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11-Year-Old Graduates From LA College
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Posted on 06/05/2009 12:07:11 PM PDT by LottieDah

Moshe Kai Cavalin, 11, graduates with honors from East Los Angeles Community College this week, but just don't call him a genius.

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Moshe Kai Cavalin, 11, is graduating with honors from East Los Angeles Community College this week.

"I consider myself a regular kid who works hard and does his best," says this only child of a Taiwanese mother and an Israeli father.

When Cavalin started college at the age of 8, he may have been the youngest person in class, but he ended up tutoring some of his 19- and 20-year-old classmates in math and science.

Astrophysics is his passion. Albert Einstein and Bruce Lee are among his idols.

Yet like a twist out of a Hollywood action flick, Cavalin combines his exceptional smarts with fearsome martial arts abilities: The preteen has won numerous national martial arts championships.

Up next for the tireless boy wonder: In the next take six months to a year he plans to devote himself to martial arts, write a book for kids on how succeed in school, and take up scuba diving.

Not on the agenda: playing video games.

"I feel it's a waste of time playing video games because it's not helping humanity in any way," says the 11-year-old, who wants to use his knowledge to change the world.


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1 posted on 06/05/2009 12:07:12 PM PDT by LottieDah
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To: LottieDah

awesome post! thanks.


2 posted on 06/05/2009 12:11:47 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: LottieDah
"I feel it's a waste of time playing video games because it's not helping humanity in any way," says the 11-year-old, who wants to use his knowledge to change the world.

Apparently he's never played Grand Theft Auto.

3 posted on 06/05/2009 12:12:38 PM PDT by exist
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To: LottieDah

Amazing! I STARTED College at 12, and people think that’s impressive. Youngest kid I went to college with was 10.

My hat’s off to this kid, may he go far in life.


4 posted on 06/05/2009 12:13:59 PM PDT by rom (Obama '12 slogan: Let's keep on hopin'!)
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To: exist

I don’t think 11 year olds are supposed to be worrying about changing the world. That’s his parent’s job. I hope this child is being encouraged to be a kid, a very special one to be sure. I went to high school with one of these very young geniuses. He wasn’t very happy, I thought.


5 posted on 06/05/2009 12:15:03 PM PDT by twigs
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To: robomatik

I’ll bet this kid is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy smarter than Obama and any of the others in his cabinet.


6 posted on 06/05/2009 12:15:27 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: LottieDah

Hmm, astrophysics, martial arts...he just needs a rock band and a medical degree and he can be the next Buckaroo Banzai. He may just invent the Oscillation Overthruster.


7 posted on 06/05/2009 12:16:05 PM PDT by Crolis (Kill your television!)
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To: LottieDah
Albert Einstein and Bruce Lee are among his idols.

Beating the living crap out of difficult physics problems, all without a stunt double.

8 posted on 06/05/2009 12:18:20 PM PDT by TChris (There is no freedom without the possiblity of failure.)
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To: Crolis


Me fail english? That unpossible ...
9 posted on 06/05/2009 12:18:53 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: LottieDah

as some FReepers say, “true ‘dat!”


10 posted on 06/05/2009 12:23:04 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: LottieDah

How was he allowed to get through the system? By my senior year I had finished my freshman year at UConn, they wouldn’t let me leave! I had half days of study hall and got a part time job. That was my first inkling that there was something structurally wrong with the system.


11 posted on 06/05/2009 12:23:58 PM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: LottieDah
child of a Taiwanese mother and an Israeli father.

He is fortunate the genders were not reversed! /ducking

I am always leery when I read someone has an urge to "help humanity" - not because it isn't an honorable goal, but because reality almost exclusively ends up showcasing a more unfortunate legacy for those both harboring these intentions and being so able to effect wide-scale change.

12 posted on 06/05/2009 12:24:25 PM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: LottieDah

The NEA let this kid fall through the cracks. I’ll bet they are really upset about it.


13 posted on 06/05/2009 12:25:01 PM PDT by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: LottieDah

Alright, where is the appropriate Doogie Howser pic?


