Posted on 06/04/2009 2:28:17 PM PDT by cakid1
A new Federal Opinion puts salmon - steelhead - sturgeon and delta smelt ahead of Valley Farmers.
For many valley farmers crippled by a three year drought the opinion means:
No Water - No Food - No Jobs.
The plan would – provide more water for spawning fish.
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Again….
Sorry, but I’m in favor of this. My uncle is a commercial fisherman out there, he is as conservative as you can get and all in favor of protecting the fisheries, he just wants the “native” American special treatment taken away.
Yesterday it was cage free hens today its fish. Why don’t they just say it......People Get out!!
Then we'll get slammed by a couple of hurricanes if the weather holds up.
At the same time it's been too cold at night for me to plant beans yet and I wonder about the peanut crop. Lose that we lose more than the Klamath Valley farms produce even in a good year.
Would you like some of our water?
Three years ago we were dying of drought in Georgia, this year we can’t even plant a garden for the tiller bogging down in the mud.
Strange weather.
Maybe Californians will get sick of it enough to go red in the next two elections.
No Bail-Out of California! It’s nothing but a failed socialist state.
Maybe they can get the fish to pay the taxes too. Many, many people have already left the People’s Republic of California.
Thanks for the offer.
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But we have plenty of our own water.
The problem is, is its running right out to the Pacific Ocean.
Wait your turn, they’ll be coming for your water next.
The endangered species act... WILL eventually reach your water too.
Sorry to say it my friend.
I think you still need a couple of hurricanes, and if I were you I'd be planting Nawthern crops this year ~ it's just like the Mason Dixon Line moved Souf' about 700 miles as far as the climate is concerned.
Where is Arnuld and is buddies on this one?
Sure, you get rain up there from time to time, but it's not real rain ~ at least not the way we count rain!
what would the Flounders say?
Once again, California is not in the middle of a drought. We have had minimal of 80% of normal rainfall for the last 3 years. This “drought” is caused by poor management of our water system not the lack of rain. We have reservoirs in the bay area that are dry or near dry do to construction not lack of rain runoff. CA last drought year on record was 1992 when we had a mere 56% of normal rainfall. This is and will continue to be a government made drought to push the special interest (smelt huggers) agenda.
Arnold and company had the money 3 years ago to upgrade the delta system and somehow they pi$$ed it away.
My grandparents were farmers in California, and I had family farming in California until the early 1980’s.
In general, farmers in California do not farm efficiently. They don’t use water wisely, they water the same way their father, grandfather, and great grand fathers farmed. There is an investment in irrigation hardware that would be expensive to replace and, understandably, they refuse to change or update their irrigation methods thus they don’t irrigate their crops efficiently. Their thinking seems to be it worked for granddad, and it works for me. Regardless of the fish, water is becoming a scarce resource in parts of this country. And farmers shouldn’t complain so much if they would gradually update their methods of irrigation to use water more efficiently.
Another Klamath Falls a brewin'?
Farmers had already borrowed the money and committed to the growing season when - KERPOW! -- the feds cut off the water to save the sucker fish.
The Islamists' attacks on 9/11/2001 pretty much ended the crisis -- as I recall the Klamath Falls farmers and their supporters rallied to our Nation's needs along with all Americans -- and the new Bush Administration had backed off some of the Gore-enviro nutjob crap before 9/11.
No kidding. The high today in CENTRAL Georgia was 75. IN JUNE!!
From what I’ve seen, they make a berm about 6” high all around the orchard, which may be many acres on a side, then just fill it several inches deep. Don’t know how often, though.
NO, but some wine would be nice.
Yes, save the chicken, save the minnows ....KILL INNOCENT Fetuses! What has happened to our commonsense, our country and morals?
That is the bottom line, the environazis want the people gone (preferably by being dead).
The same environazis get to stay, of course on the government payroll
Of course, when the taxpayers leave, they get the last laugh, the state employees have to pay the taxes that pay their own salaries. The entitlement types won't.
Necessary to disqualify mercy.
Nothing new about this, the state ALWAYS mishandles the (whatever) project funds and squanders 'em.
Betcha they have several redundant bang up environmental impact reports, though.
Which proves your uncle is a fisherman and not a politician.
That's funny; here in the home of FR I'm surrounded by almond, pistachio, and fig orchards that are all on drips. Nobody flood irrigates orchards anymore.
Your post is BS.
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Accurate answer but wrong side of the valley.
Agribusiness on the west side of the valley frequently involves seasonal row crop for which their is no economical hardware shortcut. Drip, mist or saturation mat is not viable if the hardware must be replaced 3 times a year.
On the east side, where orchards and vineyards have 8 to 50 year life cycles hardware is an answer. The federally created shortage isn't on the east side. It's in the Westlands Water District, on the west side
It is not BS. Look a bit farther than your backyard before accusing someone of BSing.
Look at the 3000 acre tomato farmers, they not only flood but are doing so in mid afternoon in 100 degree temperatures. Furthermore, a lot of other types of farmers tend to water not between midnite and 6AM when evaporation is lessened.
I don’t give a damn about the fish, everything goes extinct.
Your ignorance is showing here. Water to a farmer is money In California there are no dry farmed row crops due to our weather. Water has to be purchased, a surcharge paid, pumped, delivered through sprinklers or drip tape, and a fee is payed for any actual or perceived runoff. Most of this involves electrical or diesel power which equates to money. Farmers have switched where possible to drip irrigation, sprinklers with micro emitters an zero slope laser leveled fields. The Central Coast farmers are utilizing recycled water from the treatment plant to supplement their irrigation water supply. To say that the California farmers of today are utilizing the same technology as their granddads is nonsense. Also if you would care to check irrigation is also taking place at night.
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