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Some Myths About the Quranic Science
02 June 2009 | Mumin Salih

Posted on 06/05/2009 6:24:27 PM PDT by bronxville

Some Myths About the Quranic Science Written by Mumin Salih Tuesday, 02 June 2009

Islamic Woodooo Recently, Muslims scholars started to falsely claim that the Quran foretold many scientific discoveries that were not known in its time. None of the Muslims’ claims stands scientific or logical analysis. One wonders how the Muslim scholars dare to make such claims despite the obvious contradiction between the Quran and science. The answer to this question is that Muslim scholars became alarmed during the last decades as an increasing number of ordinary Muslims started to learn modern science. To pre-empt any suspicion about the contradictions between the Quran and science, the Muslim scholars started to claim that the Quran actually was ahead of time in science but early Muslims didn’t understand it. The strategy of the Muslim scholars is deception, pure lies and word games.

This article investigates only four of the most common claims that Muslims make about the Quran and science. It often escapes the minds of the Muslims that the existence of only one error in the Quran is a proof that the book is not divine and that Islam is a hoax. 1. Splitting the moon

The claim: according to the Quran, Mohammed made the moon to split into two halves and then glued them together. Fourteen hundreds years later, Nasa confirmed that splitting.

This extraordinary claim is based on verse:

Q.54:1 “The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder”.

The verse describes an event that allegedly took place in Mecca when a few Meccan Arabs asked Mohammed to split the moon as a Najjarproof to them that he was a prophet. Mohammed simply made the moon split into two halves, one half on each side of the mountain Hira! However, this extraordinary cosmic event did not impress those Arabs who accused Mohammed of performing one of his magic tricks.

The irony is that the above myth was propagated by a Muslim scientist, more precisely a geologist, who was qualified in the UK! Dr. Zaghloul Al Najjar is an Egyptian who made a fortune from his appearances on Islamic TV channels. He is happy to turn his back to all that he learned at university and make the above false claim on Aljazeera television, the Islamists’ TV platform. For the sake of Allah, Dr. Al Najjar went one step further as he shamelessly lied to his audience and claimed that Nasa scientists have discovered that the moon was split into two halves and glued together!


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: creation; goodgodimnutz; muslimscience

1 posted on 06/05/2009 6:24:27 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

“For the sake of Allah, Dr. Al Najjar went one step further as he shamelessly lied to his audience and claimed that Nasa scientists have discovered that the moon was split into two halves and glued together!”

lol and now Obama has helped them perpetrate these myths.

Fascinating article - sorry I forgot the url:
http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2427&Itemid=95


2 posted on 06/05/2009 6:28:26 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

The Prophet said “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)


3 posted on 06/05/2009 6:32:55 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 137 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: bronxville

This must be satire, right?


4 posted on 06/05/2009 6:33:43 PM PDT by doc1019 (The invitation for salvation always requires an RSVP.)
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To: doc1019

The tactic employed by Muslim apologists is

(1) to read a simple passage from the Qur’an or Hadith,

(2) to twist and stretch the interpretation as far their imaginations will take them,

(3) to insert a bunch of scientific terminology into the interpretation, and

(4) to proclaim that there is absolutely no way an illiterate, seventh-century leader could have revealed all these scientific insights without the help of God. After hearing such arguments, Muslims typically stand in awe. Others stand there wondering, “Where did the passage say that?”

Consider what happens when a non-Muslim attempts to examine Muhammad’s claims. He opens the Qur’an and reads Surah 86, which declares that semen proceeds from an area between the ribs and the spine. Surely this would falsify the Muslim argument, wouldn’t it? Not at all! Our Muslim friends reply that, since the cells that ultimately form the genitals are a bit higher up during embryological development, there is nothing wrong with Muhammad’s claim (despite the fact that Muhammad clearly wasn’t talking about embryological development). Hence, a passage which is so clear that it should automatically falsify the Muslim claim turns out to be no problem whatsoever.

