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Posted on 06/05/2009 10:14:07 PM PDT by Steelfish
A moral civil war: The truth is millions of Americans believe Dr 'Baby Killer' Tiller deserved to die
By DAVID JONES 06th June 2009
Somewhere beside a busy freeway in the dreary suburbs of Wichita, Kansas, there stands an anonymous, single-storey building. Its cream walls are stained by exhaust fumes and it has no external windows.
Guarded night and day by a private security patrol and CCTV cameras, and surrounded by 'No Trespassing' signs, it could be a top-security prison.
As vandals have spattered the perimeter fence with something that looks like congealed blood, it might equally be a laboratory where animal experiments are conducted.
In reality, this forbidding breeze-block rectangle is an abortion clinic - one of the most pitiful places in America.
Trading under the innocuous name of Women's Health Care Services, for more than 30 years it has served as the last resort for a wretched procession of expectant mothers who have felt compelled to terminate their pregnancies at such a late stage that the mainstream U.S. medical profession has refused to help them.
Braving a gauntlet of howling protesters who keep a daily vigil outside the clinic, banging on their car windows and brandishing gruesome placards depicting dismembered foetuses, they have journeyed here in their thousands from all over America and even abroad.
Clutching overnight bags and often wearing clothing to disguise their condition, they range from schoolgirl rape victims to far more questionable cases, such as those who claim to be suffering from depression.
They came here because they knew that Dr George Tiller, the clinic's controversial founder, seldom turned anyone away. Operating on the extreme edge of the minefield that is U.S. abortion law, his only stipulation was that clients must settle his $6,000 (£3,700) fee in full and up-front before he donned his
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Pirates vs Tiller ping
...maybe no one’s broken up about it, that’s all.
So both Civil Wars could presumably start in Kansas? Fort Sumter was not the real touchpoint, it was the battles in Kansas, including John Brown, that really hardened the lines and precipitated the war between the states.
This article is literally full of lies about the pro-life people. It also portrays Tiller in a, shall we say noble light; which is also untrue. It says nothing about the explanations found in the medical records about how these unwanted babies would cause irreversible damage to the the mothers, which are laughable at best, and pathetic and amoral at worst. It says nothing of the money ties Tiller had through out the Democrat party in Kansas. Tiller flaunted the law, with the help of the liberal Democrats in Kansas. It is bias and untruthful, and isn’t worth the electrons used to transmit it.
Not to get too critical, but it is not in a suburb, it is right across from the Bob Dole Wichita Veterans Administration Center, on Kellogg, US Highway 54, US Highway 400.
Will he also visit Tiller's clinic in Wichita where by Tiller's own estimates, he exterminated over 60,000 human beings?
It occurred to me when I heard about tiller’s assassination that just possibly future historians might label this event “the first shot fired in CWII”. It would be very appropriate if indeed this is the case.
Tiller? Dead? Yawn! Can we now move on to things that really matter?
Just a play on the authors name: DAVID JONES
The likes of Tiller show the sophistry that characterized the opinions in the abortion cases. Roe actually forbade what Tiller did. but “Doe” allowed a health exception that gave physician carte blanc to make up stuff.
Does he not realize that the entire pro-life movement condemned the murder?
BTW, does anyone find the timing of the murder odd, coming just about a week after the left-leaning Gallup Poll found a majority of Americans are pro-life, 51-42? I do.
The article mentioned that statistic of 9 abortion providers being murdered as being a terrible blight on America but never mentioned the statistic of over 40 million children being murdered in the womb.
I thought you were Monkee-ing around.
None of the sane would act, so God appointed a loon.
“Four years ago, Christin Gilbert, a 19-year-old Texan girl with Down’s syndrome, died of sepsis - an acute bacterial infection - soon after he aborted the baby she had conceived as a result of being raped.”
Remember Holly Patterson, too - died from “safe and legal” abortion.
An abortion doesn’t make the pregnancy not to have happened to the mother, any more than a bell can be unrung. The only question in most of these cases is what care should be afforded the unborn baby. While law predating Roe usually allowed unborn rape babies to be killed, it is a virtuous mother in such a situation who, being physically capable, permits the baby to be delivered and then puts it up for adoption if she does not wish to keep it. The aftereffects of killing it are not always as kind to her as she might envision.
But anyhow, back to this poor retarded girl, she was expected to stay in the hotel and monitor herself?
Said by a woman in the article. That pretty well covers it.
300x$6,000 in 2003 ($1.8 million)
You just don’t find dedication like this very often...
And that’s just the late term abortions...
If he truly thought he was doing the right thing, he would have hired a competent physician to verify the need for the abortions.
This guy was skating on very very thin ice and he knew it.
What kind of idiot would write this trash. This person is so far off base; it’s unbelievable.
