Skip to comments.Did Obama Order George Tiller's Murder? (Article about FreeRepublic Alert)
Posted on 06/06/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by Zakeet
I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments. One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists.
But it's worth perusing the message boards of FreeRepublic, a conservative community, to gauge the general mood of the most hardcore conservatives.
First, quite a few people are saying that murder is wrong, no matter how evil the victim was.
Thou Shalt Not Murder. Both the shooter and the victim will be judged.
Pro-lifers should condemn this as antithetical to their philosophy and beliefs. Hopefully, the perpetrator will be apprehended and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I will shed no tears that Teller is gone -- but MURDER is MURDER.
Then a large group is making a more practical argument that this was bad because it will backfire. In fact, a startling large number believe Tiller was murdered by Obama or pro-choice allies in order to justify a crackdown on guns or civil liberties:
This serial-killer piece of excrement will be held up by every abortionist and every lover of abortionists as the reason why the Secret Service needs to be assigned to guard every abortionist,every abortion mill and every lover of abortions in this country.
Obama is going to take advantage of this murder to sieze even more control over our society. I would not even put it past them to commit this murder themselves, as an excuse to sieze power. Reichstag Fire, and all that...
Will form the rationalization for really stomping on pro life groups. Was it one of BO's storm troopers who pulled the trigger?
Then there's a large number of people who flat-out applaud the killing. I'm going to print a lot of them because it's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards. What's amazing is the sheer volulme of people thinking this way:
One less nazi as far as I am concerned.
Turret Gunner A20:
Hope the guy gets away....Do you think that it would have been murder to assignate Hitler? And don't say that the question has no relevance -- this crud was a leading the killer-of-innocents criminal thugs that has already killed throughout the world far more innocents that Hitler, Stalin and Mao combined. His killer did a great service when noone else would do it.
Well, at least the perp didn't rip his arms and legs off and then suck his brains out.
No doubt this 'man' is responsible for thousands, maybe tens-of-thousands of needless and wanton deaths. If you think his 'passing' is a bad thing in the cause of speaking out and ending the practice of abortion, I don't know what to tell you. I can only say that I shall not mourn his demise, nor shall I judge others.
But, wasn't this just another late term abortion(?)
It's too bad the suspect didn't poke a roto rooter through his skull and then suck him into a vacuum cleaner instead of just shooting the bastard.
Whether he will be judged as a murderer by God may be an open question, and none of us know the answer. In 1942 Reinhard Heydrich was killed in Prague in cold blood. Czech commandos committed what was by the law of the land murder. They were from a country that had surrendered and they were not in uniform. They did this because he was orchestrating the destruction of the Czech people. Did they kill a tyrant or commit murder or both? There is also the case of course of John Brown and slavery. Yes we must obey our laws, until we can no longer live with the result of not obeying them.
killing to prevent a serial killer from claiming his next victim probably doesn't fit into the category of murder...
Nothing to see here just his last abortion this one many trimesters Post Birth.
He will till no more in the bloody garden of evisceration.
What kind of "church" was this? The Wright kind?
I guess the allies should not have killed a single Nazi soldier in WWII?
It is not murder to kill someone to save someone else's life.
The shooter had to kill in order to save the lives of numerous future children. If the shooter is considered a murderer, then so are our brave soldiers. They (the soldiers) have to kill in order to save our lives from the constant threat of terrorism.
It's too bad, when murderers on the left who really did target innocent people are rewarded and lauded. This man Tiller was responsible for the horrific deaths of thousands of innocent babies, and we are supposed to be shame-faced that someone stopped him in his tracks from jabbing scissors into yet another babies' head and sucking their life out.
and from another thread:
i wouldnt feel too badly if some of the communists in our govt met a similar fate. That doesnt mean i am about to go around killing anyone, but if someone else does the deed, i wont be crying over the tainted blood of treasonous actors and infanticiders.
How about rejoicing for all the children this "Doctor" will not murder now?
I tried to get upset about this.
My bad, I guess.
God BLESS the man that killed Tiller.
It is time the left started to feel the wrath of conservatives.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Jesus said I came not to bring peace but a sword. Those who beat their swords into plows will plow for those who do not.