What does the Qur’an say about embryological development? According to 22:5, 23:12-14, 40:67, and 75:37-39, humans go through a blood clot stage in the womb. Since the developing embryo is never a blood clot, don’t we have a rather obvious scientific error here? “No!” replies the Muslim. “Since the fetus kind of looks like a clot of blood, the Qur’anic description is accurate.” Once again, a clear error presents no problem at all for the Muslim.

I wish it was satire then we could hope that we could work with these people but - Nope - unfortunately it’s not satire. We’re dealing with the insane.


5 posted on 06/05/2009 6:38:28 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

This is why education in the Muslim world sucks—they don’t want people to actually LEARN things and become ENLIGHTENED and see what a fake Islam really is.

As a result, many Muslims are quite superstitious. Some Iraqis believed US tanks had forcefields around them and that if they wrapped their guns in aluminum they could penetrate the forcefield. Some Saudis believed that camel spiders were a plague sent by Allah to harass US troops in Iraq. Conspiracy theories are huge in the Arab world. Everything that goes wrong is immediately attributed to a conspiracy by the CIA and Mossad. Muslims educated in the West are sometimes seen as CIA/Mossad collaboraters.


6 posted on 06/05/2009 6:43:53 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: bronxville

Even though I was being facetious, I appreciate your response (great info) and will use it in the future. I have been known to debate with our muslim brethren about the wisdom of their religion and need all the ammo I can get. ;-)


7 posted on 06/05/2009 6:54:49 PM PDT by doc1019 (The invitation for salvation always requires an RSVP.)
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To: G8 Diplomat

The problem with the Muslim methodology is that it could be used to prove that any ancient figure was a prophet of God, especially when many ancients made claims which, unlike Muhammad’s, actually were scientifically accurate.

For instance, Thales of Miletus was able to predict a solar eclipse in 585 B.C. One could use this to argue that he must have been inspired by God. However, Thales also proclaimed that everything is composed of water, an idea that now seems absurd.

Nevertheless, by employing Islam’s Miracle of Reinterpretation, we can justify just about any scientific theory in history. For instance, if I were to use Muslim tactics in defending Thales’ position that everything is made of water, I could make the following argument:

The Prophet Thales claimed that everything is made of water. That’s obviously not true, but Thales was a prophet, so he couldn’t have been wrong. So what could he have meant? Well, consider the composition of water. It is made of hydrogen and oxygen. Most of the mass in the universe is in the form of hydrogen, and all living things use oxygen in some way. Thus, we have in Thales’ statement a full description of the universe—the non-living, predominantly hydrogen part, and the living, oxygen-using part!

But how could Thales have known these things unless God revealed them to him?

Truly this man must be a prophet!

Lo, Prophet Thales, PBUH


8 posted on 06/05/2009 6:57:26 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Give Thales some credit! He was referring to protons, neutrons and electrons.... everything in the universe is made of these and water has them!! Yay!


9 posted on 06/05/2009 7:09:19 PM PDT by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....)
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To: bronxville
I followed your link, and praise be to Allah, made this most wondrous discovery! The author lists a number of rituals which the Muslims follow to this day, which they simply carried over from pagan days before Mohammed (PBUH):

running around the Kabah seven times, kissing the black stone, shaving the head, animal sacrifices, running up and down two hills, throwing stones at the devil, snorting water in and out the nose, praying several times a day toward Mecca, giving alms, Friday prayers, etc. are strictly followed by Muslims today.

From this we see, oh children of Allah, that waterboarding, for which the lying Crusaders claim credit, is actually another invention of Arab science!

10 posted on 06/05/2009 7:11:26 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: G8 Diplomat
This is why education in the Muslim world sucks—they don’t want people to actually LEARN things and become ENLIGHTENED and see what a fake Islam really is.

Not top far from the color book theory of creation then is it.

11 posted on 06/05/2009 7:25:53 PM PDT by org.whodat ("Way past time for new commodities regulation")
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To: Uriah_lost

I like that one. lol

When one understands their methodology - it’s easy - and fun. I debated many of them for a long time on a ME forum - they’re insane.


