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A Moral Civil War: The Truth Is Millions Of Americans Believe Dr 'Baby Killer' Tiller Deserved To ..
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | June 05, 2009

Posted on 06/05/2009 10:14:07 PM PDT by Steelfish

A moral civil war: The truth is millions of Americans believe Dr 'Baby Killer' Tiller deserved to die

By DAVID JONES 06th June 2009

Somewhere beside a busy freeway in the dreary suburbs of Wichita, Kansas, there stands an anonymous, single-storey building. Its cream walls are stained by exhaust fumes and it has no external windows.

Guarded night and day by a private security patrol and CCTV cameras, and surrounded by 'No Trespassing' signs, it could be a top-security prison.

As vandals have spattered the perimeter fence with something that looks like congealed blood, it might equally be a laboratory where animal experiments are conducted.

In reality, this forbidding breeze-block rectangle is an abortion clinic - one of the most pitiful places in America.

Trading under the innocuous name of Women's Health Care Services, for more than 30 years it has served as the last resort for a wretched procession of expectant mothers who have felt compelled to terminate their pregnancies at such a late stage that the mainstream U.S. medical profession has refused to help them.

Braving a gauntlet of howling protesters who keep a daily vigil outside the clinic, banging on their car windows and brandishing gruesome placards depicting dismembered foetuses, they have journeyed here in their thousands from all over America and even abroad.

Clutching overnight bags and often wearing clothing to disguise their condition, they range from schoolgirl rape victims to far more questionable cases, such as those who claim to be suffering from depression.

They came here because they knew that Dr George Tiller, the clinic's controversial founder, seldom turned anyone away. Operating on the extreme edge of the minefield that is U.S. abortion law, his only stipulation was that clients must settle his $6,000 (£3,700) fee in full and up-front before he donned his

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortionists; georgetiller; tiller
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1 posted on 06/05/2009 10:14:07 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: cpforlife.org

Pirates vs Tiller ping


2 posted on 06/05/2009 10:17:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Gene Eric

...maybe no one’s broken up about it, that’s all.


3 posted on 06/05/2009 10:23:47 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: Steelfish

So both Civil Wars could presumably start in Kansas? Fort Sumter was not the real touchpoint, it was the battles in Kansas, including John Brown, that really hardened the lines and precipitated the war between the states.


4 posted on 06/05/2009 10:24:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("The unarmed man is not just defenseless - he is also contemptible." Machiavelli)
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To: All

This article is literally full of lies about the pro-life people. It also portrays Tiller in a, shall we say noble light; which is also untrue. It says nothing about the explanations found in the medical records about how these unwanted babies would cause irreversible damage to the the mothers, which are laughable at best, and pathetic and amoral at worst. It says nothing of the money ties Tiller had through out the Democrat party in Kansas. Tiller flaunted the law, with the help of the liberal Democrats in Kansas. It is bias and untruthful, and isn’t worth the electrons used to transmit it.


5 posted on 06/05/2009 10:26:44 PM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Steelfish

Not to get too critical, but it is not in a suburb, it is right across from the Bob Dole Wichita Veterans Administration Center, on Kellogg, US Highway 54, US Highway 400.


6 posted on 06/05/2009 10:35:31 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Steelfish; xzins; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Obama visited Buchenwald today where it was estimated that 56,000 human beings were exterminated.

Will he also visit Tiller's clinic in Wichita where by Tiller's own estimates, he exterminated over 60,000 human beings?

7 posted on 06/05/2009 10:37:18 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Steelfish

It occurred to me when I heard about tiller’s assassination that just possibly future historians might label this event “the first shot fired in CWII”. It would be very appropriate if indeed this is the case.


8 posted on 06/05/2009 10:39:09 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Elections, like erections, often have similar consequences!)
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To: Steelfish

Tiller? Dead? Yawn! Can we now move on to things that really matter?


9 posted on 06/05/2009 10:43:21 PM PDT by whatisthetruth
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To: americanophile

Just a play on the authors name: DAVID JONES


10 posted on 06/05/2009 10:53:32 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Turbo Pig

The likes of Tiller show the sophistry that characterized the opinions in the abortion cases. Roe actually forbade what Tiller did. but “Doe” allowed a health exception that gave physician carte blanc to make up stuff.


11 posted on 06/05/2009 10:53:40 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: Gene Eric

LOL


12 posted on 06/05/2009 10:56:01 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: Steelfish

Does he not realize that the entire pro-life movement condemned the murder?

BTW, does anyone find the timing of the murder odd, coming just about a week after the left-leaning Gallup Poll found a majority of Americans are pro-life, 51-42? I do.


13 posted on 06/05/2009 10:59:44 PM PDT by TBP
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To: whatisthetruth

The article mentioned that statistic of 9 abortion providers being murdered as being a terrible blight on America but never mentioned the statistic of over 40 million children being murdered in the womb.