A people unwilling to use extreme violence to preserve their liberty deserve the tyrants that rule them. The two phrases are written over the doors of the Justice Department in DC, "Repression breeds violence" and "Where justice ends, tyranny begins"
Certainly the unborn are suffering under the boot of tyranny and are being repressed by the ungodly.
Rightous men have an obligation to change the wanton murder of the unborn.
A nation that allows the murder of the unborn deserves God's harsh judgement.
and this thread:
What goes around...
Whatever "church" Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.
Tiller Shot & Killed? Thousands of unborn children claim self defense.
he reaped what he's sowed same as anyone so evil
*shrug* Genocide has consequences.
The Sons of Liberty:
Shooting was too good for him. Too bad his body wasn't torn to pieces like his victims.
May he burn in hell for eternity.
This guy wa a monster period.
Did you cry when Dahmer got killed in the joint?
Would you worry about Manson?
nothing personal but ya'll are soft as butter.
I make no apologies whatsoever, folks here will be ill prepared for where we're headed.
I'm only surprised this didn't happen sooner, couldn't have happened to a better man, IMO.
If you TRULY believe that Abortion is murder, then you cannot condemn anyone who would do anything to stop this mass murderer from continuing in his crimes. This is where the rubber meets the road. If you call abortion murder, then this was justifiable homicide. If abortion is not murder, then Tiller was the victim of a heinous crime and his killer should be condemned.
Sometimes retaliatory force is necessary to stop initiation of force by those who are violating natural rights. Preservation of life and natural rights of the innocent is a natural duty that God requires.
If the killer just put scissors into his skull, it would be considered a late term abortion (60+ years late) and he would be a hero of the left, rather than a domestic terrorist.
I suppose if Hitler had been assassinated there would have been many "good" Germans who would have looked at the assassin as a "crazy". Let's face it - this country has lost it's soul. We live in a post-Judeo-Christian nation and it will only go down hill from here. There will certainly be many "good" Americans that lament the passing of this evil man. With a federal government, press and apostate "church" firmly entrenched in liberal secular theology we are witnessing the end of the founder's America.
It's abortion in the 272nd tri-mester (ROTFLMAO)
Post-extraction lead-induced termination.
I assume we can tell much by cheer picking comments from liberal sites too...
Being glad that Tiller is gone is different from applauding the loon who did it.
Hershey Kiss Heads?
That “MichiganConservative” post was a reply to MY post. I should get the credit for it.
I wasn’t “applauding” anything. I was applying a concept known as “dark humor”. I guess some are too dense to understand it.
Notice that Alexa left out "Go and Sin No More".
I do believe she was misled by the term "hard core" regarding FreeRepublic.
To all of you in the last group of posts: thanks for allowing your inability to reason clearly to smear us all. Why is so hard for you pinheads to understand the damage this shooter, combined with your moronic comments did to the cause?
LOLOL!!! I wonder if he typed that with a straight face? Well anyway, I wonder how long before a slew of lawsuits start coming down on FR over inciting murder, sedition, and civil rights violations?
Nice of them to collect a large sample of the pro Tiller killing comments despite the fact that they were really a minority of the comments.
I’ll say it again. Vengeance belongs to God, not some yahoo off the street.
I am in a tough spot on this in my mind.
I am glad he’s gone and glad it happened. Murder is wrong....but I can’t help feeling that way. 60,000 babies and many late term....wow!
Civility is on a downward trajectory. The enemies of freedom are maniacal and devious and are literally forcing us into socialism/fascism (whatever you want to call it). They have co-opted our media totally and are brainwashing an ignorant public.
They kill millions of babies and we’re supposed to feel bad that the murderers at Gitmo don’t have a prayer rug in the color they want.
They lie, cajole, and smear all conservative judges nominated and we run for cover because we dared point out that their nominee has stated publically that she won’t hesitate to make policy.
Folks, this game is evil and lines are being drawn.
Posted this in their comment section.
For the *list*.
There was a *vigil* held here in the Austin area for Doctor Tiller. *Mourners* gathered to pay respect and homage to their departed *hero* of women’s rights.
One attendee said, Tiller believed it was a sin to use scientific method to find problems with a woman’s pregnancy and not use medical science to rid her of the unhealthy/deformed/un-perfect fetus.
These people actually worship men such as Tiller. Gotta wonder what will happen to their souls.
Did you see how fast the Tiller story dropped from the MSM. Sure, there'll be some talking heads puffing on it a bit more, but some people are too smarmy for words.