14 posted on 06/05/2009 12:25:14 PM PDT by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson)
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To: Crolis
"...he can be the next Buckaroo Banzai. "

if you've ever seen that movie, you just dated yourself. i'm 39, and remember seeing that flick as a young teenager. :^)

15 posted on 06/05/2009 12:27:34 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: LottieDah

Hope he turns down an invite to the White House.


16 posted on 06/05/2009 12:27:56 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: M203M4

dude! a little sarcasm here. if you want to “help humanity,” and are studying how to kick the living crap out of another person, the only question i have, is “how do you reconcile the diametrically opposed ideals?”


17 posted on 06/05/2009 12:32:02 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: LottieDah
...Cavalin combines his exceptional smarts with fearsome martial arts abilities...

To paraphrase Milton Berle, "I'll kill you one times ten to the seventh power times!"

-PJ

18 posted on 06/05/2009 12:35:38 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: rom
Wow! My kids started college at the age of 13, 12, and 13. The two younger graduated with B.S. degrees in math at age 18. ( Homeschoolers, of course.)
19 posted on 06/05/2009 12:36:54 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: LottieDah
Moshe Kai Cavalin sounds like the next Dr. Buckaroo Banzai...

Born in London in 1950, the son of two scientists: Masado Banzai, a brilliant Japanese research physicist whose work in theoretical quantum mechanics is reported to have "rattled" Albert Einstein, and Sandra Willoughby, the daughter of the eccentric Scottish-born Texas mathematician Edward McKay Willoughby. Sandra Willoughby fell in love with Masado Banzai when she was sixteen and married him twelve years later, after becoming an expert in her own right in the field of negative mass propulsion. The couple fled Japan at the outbreak of World War II and eventually settled in Texas. Their son grew up in Colorado and Arizona and was named "Buckaroo" because of his father's love for the American West.

In 1946 Masado Banzai and Sandra Willoughby joined forces with Masado's old friend and colleague, Professor Toichi Hikita, who shared their belief that one day man would be able to pass unharmed through solid matter. Their researches culminated in 1955 in the Texas desert, when Dr. Banzai took the controls of a jet car equipped with an early version of the Oscillation Overthruster. But the experiment ended tragically: Buckaroo Banzai's parents were killed in an explosion (caused by sabotage planned by criminal mastermind Hanoi Xan) as the five-year-old child looked on. Hikita raised young Buckaroo, using the entire world as his classroom, and the boy grew up to be, among other things, an extraordinarily skilled neurosurgeon.

Dissatisfied with a life devoted exclusively to medicine, Buckaroo Banzai perfected a wide range of skills. He designed and drove high-powered automobiles. He studied bujutsu and particle physics. His skill with a sixgun was reputed to eclipse that of Wyatt Earp. He spoke a dozen languages and wrote songs in all of them. His band, the Hong Kong Cavaliers, was one of the most popular, hard-rocking bar bands in east New Jersey (Buckaroo plays electric guitar and english horn), though its members (bearing names like Rawhide, Reno, the Swede, Perfect Tommy, Big Norse, and Pecos Bill) were not professional musicians at all, but rather cartographers and botanists, linguists and propellant engineers, an entomologist and an epidemiologist. All of them experts in their fields of endeavor, they were drawn to Buckaroo.

20 posted on 06/05/2009 12:41:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: twigs
I went to high school with one of these very young geniuses. He wasn’t very happy, I thought.
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Of course, he was unhappy! He was in high school when he should have been in **college***! (Duh!)

Geeze! The government school can't let bright kids out of the government school prison. Hey! That would mean less work for the NEA.

By the way, every year there is a bill in our legislature to allow any child of any age to take the GED. That would automatically make them eligible for full admission to the community college and eligible for all the typical scholarships and loans. Every year the NEA manages to kill the bill.

The purpose of government schooling is NOT education. It is a jobs program for white collar workers with the lowest SAT and GRE scores on campus!

21 posted on 06/05/2009 12:41:52 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: LottieDah

what’s the big deal? 3 years for an aa/ as degree - is the East LA college some kind of brain trust or special in some way?

good for this kid, but what will he do now?


