two months, and two for every panhandler he could set up on a different corner they would knock one hundred dollars off ;)


10 posted on 06/04/2009 10:40:13 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: ex91B10

I dont have a problem with it 90% of the time but this was obviously a case of stuck on stupid..


11 posted on 06/04/2009 10:41:16 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: ex91B10; SpinnerWebb
You know they are not paying taxes, so I have no problem with this at all.

.. and I wouldn't have any problem with you pulling your cranium out of your rectum ... but I don't expect it to happen anytime soon.

12 posted on 06/04/2009 10:41:19 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Clinton was our first black President ... Obama is our first French President.)
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To: GeronL
This, in a nutshell, is why California is bankrupt. The state needs to repeal regulations and the bureaucracies behind them until the budget balances. Then, only then, will the state be saved.
13 posted on 06/04/2009 10:41:45 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: GSWarrior

That is precisely what happened to ALL American industry. It will NEVER come back unless some very fundamental changes are made.


14 posted on 06/04/2009 10:42:34 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: GSWarrior

Put this in the same file as the article today about the $10 fee to ride a bicycle in Ithaca.


15 posted on 06/04/2009 10:44:12 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: GSWarrior

“Nothing happens when mentally ill men wander the street talking to themselves and drunkards pee in the alleys. Yet Moore creates a little business out of thin air, builds up a client base, and the city takes nearly every penny he’s earned.”

From each according to their ablity...


17 posted on 06/04/2009 10:45:55 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("Let 'em learn the hard way, 'cause teaching them is more trouble than they're worth,")
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To: GSWarrior

To fund the other homeless down the block who urinate while drinking their SSI payments...

What a f-ed up city, and I work here...


18 posted on 06/04/2009 10:46:28 AM PDT by wac3rd (80 Carter/Obama 08)
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To: GSWarrior

Maybe they could set up a way for people who wish to chip in to pay for this guy’s permit to do so. Nothing wrong with helping those who truly wish to help themselves.


19 posted on 06/04/2009 10:51:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (USM is Gator Bait! (Congrats to U-Dub!))
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To: Red in Blue PA

What? A $10 fee?


20 posted on 06/04/2009 10:53:36 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

Here is a perfect example of how ‘government’ can save money and increase service at the same time. If some office is tasked to issue permits, why cannot that office perform ALL the necessary functions in one place. If private industry can ‘work from home’ efficiently, why does this poor guy have to run from one building to another, joining endless lines in order to obey city hall, why are don’t they enable all functions for a process to be performed in one place? And as for the bureaucrat that can take to the streets in order to put the good word on him, but cannot tell him where to go - what office does she ‘work’ for (is there a special Department of Big Brother Enforcement?) and why has she not been fired for inability to complete her task?


21 posted on 06/04/2009 10:53:43 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
In fact, until last week it looked like Moore was going to have saved enough money to rent a room and get off the street for the first time in six years. But then, in a breathtakingly clueless move, an official for the Department of Public Works told Moore that he has to fork over the money he saved for his first month's rent to purchase a $491 sidewalk vendor permit. Nothing happens when mentally ill men wander the street talking to themselves and drunkards pee in the alleys. Yet Moore creates a little business out of thin air, builds up a client base, and the city takes nearly every penny he's earned.

22 posted on 06/04/2009 10:54:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: GSWarrior

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2264601/posts


23 posted on 06/04/2009 10:54:59 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: GSWarrior

Sorry, it was a $10 fine.


24 posted on 06/04/2009 10:55:39 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: ex91B10

You guys should get a room.


25 posted on 06/04/2009 10:59:02 AM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (She is our Joan of Arc and we are her Guardian Captains.)
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To: DonaldC

Why should anyone need a permit to shine someone else’s shoes?
Is it a highly technical endevour?
Is someone’s health at risk?
Does it infringe on a third person’s individual rights?
Does the Dept. of Permits need a permit?


26 posted on 06/04/2009 11:01:18 AM PDT by gigster
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To: GSWarrior

just big gubermint being “helpful”:

**Thousands lose jobs due to higher federal minimum wage**

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2251036/posts


27 posted on 06/04/2009 11:01:44 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: gigster

Money changes hands, I guess.