12 posted on 06/05/2009 7:38:59 PM PDT by chase19
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To: bronxville
Then, if you read the Koran in Aramaic, the language in which most of it is actually written (pre-dot written Arabic is, in reality, not Arabic at all) you get an entirely different reading.

The "clot" business is pretty consistent with the state of scientific knowledge in the 7th century.

BTW, all the "virgins" turn into "seedless dessert grapes".

13 posted on 06/05/2009 7:39:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: hellbender

You card you. Wonder if Senator Durbin has been informed yet.


14 posted on 06/05/2009 7:41:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: hellbender

Here’s one where they are trying to say that big Mo isn’t one the false prophets Jesus was talking about....

Christians often like to claim that Muhammad is a false prophet; they often like to say that the only time Muhammad is mentioned in the Bible is as a false prophet. They then like to quote the passages which talks about the false prophets.

In this article of mine we shall examine the most common verses Christians bring, and from there we will see if the prophet Muhammad actually fits the description given by the Bible.

Here are the first passages Christians often bring up:

“Jesus answered them, ‘Watch out that no one misleads you. For many will come in my name, saying, “I am the Christ,” and they will mislead many ... Then if anyone says to you, “Look, here is the Christ!” or “There he is!” do not believe him. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Remember, I have told you ahead of time.’” Matthew 24:4-5, 23-25

The prophet Muhammad certainly does not fit the description given by Jesus.

To start off, Jesus says that many will come IN MY NAME claiming I AM THE CHRIST. The prophet Muhammad never claimed he was the Christ, that title was never given to him in the Quran, the term Christ is only given to Jesus in the Quran. Secondly, Muhammad never came in Jesus’ name; Muhammad came for Allah’s cause, not Jesus’. So therefore as we already see, the prophet Muhammad does not match the description given by Jesus.

The next description Jesus gives is that the false prophet will perform several great signs and wonders. The prophet Muhammad does not fit this description neither.

In fact one of the main arguments Christians bring up against Muhammad, is that he did not perform great miracles and signs like the former prophets.”

Then the idiot proceeds to claim that the Pagans said big Mo didn’t perform any miracles, etc....

It’s so funny you gotta read it all for yourself - here:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/false_prophets.htm


15 posted on 06/05/2009 7:46:18 PM PDT by chase19
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To: bronxville

A similar phenomenon found in the West is discussed at
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2265970/posts


16 posted on 06/05/2009 7:48:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: bronxville

Those foolish boobs! Why the next you know they’ll be claiming the ability to change the global climate!


17 posted on 06/05/2009 7:59:46 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: chase19

All through their history the koran was their miracle. It’s only through ‘recent study’ that they’ve decided that Big Mo did in fact perform miracles. Not just a couple either but many and a lot more impressive than any Jesus performed. I mean, Lo, he cut the moon in half and then glued it back together again, PBUH. How cool was that compared to loaves and fishes? I mean not even Humpity Dumpity was - put back together again so give the man his due.


18 posted on 06/05/2009 8:02:02 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

A serious question: can anyone name one contribution of Islam to the world in any field, since 632 AD?

That is other than wanton murder, rape,destruction, pillaging and forced domination.

I can’t think of any, but there are plenty of asmarter Freepers than me.


19 posted on 06/05/2009 8:02:04 PM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: hellbender

lol The only correction I would make on your analysis is that it was the - Holy Crusades.


20 posted on 06/05/2009 8:04:18 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: hellbender

==> “...snorting water in and out the nose ...” <==

Muslims invented water-boarding!


21 posted on 06/05/2009 8:05:34 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: exit82

Nope! That was easy. :)

They claim all that the Byzantines et al did as their own. I noticed the ‘great orator’ supports them in this lie.


22 posted on 06/05/2009 8:07:37 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

The problem with myths is their simultaneous pliablity and popularity.