14 posted on 06/05/2009 11:00:26 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Gene Eric

I thought you were Monkee-ing around.


15 posted on 06/05/2009 11:14:42 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("If Dick Cheney is Darth Vader, then Barack Obama is Jar-Jar Binks!")
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To: TBP

None of the sane would act, so God appointed a loon.


16 posted on 06/05/2009 11:15:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Steelfish

“Four years ago, Christin Gilbert, a 19-year-old Texan girl with Down’s syndrome, died of sepsis - an acute bacterial infection - soon after he aborted the baby she had conceived as a result of being raped.”

Remember Holly Patterson, too - died from “safe and legal” abortion.


17 posted on 06/05/2009 11:22:28 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

An abortion doesn’t make the pregnancy not to have happened to the mother, any more than a bell can be unrung. The only question in most of these cases is what care should be afforded the unborn baby. While law predating Roe usually allowed unborn rape babies to be killed, it is a virtuous mother in such a situation who, being physically capable, permits the baby to be delivered and then puts it up for adoption if she does not wish to keep it. The aftereffects of killing it are not always as kind to her as she might envision.

But anyhow, back to this poor retarded girl, she was expected to stay in the hotel and monitor herself?


18 posted on 06/05/2009 11:41:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Steelfish; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy
'I don't lose sleep over the death of anyone who pushes a needle through a crying baby's brain.'

Said by a woman in the article. That pretty well covers it.

19 posted on 06/05/2009 11:49:53 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: Steelfish

300x$6,000 in 2003 ($1.8 million)

You just don’t find dedication like this very often...

And that’s just the late term abortions...

If he truly thought he was doing the right thing, he would have hired a competent physician to verify the need for the abortions.

This guy was skating on very very thin ice and he knew it.


20 posted on 06/05/2009 11:55:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm glad Tiller is dead, and to be perfectly honest with you I can't even say I register mild disapproval of how it happened.

L

21 posted on 06/06/2009 12:00:40 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Steelfish

What kind of idiot would write this trash. This person is so far off base; it’s unbelievable.


22 posted on 06/06/2009 12:01:26 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Lurker

I am glad the abortions he performed will come to an end. I am not glad he is dead. I do not approve of how his life was ended.

We can’t proclaim to be law and order, then wink and nod when a murder advances our cause.

If we can do it, then the left can wink and nod when murders further their cause.

I’m not trying to tell others what they should think about this. I’m simply trying to be the voice of reason here.

I do realize some folks will think I’m being very unreasonable about it though.

;-)


23 posted on 06/06/2009 12:08:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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Marked to read later


24 posted on 06/06/2009 12:12:28 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: DoughtyOne
I am not glad he is dead. I do not approve of how his life was ended.

Really? I am, and quite honestly I do approve. I'll explain why in just a moment.

We can’t proclaim to be law and order, then wink and nod when a murder advances our cause.

I don't proclaim to be 'law and order'. At one time it was perfectly lawful to for human being to own another. What's your point?

I’m simply trying to be the voice of reason here.

Really? I don't believe you've used reason at all.

L

25 posted on 06/06/2009 12:19:37 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Steelfish

At $5000 per, the Tiller abortion emporium is a goldmine. A new Sweeney Todd will take over


26 posted on 06/06/2009 12:30:26 AM PDT by dennisw (Weakness is a Crime! Don't be a Criminal - Bernarr MacFadden)
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To: Lurker

Do you approve of the two recruiters being gunned down the other day?

I doubt you do. The left does.

So what you are saying, is that you think it’s perfectly okay for us to just go out and gun down people we disagree with.

I don’t. When you open it up to judge and jury party time for individual citizens, you’ll be just as vulnerable as any person you think might actually deserve it.

That’s not a good situation.


27 posted on 06/06/2009 12:32:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: Steelfish

In the old days when the nation had morals, he would have been put before a jury and hanged for killing the innocent.

So much for morality.

blessings, Bobo


28 posted on 06/06/2009 12:34:53 AM PDT by bobo1
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To: DoughtyOne
Do you approve of the two recruiters being gunned down the other day?

Remind me will you please? How many abortions did those soldiers perform? Because I really don't see what one case has to do with the other.

In Tiller's case we have a man who, after attending his 'church' was going to go to work on Monday and kill a few babies.

Those soldiers were going to go to work on Monday and sign willing volunteers into the US Military.

What the f*** does one case have to do with the other?

L

29 posted on 06/06/2009 12:39:23 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker; DoughtyOne

God did what He had to do, we having tied ourselves in knots.


30 posted on 06/06/2009 12:46:18 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Steelfish

This is from the UK. So unless he’s going to give us a review of Sharia law on this situation, he’s irrelevent.