I am glad the abortions he performed will come to an end. I am not glad he is dead. I do not approve of how his life was ended.
We can’t proclaim to be law and order, then wink and nod when a murder advances our cause.
If we can do it, then the left can wink and nod when murders further their cause.
I’m not trying to tell others what they should think about this. I’m simply trying to be the voice of reason here.
I do realize some folks will think I’m being very unreasonable about it though.
Marked to read later
Really? I am, and quite honestly I do approve. I'll explain why in just a moment.
We cant proclaim to be law and order, then wink and nod when a murder advances our cause.
I don't proclaim to be 'law and order'. At one time it was perfectly lawful to for human being to own another. What's your point?
Im simply trying to be the voice of reason here.
Really? I don't believe you've used reason at all.
At $5000 per, the Tiller abortion emporium is a goldmine. A new Sweeney Todd will take over
Do you approve of the two recruiters being gunned down the other day?
I doubt you do. The left does.
So what you are saying, is that you think it’s perfectly okay for us to just go out and gun down people we disagree with.
I don’t. When you open it up to judge and jury party time for individual citizens, you’ll be just as vulnerable as any person you think might actually deserve it.
That’s not a good situation.
In the old days when the nation had morals, he would have been put before a jury and hanged for killing the innocent.
So much for morality.
Remind me will you please? How many abortions did those soldiers perform? Because I really don't see what one case has to do with the other.
In Tiller's case we have a man who, after attending his 'church' was going to go to work on Monday and kill a few babies.
Those soldiers were going to go to work on Monday and sign willing volunteers into the US Military.
What the f*** does one case have to do with the other?
God did what He had to do, we having tied ourselves in knots.
This is from the UK. So unless he’s going to give us a review of Sharia law on this situation, he’s irrelevent.
Do me a favor. Look at these images below.
That fourth baby .... how is that one any different that these other three?
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
You’re making the same mistake people did several days ago, on another thread. I don’t personally think they are equivocal at all. I join you in that premise. Sadly, you and I don’t get the make the rules, when it comes to how the left sees it morally.
The left is convinced the recruiters entice young people to fight in evil wars and thereby get them killed or maimed. I don’t agree with that view, but then they aren’t going to run their plans by me for moral direction.
We need to let the courts sort this type of stuff out. Otherwise it’s open season on people with good morals, as well as those with poor morals.
For that reason, I still believe it is a very poor premise to take the law into our own hands because we feel it is warranted.
Be very careful what you attribute to God. God didn’t need a guy with known mental problems to have His will be done.
Millions of American powerless peons are applauding how Tiller went out. A heart attack, an auto accident or even a stroke of lightning do not have the same public impact. This kind of drama has been employed by the Lord in biblical times. He chose Roeder for a reason.
There’s no difference, except one was evilly aborted.
As for your comment about evil, don’t you realize that some people think war is evil, and those who recruit our youth are thereby evil. I don’t agree with that, but then I am not going to be able to talk sense into those people.
We either abide by the law, or we allow open season killings to become the norm. And then frankly, all bets are off.
If it is okay for us to state that God wanted this done, and so Reoder is a big hero, then what’s to stop the left from saying God wanted those evil warmonger recruiters dead, and the guy that killed them is a big hero?
If you think you’re going to be able to do this in a vacuum, and the left will never start playing the same game with folks we respect, then you’re just not thinking this all the way through.
We cannot take the law into our own hands. If gunning down people on the street is okay, then a lot of people you respect are going to be gunned down.
Your second premise, that Roeder has to have been a “hero,” is wrong. The Lord used damned unbelievers to punish Israel many a time, including once when a random arrow from one hit a rotten Jewish king. The fact that Roeder was nuts parallels the random arrow.
I don’t think the Lord was using Roeder. I think Roeder was somewhat unhinged. He reasoned that killing Tiller was a good thing to do.
I’m not faulting your premise, but to me it’s impossible to know God’s will on this. If he wanted Tiller dead, He could have stopped Tiller’s ticker any time He wanted without Roeder.
The Lord uses every single person every single day.
“Im simply trying to be the voice of reason here.”
And you are.
The rotten king got an arrow in the guts. Tiller got a bullet in the head. Both were dramatically appropriate means of address as they arrived, although no praise or even ascription of rational purpose can go to either of those who launched them.
God chooses even the devil to do all manner of things within His sovereign will.
And, I would hope, God has chosen me and myriad others to remind you and myriad others that He is sovereign. He can funnel the most evil and rebellious choice to any end He wants.
Your premises are screwed seven ways from Sunday.
God can arrange for a poetic justice without ascribing merit to the disordered or wicked. That seems to be just what He did here. Roeder himself remains nothing more than a loon.
Tiller still dead? What a shame,not.