28 posted on 06/04/2009 11:05:45 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: BlazingArizona

BlazingArizona wrote:
This, in a nutshell, is why California is bankrupt.

..... financially, intellectually, and morally.


29 posted on 06/04/2009 11:15:26 AM PDT by Senator John Blutarski (The progress of government: republic, democracy, technocracy, bureaucracy, plutocracy, kleptocracy,)
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To: GSWarrior

Hey Moore: how does it feel to be “rich”? :)


30 posted on 06/04/2009 11:16:02 AM PDT by Tzimisce (Socialism is the worst kind of Pollution.)
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To: gigster
In a free society anything not expressly forbidden is permitted;in a non-free society anything not expressly permitted is forbidden.

It is all about control.

31 posted on 06/04/2009 11:18:11 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: ex91B10

FR is infested with Randian Internet Tough Guys.


32 posted on 06/04/2009 11:19:59 AM PDT by John Will
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To: GeronL
did he just become a Republican?

He just became a CONSERVATIVE!

33 posted on 06/04/2009 11:23:31 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Bon mots
That is precisely what happened to ALL American industry. It will NEVER come back unless some very fundamental changes are made.

BINGO! Try opening a manufacturing plant in the USA these days...

34 posted on 06/04/2009 11:24:44 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: gigster
Why should anyone need a permit to shine someone else’s shoes? Is it a highly technical endevour? Is someone’s health at risk? Does it infringe on a third person’s individual rights? Does the Dept. of Permits need a permit?

The same logic applies to cab drivers. What skill set needed there???

35 posted on 06/04/2009 11:25:56 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: BlazingArizona

Many cities in Califistan have unemployment above 15%


36 posted on 06/04/2009 11:27:22 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: gigster

“Does the Dept. of Permits need a permit?”

Yes the do. They get them at the Dept. of Redundancy Dept.


37 posted on 06/04/2009 11:29:51 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Please pass the duct tape.)
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To: April Lexington
BINGO! Try opening a manufacturing plant in the USA these days...

The politicians have removed the environment and conditions that were favorable for opening of factories in the USA. In their place, they have constructed a system that is more favorable to CLOSING factories and industries in America's cities.

Taxes, regulation, crime, poor urban education... why would you bother manufacturing anything in the USA at all? None of these jobs are coming back ever. They are gone forever.

The only hope is to put taxes and regulation back to where it was at the turn of the 19th-20th century. Let the producer produce uninhibited. Don't tax them. Kick the welfare scum out of the cities.

38 posted on 06/04/2009 11:33:21 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Bon mots
Funny, I was just discussing these same issues with John Galt over a martini last night!
39 posted on 06/04/2009 11:35:29 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: N3WBI3

Maybe he should leave America and make a living in China. I hear it’s easy to start a business in Taiwan too.

Never thouht I would write that.


40 posted on 06/04/2009 11:36:37 AM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: I am Richard Brandon
"If some office is tasked to issue permits, why cannot that office perform ALL the necessary functions in one place(?)"

Two words: Patronage Jobs

41 posted on 06/04/2009 11:41:19 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Drill Thrawl

Hey, I worked there once, once!

It reminds me of the Terry Gilliam movie “Brazil”.


42 posted on 06/04/2009 11:42:58 AM PDT by gigster
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To: gigster

“Hey, I worked there once, once!

It reminds me of the Terry Gilliam movie “Brazil”.”

Mistakes? We don’t make mistakes.


43 posted on 06/04/2009 11:48:48 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Please pass the duct tape.)
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To: April Lexington
Funny, I was just discussing these same issues with John Galt over a martini last night!

Look at the state I fled years ago, Connecticut.
If you wanted to put up a small factory in, say, Hartford. You would immediately owe the tax collector a sizeable ransom before you ever made your first dime.

Illustration:
Say I want to put up a small factory - total assets of about $10million. This is not a huge factory and could easily fit on the plot of land of about four residential homes in a city like Hartford.

The "mill rate" in Hartford is: 64.8200

That means, that the first guy through my door of my shiny new $10,000,000.00 factory is the tax collector with a bill for some $640,820.00.