31 posted on 06/06/2009 1:00:35 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: DoughtyOne
So what you are saying, is that you think it’s perfectly okay for us to just go out and gun down people we disagree with.

Do me a favor. Look at these images below.

Fourth Baby

That fourth baby .... how is that one any different that these other three?

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

32 posted on 06/06/2009 1:11:18 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Out of gas become a pill box, Out of ammo become a bunker, Out of hope become a hero.)
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To: Lurker

You’re making the same mistake people did several days ago, on another thread. I don’t personally think they are equivocal at all. I join you in that premise. Sadly, you and I don’t get the make the rules, when it comes to how the left sees it morally.

The left is convinced the recruiters entice young people to fight in evil wars and thereby get them killed or maimed. I don’t agree with that view, but then they aren’t going to run their plans by me for moral direction.

We need to let the courts sort this type of stuff out. Otherwise it’s open season on people with good morals, as well as those with poor morals.

For that reason, I still believe it is a very poor premise to take the law into our own hands because we feel it is warranted.


33 posted on 06/06/2009 1:58:29 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Be very careful what you attribute to God. God didn’t need a guy with known mental problems to have His will be done.


34 posted on 06/06/2009 2:00:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Millions of American powerless peons are applauding how Tiller went out. A heart attack, an auto accident or even a stroke of lightning do not have the same public impact. This kind of drama has been employed by the Lord in biblical times. He chose Roeder for a reason.


35 posted on 06/06/2009 2:05:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Centurion2000

There’s no difference, except one was evilly aborted.

As for your comment about evil, don’t you realize that some people think war is evil, and those who recruit our youth are thereby evil. I don’t agree with that, but then I am not going to be able to talk sense into those people.

We either abide by the law, or we allow open season killings to become the norm. And then frankly, all bets are off.


36 posted on 06/06/2009 2:06:15 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If it is okay for us to state that God wanted this done, and so Reoder is a big hero, then what’s to stop the left from saying God wanted those evil warmonger recruiters dead, and the guy that killed them is a big hero?

If you think you’re going to be able to do this in a vacuum, and the left will never start playing the same game with folks we respect, then you’re just not thinking this all the way through.

We cannot take the law into our own hands. If gunning down people on the street is okay, then a lot of people you respect are going to be gunned down.


37 posted on 06/06/2009 2:10:37 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Your second premise, that Roeder has to have been a “hero,” is wrong. The Lord used damned unbelievers to punish Israel many a time, including once when a random arrow from one hit a rotten Jewish king. The fact that Roeder was nuts parallels the random arrow.


38 posted on 06/06/2009 2:14:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t think the Lord was using Roeder. I think Roeder was somewhat unhinged. He reasoned that killing Tiller was a good thing to do.

I’m not faulting your premise, but to me it’s impossible to know God’s will on this. If he wanted Tiller dead, He could have stopped Tiller’s ticker any time He wanted without Roeder.


39 posted on 06/06/2009 2:20:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The Lord uses every single person every single day.


40 posted on 06/06/2009 2:23:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I’m simply trying to be the voice of reason here.”

And you are.


41 posted on 06/06/2009 2:30:03 AM PDT by Gator113 (I live in "one of the largest Muslim countries in the world." Imam Obama told me so.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The rotten king got an arrow in the guts. Tiller got a bullet in the head. Both were dramatically appropriate means of address as they arrived, although no praise or even ascription of rational purpose can go to either of those who launched them.


42 posted on 06/06/2009 2:48:46 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
He chose Roeder for a reason.

God chose Roeder to murder Tiller? What has God chosen you to do, I wonder.
43 posted on 06/06/2009 2:56:09 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

God chooses even the devil to do all manner of things within His sovereign will.


44 posted on 06/06/2009 2:59:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

And, I would hope, God has chosen me and myriad others to remind you and myriad others that He is sovereign. He can funnel the most evil and rebellious choice to any end He wants.


45 posted on 06/06/2009 3:01:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
God did what He had to do

Now you propose to know the will of God. You propose to speak for God, merely because you think the murder of Tiller is righteous. Get help.
46 posted on 06/06/2009 3:03:05 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

Your premises are screwed seven ways from Sunday.


47 posted on 06/06/2009 3:07:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Your premises are screwed seven ways from Sunday.

Its late. When you said "God did what He had to do" I thought you were referring to the murder of Tiller. Was I wrong? It is entirely possible.
48 posted on 06/06/2009 3:14:24 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

God can arrange for a poetic justice without ascribing merit to the disordered or wicked. That seems to be just what He did here. Roeder himself remains nothing more than a loon.


49 posted on 06/06/2009 3:19:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: Steelfish

Tiller still dead? What a shame,not.


50 posted on 06/06/2009 3:26:19 AM PDT by linn37 (cue the circus music the democrats are back in charge)
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