Skip to comments.No Seal of Approval for Evolution
Posted on 06/05/2009 12:26:14 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
No Seal of Approval for Evolution
by Frank Sherwin, M.A.*
The recent discovery of an incomplete northern Canadian fossil is causing waves in certain evolutionary circles.1 Some scientists claim that Puijila darwini is a flipper-free pinniped (a group that includes walruses, sea lions, and seals) that is supposedly a long sought-after Darwinian transition between a land and freshwater animal. But although a BBC headline proclaimed it a "missing link," this status is made doubtful by the article's uncertain verbiage. Terms such as "probably," "very likely," "suggest," "hint," "apparently," "may have," and "appears to have" are used to describe this animal and its characteristics. It is also important to note that...
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Science is going about its business as it always does.
This is just an example of how science gets things done — there will probably be a lot of debate on what this is and how it fits into the overall scheme of TToE. It is usually the MSM that screws up.
Certainly not an indictment against much of anything.
Thanks for the ping!
A hippo is absolutely ballpark for the sort of whale ancestor which evolosers believe in and you do not see hippos swimming or wading out into deep water since they're bright enough to know what would happen to them the first minute they did.
So basically what you are saying is, the African hippo is smarter than the American rino.
Standard fudge words that they always use.
As usual, they attempt to tie the nonexistant evolution to something, but cannot do so in a definative way because evolution is, like all flights of fancy, undefinable.
“People never die because everyone I’ve seen today is alive”
Proof of Creation: Moses is attacked by a ferocious Velociraptor,
thus proving that dinosaurs did indeed exist only a few thousand years ago.
“One in Seven Scientists Say Colleagues Fake Data
Foxnews ^ | 6/5/2009 | Staff
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2009 2:18:20 PM by Red in Blue PA”
An earlier thread.
We find human fossils in layers that most creationists consider post-Flood. Most of these were probably buried after the Flood and after the scattering of humans from Babel. ...
In light of this, it is possible that human fossils from the Flood could still exist but just havent been found yet. ...
Although they wouldnt have lasted that long and would have eventually perished, they might not fossilize. ...
It seems doubtful that there were many hundreds of millions of people before the Flood. ...
John Woodmorappes studies indicate that there are about 168 million cubic miles (700 km3) of Flood sediment.6 John Morris estimates that there is about 350 million cubic miles of Flood sediment.7 The latter may be high because the total volume of water on the earth is estimated at about 332.5 million cubic miles, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. ... It also may simply be that we havent found the sediment where humans were living and were buried.
Much more fudge where that came from!
So, some cheat (no link so I can’t read the story). Bankers cheat, so we should eliminate the Banking industry?
That is why there are checks and balances and peer review.
Do you see any difference in viewing an entire article, and taking a small part of one out of context?
This one is interesting starting at about twenty seconds in.
This one is interesting starting at about thirty seconds in.
Tell the underwater hippos, Ted, what's about to happen to them.
” “Most scientific papers are probably wrong
02:00 30 August 2005 by Kurt Kleiner
Most published scientific research papers are wrong, according to a new analysis. Assuming that the new paper is itself correct, problems with experimental and statistical methods mean that there is less than a 50% chance that the results of any randomly chosen scientific paper are true.”
Journal reference: Public Library of Science Medicine (DOI: 10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124)” “
I don't believe much of what bankers say either.
The BBC story concluded, "Darwin forecast the transition from land to sea via fresh water in his seminal work On the Origin of Species, published 150 years ago this year." Darwin's predictions are still unfulfilled. According to Benton, "It is hard to imagine how [great blue whales and dolphins] evolved from terrestrial mammal ancestors, and yet that is what happened." Paleontologist Edwin Colbert stated what creationists have been saying for decades--whales have always been uniquely designed ("adapted") as whales and appear abruptly in the fossil record.Benton's full quote reads, "Looking at a great blue whale...or a fast-swimming dolphin, it is hard to imagine how they evolved from terrestrial mammal ancestors, and yet that is what happened." He's not saying that in the face of all the evidence it's still hard to imagine, as Sherwin implies; he's saying that the relationship isn't apparent to the casual observer.
And by using the same tense for Colbert's quote as for the rest of the article, Sherwin would like us to believe the BBC story contained the quote. In fact, Colbert's quote is from a book written in 1955, well before the major discoveries in the sequence of whale evolution.
I read both, and it’s clear you are making a distinction without a difference.
heh I would have bet the ranch that if I looked up the Edwin Colbert quote that I’d find that it was either terribly out of context, or from half a century ago (or both).
One wonders why quoting from a book written fifty-four years ago would be necessary. Perhaps a clue might be found here.
Until fairly recently, the fossil history of the earliest whales (known as Cetaceans) was quite unknown. Edwin Colbert pointed out in 1955, "These mammals must have had an ancient origin, for no intermediate forms are apparent in the fossil record between the whales and the ancestral Cretaceous placentals. Like the bats, the whales (using the term in a general and inclusive sense) appear suddenly in early Tertiary times, fully adapted by profound modifications of the basic mammalian structure for a highly specialized mode of life." (Colbert, 1955, p. 303) The oldest whales then known, the Archaeocetes, already exhibited all of the typical whale characteristics, including lack of rear limbs, paddle-like front limbs, and a tail with a horizontal fluke for propulsion. The teeth of the Archaeocetes, however, very closely resembled an ancient group of carnivores called Mesonychids, which were wolf-sized scavengers that lived in the early Eocene period. Based on these similarities, most paleontologists hypothesized that the whales were the evolutionary descendents of the terrestrial Mesonychid carnivores.
The first hint that they were probably right came in 1983, when researcher Phil Gingerich found a 52-million year old skull in shallow deposits in Pakistan. Although fragmentary, the skull had teeth that were nearly identical with those of Mesonychids and the Archaeocetes. The configuration of the bones at the rear of the skull, however, were different from those in the Mesonychids, and were identical to that of the Archaeocetes. Gingerich thus concluded that the animal, which he named Pakicetus, was a very primitive whale. "In time and in its morphology," Gingerich reported, "Pakicetus is perfectly intermediate, a missing link between earlier land mammals and later, full-fledged whales." (Gingerich, The Whales of Tethys, Natural History, April 1994, p. 86)
... and ...
The most recent discovery in cetacean evolution has also been the most spectacular. In January 1994, Hans Thewissen announced the discovery of several 49 million year old Archaeocete skeletons, the most complete one consisting of parts of the skull and jaw, a number of vertebrae, some ribs and nearly complete front and hind limbs. The large limb bones were fully capable of supporting the animal's weight on land, and were also capable of paddling it through the water using an up-and-down motion of the spine (although it lacked the loose sacral bones found in the Zhou skeleton). Thewissen named the animal Ambulocetus natans ("the swimming whale that walks"). In morphology and in timing, it is a perfect intermediary between the Mesochynids and the younger Archaeocetes.
Quite an interesting article.
So, some cheat (no link so I cant read the story). Bankers cheat, so we should eliminate the Banking industry?
That is why there are checks and balances and peer review.
just ignore that the checks and balances are shouted down, smeared, lied about and sued into silnce in this case though right?
MAN are you....100% programmed or what?
SEEK a cult deprogrammer in your area today!
Can you name another animal that might do what you proposed -- wade into water one to three hundred feet deep?
Even Splifford the ascii bat in his most beknighted moments wouldn't ask a question that silly.
Splifford has not yet been knighted.
Yep definitely a pinniped. Sinbad would really like it.
Here's his little brother.
You are killing me LOL
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