22 posted on 06/05/2009 12:44:00 PM PDT by ASOC (Who IS that fat lady, and why is she singing?????)
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To: robomatik

Mmmmm... Buckaroo Banzai... Peter Weller... Robocop... Sigh...


23 posted on 06/05/2009 12:45:25 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: LottieDah
"I feel it's a waste of time playing video games because it's not helping humanity in any way," says the 11-year-old, who wants to use his knowledge to change the world.

What a little snob. Well, in his defense, that sort of thinking has probably been pressed on him by others and he doesn't know any better.

24 posted on 06/05/2009 12:47:50 PM PDT by Sloth (The Second Amendment is the ultimate "term limit.")
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To: TheOldLady

oy vey! growing old sucks!


25 posted on 06/05/2009 12:49:07 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: wintertime

My 3 year old just completed her doctoral dissertation in theoretical physics. I taunt her that her physics Phd will land her a nice job at McDonalds.

She responds in an obscure Mandarin dialect she picked up in nursery school, so I know she is probably saying something disrespectful.


26 posted on 06/05/2009 12:50:35 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: twigs

Hey..my seventeen year old is an entirely normal girl chasing, video-game playing, fun-loving,-TEA PARTY ATTENDING, honor roll ALL AMERICAN boy.
And guess what? He is actually pretty happy!!


27 posted on 06/05/2009 12:51:30 PM PDT by karatemom (I would never black out the name of Jesus!)
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To: robomatik

Awesome movie. I own the DVD, so I’m not admitting to being “dated.”


28 posted on 06/05/2009 12:57:52 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: LottieDah

That book is only going to be bought by his aunts. He obviously can’t relate to kids and I bet they aren’t going to appreciate being preached to by boy wonder. Kids like to play video games, perhaps too much, but that’s life as a kid. How is martial arts helping humanity, huh?


29 posted on 06/05/2009 12:58:08 PM PDT by bgill (The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration)
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To: robomatik
"oy vey! growing old sucks!"

Ha ha ha! Beats the alternative.

30 posted on 06/05/2009 1:02:08 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: bgill

“...How is martial arts helping humanity, huh?”

You are correct, kids want to be kids and this one probably can’t relate to them. Maybe some of that King-Fu fighting can dispatch some of the bad guys who pollute our daily lives. Just a thought.


31 posted on 06/05/2009 1:02:30 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: robomatik

I’m close to 35, and I remember seeing it back in the 80s, as I believe it eventually wound up on an early cable channel called HBO. Recently I showed it to my wife since it was on Comcast’s onDemand in HD. She loved it.

I made the end credits song into a ringtone for her iPhone. :)


32 posted on 06/05/2009 1:04:07 PM PDT by Crolis (Kill your television!)
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To: rom

“Amazing! I STARTED College at 12, and people think that’s impressive. “

Did getting an early start on things in life make you more successful? What did you do after you got your undergrad?


33 posted on 06/05/2009 1:06:22 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: Skooz
My 3 year old just completed her doctoral dissertation in theoretical physics.
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Then you should definitely consider homeschooling.

Actually, Skooz, my homeschoolers aren't any smarter that the children of our government schooling neighbors. They were simply homeschooled and allowed to go at their own pace.

It is a shame. As I drive by our local government school ( which looks like a prison, by the way) I can't help thinking that the top 20% of the kids could also be finishing college at the age of 18 ( or younger).

Government institutionalization in their prison-like schools artificially retards emotional, social, and academic development. Homeschooling, on the other hand is the most natural and healthy way to rear a child.

34 posted on 06/05/2009 1:07:13 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: LottieDah
this one probably can’t relate to them.
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Probably, not. Children who have been institutionalized for their schooling in prison-like government “schools” do tend to:

1) Have prison gang socialization skills.
2) Are artificially retarded in their emotional, social, and academic development.

