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No Seal of Approval for Evolution
ICR ^ | June 2009 | Frank Sherwin, M.A.

Posted on 06/05/2009 12:26:14 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

No Seal of Approval for Evolution

by Frank Sherwin, M.A.*

The recent discovery of an incomplete northern Canadian fossil is causing waves in certain evolutionary circles.1 Some scientists claim that Puijila darwini is a flipper-free pinniped (a group that includes walruses, sea lions, and seals) that is supposedly a long sought-after Darwinian transition between a land and freshwater animal. But although a BBC headline proclaimed it a "missing link," this status is made doubtful by the article's uncertain verbiage. Terms such as "probably," "very likely," "suggest," "hint," "apparently," "may have," and "appears to have" are used to describe this animal and its characteristics. It is also important to note that...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution; fools; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; science
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1 posted on 06/05/2009 12:26:14 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/05/2009 12:28:57 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Science is going about its business as it always does.

This is just an example of how science gets things done — there will probably be a lot of debate on what this is and how it fits into the overall scheme of TToE. It is usually the MSM that screws up.

Certainly not an indictment against much of anything.


3 posted on 06/05/2009 12:29:35 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


4 posted on 06/05/2009 12:31:04 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts
The ONLY way you can get from any kind of land animal with legs to anything which lives in deep water is bio-engineering.

A hippo is absolutely ballpark for the sort of whale ancestor which evolosers believe in and you do not see hippos swimming or wading out into deep water since they're bright enough to know what would happen to them the first minute they did.

5 posted on 06/05/2009 12:31:48 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman
Haven't you heard? The Evos would have us believe that what looks bio-engineered for a purpose is in fact the product of random processes, plus survival.
6 posted on 06/05/2009 12:40:09 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: varmintman

So basically what you are saying is, the African hippo is smarter than the American rino.


7 posted on 06/05/2009 12:40:39 PM PDT by Diplomat
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To: GodGunsGuts

8 posted on 06/05/2009 12:43:28 PM PDT by baclava
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To: GodGunsGuts

Standard fudge words that they always use.

As usual, they attempt to tie the nonexistant evolution to something, but cannot do so in a definative way because evolution is, like all flights of fancy, undefinable.


9 posted on 06/05/2009 12:43:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: varmintman

“People never die because everyone I’ve seen today is alive”


10 posted on 06/05/2009 12:56:05 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: GodGunsGuts
You guys find Noah's Ark yet?

Proof of Intelligent Design: Moses is attacked by a ferocious Velociraptor, thus proving that dinosaurs did indeed exist only a few thousand years ago.

Proof of Creation: Moses is attacked by a ferocious Velociraptor,
thus proving that dinosaurs did indeed exist only a few thousand years ago.

11 posted on 06/05/2009 12:56:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: freedumb2003
Here's another example of how science “goes about its business” and “gets things done”.

“One in Seven Scientists Say Colleagues Fake Data
Foxnews ^ | 6/5/2009 | Staff
Posted on Friday, June 05, 2009 2:18:20 PM by Red in Blue PA”

An earlier thread.

12 posted on 06/05/2009 1:00:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: baclava
LOL, Yours is better than mine.See:

comment#11

13 posted on 06/05/2009 1:00:08 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: editor-surveyor
Fudge words, you say?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/human-and-dino-fossils-together:

We find human fossils in layers that most creationists consider post-Flood. Most of these were probably buried after the Flood and after the scattering of humans from Babel. ...

In light of this, it is possible that human fossils from the Flood could still exist but just haven’t been found yet. ...

Although they wouldn’t have lasted that long and would have eventually perished, they might not fossilize. ...

It seems doubtful that there were many hundreds of millions of people before the Flood. ...

John Woodmorappe’s studies indicate that there are about 168 million cubic miles (700 km3) of Flood sediment.6 John Morris estimates that there is about 350 million cubic miles of Flood sediment.7 The latter may be high because the total volume of water on the earth is estimated at about 332.5 million cubic miles, according to the U.S. Geological Survey. ... It also may simply be that we haven’t found the sediment where humans were living and were buried.

Much more fudge where that came from!

14 posted on 06/05/2009 1:02:19 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: count-your-change

So, some cheat (no link so I can’t read the story). Bankers cheat, so we should eliminate the Banking industry?

That is why there are checks and balances and peer review.


15 posted on 06/05/2009 1:03:13 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Caesar Soze

Do you see any difference in viewing an entire article, and taking a small part of one out of context?


16 posted on 06/05/2009 1:18:08 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: varmintman
A hippo is absolutely ballpark for the sort of whale ancestor which evolosers believe in and you do not see hippos swimming or wading out into deep water since they're bright enough to know what would happen to them the first minute they did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNA5IB06WI&feature=related

This one is interesting starting at about twenty seconds in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNA5IB06WI&feature=related

This one is interesting starting at about thirty seconds in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pH1ieIkZRM&feature=fvsr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yCOiW195eA&feature=related

Tell the underwater hippos, Ted, what's about to happen to them.

17 posted on 06/05/2009 1:23:15 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: freedumb2003
Here's how that “checks and balances and peer review” works, from that same thread which can be found on FR at source I gave. Go there and read.

” “Most scientific papers are probably wrong
02:00 30 August 2005 by Kurt Kleiner
Most published scientific research papers are wrong, according to a new analysis. Assuming that the new paper is itself correct, problems with experimental and statistical methods mean that there is less than a 50% chance that the results of any randomly chosen scientific paper are true.”

Journal reference: Public Library of Science Medicine (DOI: 10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124)” “

I don't believe much of what bankers say either.

18 posted on 06/05/2009 1:31:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
More deceptive writing and quote-mining. The author writes
The BBC story concluded, "Darwin forecast the transition from land to sea via fresh water in his seminal work On the Origin of Species, published 150 years ago this year." Darwin's predictions are still unfulfilled. According to Benton, "It is hard to imagine how [great blue whales and dolphins] evolved from terrestrial mammal ancestors, and yet that is what happened." Paleontologist Edwin Colbert stated what creationists have been saying for decades--whales have always been uniquely designed ("adapted") as whales and appear abruptly in the fossil record.
Benton's full quote reads, "Looking at a great blue whale...or a fast-swimming dolphin, it is hard to imagine how they evolved from terrestrial mammal ancestors, and yet that is what happened." He's not saying that in the face of all the evidence it's still hard to imagine, as Sherwin implies; he's saying that the relationship isn't apparent to the casual observer.

And by using the same tense for Colbert's quote as for the rest of the article, Sherwin would like us to believe the BBC story contained the quote. In fact, Colbert's quote is from a book written in 1955, well before the major discoveries in the sequence of whale evolution.

19 posted on 06/05/2009 1:35:40 PM PDT by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

I read both, and it’s clear you are making a distinction without a difference.


20 posted on 06/05/2009 1:45:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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