Fur Shur the Administration is not too overwrought about it ~ guy was shot in church and they sent US Marshalls to abortion facilities. Maybe they think the other abortionists don't attend church.
What do you think? Do they go to church? Do they stand there and sing along side normal people? Are they allowed around the small children? Do you include them in your circle of friends?
Who cares what this clown says or how he tries to spin our comments? Do you really care what scumbag leftists say about pro-lifers? We would have been criticized if Tiller would have died of a heart attack or stroke, for crying out loud. This Waldman guy can go screw himself.
Thanks for you opinion.
More thanks for the ones quoted for having the guts to go public with their opinions that are not pre-approved by the State Controlled Media.
Your warning gives readers no reasonable alternative to viewing the gruesome picture.
I believe the reason the story has fell off the radar screen is that the MSM does not want people to realize exactly what Tiller was doing. They have portrayed him as an “abortion doctor” which many people may still think was a provider of first trimester abortions.
Once people begin to realize that this man made millions of dollars killing fully formed fetuses most reasonable people will be disgusted.
Many people still do not understand exactly how third trimester abortions are performed. And the MSM does not want to risk them finding out.
Actually, I care very much what scum bag leftists are able say that is believable to the broader middle. You know, the folks they pulled over the cliff with them last November? If you don't also care about that, then you have no clue how politics works. When a scumbag leftist only has to spend a little time perusing this site to extract the mother load of foolishness that he did, I care very much.
Last Sunday was the first time in over ten years of active participation on this site that I was genuinely ashamed of the what I read from fellow Freepers. The immaturity and inability to reason was very disappointing. We are fighting a major battle on for the very survival of the republic. Some of us here are handing those seeking to destroy everything we hold dear, the all the weapons and ammunition they need to permanently continue their stranglehold on power. Grow the hell up, would you?
Just imagine how much better it would have been if this character had come here seeking to find the idiotic comments he found, and instead come up empty. If I was JimRob, I'd have banned every one of you, for the good of the prolife cause, and conservatism in general.
That’s a very difficult photo to view, but one that needs to be seen. What type of an individual would willingly engage for simple profit in a line of work with that being representative of its end result?
To starve would be a million times better than engaging in something so abhorrent.
Thank you. From what I’ve seen over the past few weeks, I’m about ready to opus myself out of here.
I derive no pleasure whatsoever from either seeing it, or posting it.
The holocaust pictures are graphic...but they burn through ALL of the rationalization of the apologists to that gruesome time in history.
This set of events is even more gruesome, and much more numerous. 50 million and more.
Like the holocaust pictures, anyone with a centilla of truth, justice, and virtue running through their veins, cannot view the truth of this practice (as difficult and unsavory as it is to view) and then come away calling it good..."lawful", "a woman's "choice"...once it is exposed exactly what that choice really involves.
Braveman: A apologize for any offense.
bereanway: Thanks for your kind words.
THE GRUESOME TRUTH OF THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST & THE DEATH OF DR. TILLER [Warning: A graphic photo of death & dismemberment]
Come on, why don’t you post pictures of porn to show us how wrong that is, too? People that post pictures of aborted babies to people who ALREADY think abortion is wrong are sick. Maybe you think this gory photo is somehow AN AWESOME ARGUMENT, but it is NOT. It reminds me of the idiots that run around in public places flashing giant gorefests to children, scarring them for life, because OMG PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW. People DON’T need to see these pictures to be persuaded, the people that you are trying to reach already know that they are killing children, this sort of tactic does nothing to change their minds. Learn to make an argument with words. It will be more effective. Oh, if you used words, I don’t know what they are cause I had to squint my eyes to get past the COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY PHOTO.
I left the following comment for the bleeding hearted editor in chief of BelieveNot:
There were a total of 56,000 human beings exterminated at Buchenwald. If you believe that a fetus with hands and feet and a beating heart is a human being, then by his own statements George Tiller exterminated 60,000 human beings in his clinic in Wichita. I suppose you would like it if people like me were all teary-eyed and choked up over Tiller's execution?
I don't know whether or not his killer was a Christian or just a fed up human being who was appalled by the slaughter of the innocents. I do know, however, that I will be praying that he is acquitted of any murder charges. I suppose there are a lot of Christians who can't wait for Tiller's killer to receive the same treatment that Tiller gave to the 60,000 innocent human beings that Tiller sent to their graves.