35 posted on 06/05/2009 1:11:05 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: TheOldLady

HEY you’re from ohio too! i’m down in cincinati. while, in a way i respect your opinion that growing younger would retard our intellctual growth, it would allow me to lose a few pounds and wrinkles. :^)


36 posted on 06/05/2009 1:16:01 PM PDT by robomatik
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To: karatemom; wintertime

I definitely believe that bright kids should be challenged. But I’m not sure that putting them into college at the age of 11 is the best way to do it. Being age 17 is very different from being 11—and your son sounds normal—he’s chasing girls. This 11 year old is worrying about the world’s problems. Many years ago, I was engaged to a man who had graduated from college before I entered it and finished med school before I was old enough to finish college. I see what it did to him. He walked out of the hospital when he saw a child die because, though he was brilliant, wasn’t mature enough to see what he experienced there. He was totally burnt out before he was out of his 20s and the last time I heard from him, had very bad health as well. He grew up too fast and he wasn’t unhappy. But he was exhausted. Some kids I’m sure can handle it, but an 11 year old shouldn’t be worrying about the world. He should be getting ready to chase those girls!

Maybe I’m wrong; it’s happened before:)


37 posted on 06/05/2009 1:23:25 PM PDT by twigs
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To: LottieDah
child of a Taiwanese mother and an Israeli father.

#2 and #1 on the Bell Curve.

38 posted on 06/05/2009 1:24:40 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: LottieDah
Great work, Moshe!

Of course, I have to say here, that both my dogs could graduate from L.A. Community and one of them eats her own poop.

But, great work, Moshe!

39 posted on 06/05/2009 1:28:39 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: FightThePower!
Did getting an early start on things in life make you more successful? What did you do after you got your undergrad?

How do you define success? Money? Maturity? Depth of understanding of the world about you and our culture?

Finishing college early ( at age 18) gave my kids more opportunity.

One is pursuing another undergraduate degree in chemical engineer, but she is now also a wife and mother. To earn this second degree she merely needs to take the courses in that major. This is a tremendous savings in time than having to start from scratch and she absolute has the background in math needed to succeed.

The middle child earned a masters in math at 20. She too is a wife and mother. As her children grow older who knows what direction she will take? Engineering? MBA? Teaching?

the oldest chose business after finishing his general college courses and Calculus III at the age of 15. Because college can be pursued at night and part-time, he was able to compete as a nationally and internationally ranked athlete. This schedule allowed him to travel worldwide. He also took off from school for a few years to work for our church in Eastern Europe. As a result he is completely fluent in Russian. He is again completing in his sport, and will finish his MBA in accounting this year, at an age typical for students who have gone to college full-time at the normal age.

Besides increased opportunity, flexibility, and a broader and deeper understanding of our culture, there is **money**.

The sooner a college grad can enter the workforce the longer he can work. Each year is worth ...hm?...$50,000 to $100,000 or more. Or...Perhaps he could retire sooner and that would certainly add to the quality of his retirement years.

The young man in the article mentions "helping humanity". Well!...That is exactly what most people do in our capitalistic economy. For those who chose to graduate early and enter the workforce they will be increasing the health, wealth, and enjoyment of the people they serve.

40 posted on 06/05/2009 1:29:48 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: LottieDah

Martial arts would help to balance this kids’s life, especially if he studies Bruce Lee’s style, Jeet Kune Do. Sort of like “physical meditation.”


41 posted on 06/05/2009 1:31:04 PM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Deb

Reminds me of Revenge of the Nerds. I would have been more impressed if he graduated from Cal or USC. The first time he tries to pee out of the back of a hatchback on the way to a frat party, he’ll get a real education.


42 posted on 06/05/2009 1:38:02 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: FightThePower!

I don’t know about ‘more successful’ since I don’t have a ruler to measure it by. I ended up going into the computer gaming business right after graduation — and ended up doing more middleware and sims work eventually. Working loosely with NASA on a moon racing title right now.

I am now a Technical Director and earn a very good salary (6 figures) have a lovely wife and three children. Though the economy has almost destroyed the company I work for as well as my industry in general. So who knows how long the ‘good salary’ part is going to last.

Assuming my livelihood is not in jeopardy, I am planning to start my Master of Theology degree in the next year. So in a way, starting early with a Worldly Career and getting to where I am has made it easier to start looking into what I REALLY want to do with the rest of my life at the age of 31.