23 posted on 06/05/2009 8:12:31 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

In the Name of Allah, The Compassionate, The Merciful

The Hour is nigh, and the moon split. But if they see a sign, they turn away and say. “This is evident Magic.” Qur’an 54:1-2

MATERIALIST philosophers and their absurd imitators, who attempt to cast a shadow over such a moon-like miracle of Muhammad (S) by vicious misgivings, say, “If the splitting of the moon had occurred, it would have been known to the whole world and narrated on all the books of history.”

OUR ANSWER: The splitting of the moon was demonstrated as an evidence of prophethood. It happened instantaneously, before a certain group of deniers at a time of night when people were asleep. There were, at the same time, obstacles that prevented others from witnessing this event, such as fog, clouds, and the time differences between parts of the world. Furthermore, science had not spread at the time, so that researches were very limited. This miracle therefore, was not intended to be witnessed all over the world and to be narrated by all historians.

Now listen to the following Five Points that will clear the clouds of misgiving concerning the miracle of the splitting of the moon.

Here’s a little snapshot of Point Four:

Yet thoughtless rejecters say, “It did not occur, as it is not mentioned in the histories of such people as the Chinese, Japanese, and Americans.” A thousand curses upon such bootlickers of the Western philosophers!
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4482/moon.htm


24 posted on 06/05/2009 8:24:07 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

Here’s a little snapshot of Point Four:

Yet thoughtless rejecters say, “It did not occur, as it is not mentioned in the histories of such people as the Chinese, Japanese, and Americans.” A thousand curses upon such bootlickers of the Western philosophers!
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/4482/moon.htm

I put that in the wrong spot - now separated.


25 posted on 06/05/2009 8:26:43 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

26 posted on 06/05/2009 8:30:48 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville
I forgot to add the - Information Ministers - story line. "The information was correct, but the interpretations were not," he said. "I did my duty up to the last minute."
27 posted on 06/05/2009 8:34:51 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: doc1019

“I have been known to debate with our muslim brethren about the wisdom of their religion and need all the ammo I can get.”

I’m guessing you debate them on a forum and not up front and in their face otherwise it’s curtains for you. :)


28 posted on 06/05/2009 8:39:53 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

No, I visit our local mosque on a regular bases, along with other members of my church and tell them about Jesus. Although I have been threatened on a regular bases, the truth must be presented.


29 posted on 06/05/2009 8:50:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (The invitation for salvation always requires an RSVP.)
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To: doc1019

God bless you for that...your life is in danger...careful!

Here’s the professor pictured above, recapping a story about a student who couldn’t believe the Moon miracle, when he was teaching in Cardiff, Wales - this is an excerpt:

[...]

So,one day ALLAH made me sit to watch TV. It was a talk show between a British commentator and three American astronautics specialists. The show host was blaming the scientists for spending thriftily over space trips at a time when earth is suffering hunger,poverty, diseases and backwardness. He was telling them, it would have been more feasible to allocate this kind of money for reconstruction of earth. To this argument, the three men answered defending their position that such technology is widely applied in many wakes of life such as medicine, industry and agriculture. They added that the money is never wasted but it rather supported the development of highly advanced technology.

During their dialogue, they mentioned the trip in which a man landed on the moon surface as it consumes the the largest cost which comes to more than US $100.000.000.000. The British TV anchor screamed saying what kind of thrift is this? A hundred thousand million dollars just to plant the American flag on the moon surface? They answered no; the objective was not to plant the American flag but rather to study the interior composition of the moon. We actually came to a finding that would cost us double folds of this amount for people to believe and yet they will never believe. The show host inquired what is this fact? They replied: One day this moon was split and then reattached. The show host again probed: how did you realize that? The scientists responded about finding a belt of transformed rocks cutting the moon from its surface to core and then to the surface again. The stated saying: we consulted with earth scientists and geologists who explained that such phenomenon would never occur unless this moon one day split and then reattached.