Would you equate the graphic holocaust pictures to porn? If you would, then there is no sense continuing any type of dialog.
The holocaust was a horrific genocide that had to be exposed for what it was. Abortion is the same.
There once was a doctor from Wichita
Who aborted the children of patients he saw
And confronting his killer in church
Down the aisle this Tiller did lurch
Gurlging, “But it was legal under the law.”
You are perfectly able to leave any time someone’s comments offend you. No one is forcing you to stay.
How you like them apples?
Eventually I fear my senses will become immune to it.
Please try to be a little more judicious about posting pictures like that. You're preaching to the choir here.
I just suggested that Minn can leave the forum if Minn is upset. Sounds like you have one foot out of the door, the other would go pretty easily.
Nobody was pulled. They went knowingly and willingly. And good riddance. If they can't stand up for what's right and wrong through their votes, then I don't want them corrupting my party with their mediocre values.
If you don't also care about that, then you have no clue how politics works.
Trade my values for political votes? No thanks.
See my posts #25 and #28.
God bless you for your own stand.
When it comes to the "party of death" and their allies like George Tiller, it's perfectly sensible to think of them as "other than human", if only for your own self-protection.
Now, for your thoughts regarding the "broad middle" ~ ain't no such thing. We elect our representatives from "single member districts". Because of that the entirity of the electorate is forced to gravitate to one of two poles ~ some resist and they end up on "the fringe", not "the middle".
The description of our electoral map is called a "bi-modal saddle".
To win elections folks advocating on behalf of one pole must pull in voters from the other pole. Or, alternatively, figure out how to SUPPRESS THE VOTE for the other pole.
I think Obama succeeded in sucking in some from Republican circles, and at the same time scaring off many Conservatives with the complaint that George Bush and his crowd had spent too much, were soft on homosexuals, and had pi$$ed off the world. That's how he got more votes than McCain.
At the same time, by suppressing the vote he won many more Representatives to the House than he had anticipated.
It is up to us to encourage "the other pole of politics" to believe we are angry, fed up with their BS, and ready to roll. We must have succeeded if we could get this particular Leftwingtard, ol' what's his name, Wildman?, to bother reading our threads and classifying the comments. He may learn something.
Hey Minn, do you believe that Abortion is Murder? If so the Tiller committed 60,000 murders. He killed more human beings than the Nazi guards at Buchenwald.
Are you all teary eyed about Roeder performing a late term abortion on Tiller?
Would you like a hankie?
Nobody gets scarred for life. The human mind is quite resillient. We rise up from our baser natures. Maybe you didn’t but I have.
Hey, newbie, Minn has been here for ten years.
Don’t insult your betters.
"It's really unfair to pluck a few extreme quotes off any websites message boards."
This is your standard. Yet you you take 37 quotes from a website with 300,000 registered members to paint them as vicious crazy nuts. You are being either inconsistent or unfair.
"I'm wary of drawing too many lessons from anonymous message board comments."
I don't believe you.
"One could certainly pluck comments from Beliefnet's boards to prove that we harbor either right wing or left wing extremists."
And Steven Waldman just plucked comments to label FreeRepublic as a bad website.
Since this is only one article of yours I will refrain judgment on whether I think you have an agenda or not.
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways...."
I do understand that these pictures can turn a heart. But to be honest, I really don’t want to see any more, as I have already been convinced of the holocaust.
I will tell you that if any of those pictures end up in my inbox, I’m probably going to hit the abuse button. I don’t want to have to look at that every time I go to view my comments.
Translation: Duh, yous better duh not duh bring us duh down duh when we's duh cellebratting duh a duh murder duh.
God Bless the murdered children.
Longevity does not make one better. Otherwise, Robert Bryd would be the best senator.
Your opinion has been noted and ignored.
I guess facts are sometimes best ignored for some people.
I rarely ask that such an act be taken reserving my wrath only for the Obama Truth Squad people who sign up here and try to "guide" our discussions with their party line soundbytes.
That's why I am merely being obnoxious to Minn ~ she's been here a while, should know better, and can probably bear up under all her perceived embarrassment (which is faked I am sure). She and Wildman might think the RTL folks on FR should pause a minute and celebrate the life of George Tiller, but I don't think so!