Go figure.


43 posted on 06/05/2009 1:54:02 PM PDT by rom (Obama '12 slogan: Let's keep on hopin'!)
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To: wintertime

I think we’ve swapped stories before. Congrats to your kids, but mostly to you ... as you did an amazing job raising them :)


44 posted on 06/05/2009 1:58:18 PM PDT by rom (Obama '12 slogan: Let's keep on hopin'!)
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To: twigs
He walked out of the hospital when he saw a child die because, though he was brilliant, wasn’t mature enough to see what he experienced there. He was totally burnt out before he was out of his 20s and the last time I heard from him, had very bad health as well.
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I was a registered nurse before I went back to college and graduate school to become the professional I am now.

I know of mature adults in the health field who have walked out of the hospital because of the things they have seen there. **I** am no longer a nurse and chose a different profession because of my experiences in the hospital. I too was **exhausted** and completely **fried** emotionally and physically.

So...Age here likely isn't the reason for your friend's unhappiness. However...He has a **big** advantage over someone who finds out that he can't stand being a physician when he is 30 or older. Your friend can more easily move into another field of work. He is younger and can financially more easily correct his mistake. Because I graduated from nursing school at a normal age, I did not enter my new profession until I was 32.

Also...He education is not wasted. He still has the knowledge and this knowledge will enrich his life even though he might not practice medicine In my case, my nursing education has added a valuable dimension to my life even though I haven't practiced nursing in 30 years.

My own children started with **one** course in the evening. They ( themselves) asked to take two courses the next semester. At this point they, themselves, asked to attend full-time. At this point **they** took full charge of their **own** class schedule.

Going to college isn't a problem if it is the child, **himself**, who makes the decision and paces himself.

As, for socialization:

My kids continued their typical homeschooing teen social life though nearly all of their undergrad years. Gradually, as they matured they made very good friends with the college students who were active in our church's college outreach program. We never worried about drugs, alcohol, and sex.

Also...While at the community college they made friends with the math tutors in the math lab. This is where they “hung out”. At 14 they were official (paid) math tutors at the college. Since they couldn't drive in their early years, I waited for them in the library.

The kids lived at home.

45 posted on 06/05/2009 2:04:41 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: AppyPappy

We’re terrible.


46 posted on 06/05/2009 2:06:36 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: rom
Thank you.

My kids are normally bright. Children by the millions could be doing the same if:

1) The NEA would let kids take the GED at **any** age. As it is now, the minimum age allowed is 16 to 18 depending on the state. This would allow bright kids automatic access to the community college and to scholarships and loans.

2) If parents could recognize that, yes ( indeed!), they **can** homeschool. It isn't rocket science.

47 posted on 06/05/2009 2:08:21 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: robomatik

I’m from Massachusetts, a loooong loooong time ago. But you’re right, now I’m in NE Ohio, south of Salem and west of Lisbon. Haven’t been to Cincinnati yet.

Honey, the only alternative to growing old is to achieve quietus, as if you didn’t know. ;-)


48 posted on 06/05/2009 2:24:45 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: twigs

That was quite a compelling story about your doctor friend. Makes me happy that my kid won’t have the “genius” problem. Way back when we had to attend business dinners, so many people would fill the conversation with how wonderful, intelligent, off-the-charts geniuses their kids were. I wanted to drive a fork into my eye. It made me realize how utterly BORING those kinds of people actually are.


49 posted on 06/05/2009 2:39:52 PM PDT by karatemom (I would never black out the name of Jesus!)
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To: karatemom
so many people would fill the conversation with how wonderful, intelligent, off-the-charts geniuses their kids were. I wanted to drive a fork into my eye.
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A fork in the eye?

Geeze! Then why are you reading a homeschooling thread, for heaven's sakes? No one here on Free Republic can force anyone to read a thread. It is entire up to the choice of the individual whether they open a thread or not.

Homeschoolers are on average far ahead of children who are institutionalized for their schooling.

50 posted on 06/05/2009 3:16:46 PM PDT by wintertime
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