The British Muslim man said: I jumped out of my chair saying ALLAH (SWT) forced the Americans to spend more than a hundred billion dollars to prove to Muslims a a miracle that took place 1400 years ago for Mohamed (PBUH)? This religion must be the truth. He added: I went back to the Quran and recited Surat Al Qamar, which was my gate for accepting Islam.
http://www.islamcan.com/cgi-bin/increaseiman/htmlfiles/static/107774039613112.shtml

They are insane.


30 posted on 06/05/2009 10:06:22 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville

My favorite is... the sun sets in a muddy spring. [Sura 18.86]


31 posted on 06/05/2009 10:21:23 PM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville
Islam was founded in 627 AD, 1,382 years ago. Christianity was founded approximately 30 AD, 1,979 years ago. Where was Christianity in the era when it was as old as Islam is today—say 1400 to 1500 AD? The development of movable type made possible the Gutenberg Bible, 1455; the Sistine Chapel was built, 1481; Joan of Arc was burned, 1431; Pope Sixtus IV established the Spanish Inquisition, 1478; Pope Innocent VIII issued a papal bull authorizing the Dominicans to prosecute witchcraft in Germany, 1484.

Christianity adapted and evolved. Can Islam?

32 posted on 06/05/2009 10:31:24 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: doc1019
I visit our local mosque on a regular bases, along with other members of my church and tell them about Jesus.

For some reason I am reminded of St.Francis preaching to the buzzards, vultures and other unclean birds...

33 posted on 06/06/2009 9:52:04 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 138 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: bronxville

Islam did make a contribution: it gave us and gives us the 0 .


34 posted on 06/06/2009 10:25:57 AM PDT by tired1 (When the Devil eats you there's only one way out.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“They shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth ...” - St. John’s Revelation (1st c. A.D.)


35 posted on 06/06/2009 11:16:58 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The Koran was the invention of Mohammed therefore is an artificial religion without a spiritual soul. The Koran has denial in the place of a heart, since it despises the very ‘elements’ of its construction, which is the Old and the New Testament.

Spyrido Zambelius - The Koran is “an undigested, unintegrated mixture of the Old and the New Testament, a monstrous mixture of Judaism and Christianity, decorated with fictitious tales, that please or surprise the imagination of semi-wild peoples, while from the start to the end it emits political rage and religious frenzy” (see Zambelius, Byzantine Studies, Athens 1857, pp. 169-70).

Manuel II Palaeologus writes that peoples who followed Islam “were deceived and forced by Mohammed, who promised them victory against Christians (cf. Manuel Palaeologus, Epitaph to his brother Theodorus Palaeologus, PG 156.220). Ostrogorsky (Byzantine History) writes that “Mohammed [was not a prophetic but a political figure, he] was creating the foundations of a religious and political union of Arabs [i.e., of a religious union simply as a means to the political unity and expansion]. His work, although spiritually poor and underdeveloped, contained a primitive urge and a huge dynamism.”

Ibn Khaldun - “Watch how all the countries of the world, when conquered by Arabs, saw their civilization being destroyed, their population scattered, even the earth of their ground destroyed”.

Muhammad was/is bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred tens of thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he was entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds justified. Muslims have copied his narcissist traits through study of his one so-called miracle - the koran. Rid the world of that book and.....


36 posted on 06/06/2009 11:26:38 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: tired1

lol


37 posted on 06/06/2009 11:26:57 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: null and void

“For some reason I am reminded of St.Francis preaching to the buzzards, vultures and other unclean birds..”

and...filthy father of lies.

Islam began as a pack of lies, lies on the continuum, and will end a lie. Spain knew them well and purged them from their country. Today they’re constantly being reminded how barbaric they were for having done such wicked thing - it’s because of this vilification that Europe won’t do anything about them today - to their detriment. Imagine one giving away ones country for fear of been looked on as ‘haters’...


38 posted on 06/06/2009 11:46:57 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: bronxville
I appreciate your scholarship. I read Robert Spencer's book so you're preaching to the choir. But recognizing Islam as the con game of a 7th century flimflam artist doesn't make it go away.
39 posted on 06/06/2009 1:01:34 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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