I don't know about you, but you have to stay up pretty late at night to figure out a way to make an extra $640k just to hand it over to the tax thieves in city hall to squander on welfare votes.

Now, my factory was going to produce blue jeans.
About 2 million pairs per year.

A 40 foot shipping container will hold 40,000 pairs of blue jeans. To ship it from anywhere in the world to Connecticut costs $5,500.
So this means that I can fit all of my production into 50 shipping containers. The total shipping costs would be $275,000.00. Much lower than my Hartford property tax bill.

Not to mention, I don't need to deal with the various "inspectors", OSHA, unions, high crime, inner city stupid-unemployable illiterate welfare scum...

So the very simple costs in summary:

  US Overseas
Taxes $640,820+ 0
Transport 0 $275,000.
TOTAL: $640,820.00 $275,000.00

Not to mention far less regulation, unionization, etc.
Nobody in their right mind will put any new industry in Hartford ever again.
Just junkyards, crackhouses, welfare offices and liquor stores. That's it.

44 posted on 06/04/2009 12:00:17 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: jessduntno
this is exactly what government wants.

THEY will TELL you what kind of work and when to work and where to work.

They will take every dime you've saved and have nothing left for yourself. That way there can be NO private charity or anything that THEY don't deem necessary for you.

Cause doncha know they know what's best for EVERYBODY.

What's even more evident is that they'll "provide" a place for this man out of "kindness" that is a going to be of the government's choosing and NOT HIS.

He will live where he can "afford" it or where the government TELLS him to live.

Then you go to the government to get a handout.... that's the way they now control all of us. Our food, our house, our car will be outlawed( so you have to ride a metal box with all the other sheep) in order to prevent escape or freedom...our healthcare with the threat of death because they will be the gatekeepers and you just know that the little piggies in government are more equal than you.

The bureaucrats, democrat, thugocrats want to make sure that this homeless guy learns a lesson. That thinking for yourself will only result in a negative outcome and that shuffling to the bureaucrats office with your head hung low, hand out and shuffling in at the appointed time will result in a government check (for free!).

It only costs you ... your freedom.

We are now in a fully socialized society. Look up the definition. We are on the transition to communism.

Oh and for those that do know the definition and still believe in the myth of "private property". Well I hate to break it to you. The Supreme Court removed that little impediment when it allowed "eminent domain" and the ability to levy property taxes on primary homes.

Try not paying your property taxes if you think you "own" your house. You only lease it at the whim of the local tax collector and the local government. Any developer with connections can also take your home as can the state.

Health Care will be the final nail in the coffin and the democrats are going to shove that through before the next congressional election cause they know what happened to Clinton ... this time it will be worse or better depending on how you vote.

45 posted on 06/04/2009 12:37:37 PM PDT by erman (Outside of a dog, a book is man's best companion. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.)
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To: GSWarrior

Lesson from the Department of Public Works:
nothing you do to become independent and take responsibility for yourself will go unpunished.


46 posted on 06/04/2009 12:41:29 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: ex91B10

“You know they are not paying taxes” - not even IRS wants to collect from someone sleeping on cardboard.

This chap is making a job for himself and you want to tax him before he gets started???


47 posted on 06/04/2009 1:16:44 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: John Will

FR is infested with Randian Internet Tough Guys.”

From some of the threads, perhaps ‘Randian’ should be replaced with ‘Randy’?

Just wonderin’


48 posted on 06/04/2009 1:20:45 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GSWarrior
"The only one who isn't furious about this is Moore. He insists that city functionaries are giving him a break because they are letting him continue to shine shoes while he waits for a copy of his birth certificate to be sent from Kansas. Once it arrives they will allow him to get an ID card and then hand over almost every cent he has."

So, you need a birth certificate to shine shoes but you don't need on to be POTUS.

49 posted on 06/04/2009 2:58:14 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: GladesGuru

This really makes me want to take a page out of Alinsky’s book (say what you want about him, his tactics work!) and target, personalize, freeze and polarize the official (by name and face) who’s giving him all this misery.


50 posted on 06/04/2009 4:54:27 PM PDT by coydog (Proud to have slept through the Obama coronation!)
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