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Despite Recent Violence, Gun Laws Are Softening(freep the poll)
parade ^ | 6 June, 2009 | Rebecca Webber

Posted on 06/06/2009 10:02:27 AM PDT by marktwain

Thirteen killed at an immigration center in New York. Eight at a nursing home in North Carolina. Five in a house in California. These were among the 57 people killed in mass shootings in a 30-day period this spring in the U.S. Meanwhile, new laws are easing restrictions on guns.

Congress recently approved a bill to allow guns in national parks. Tennessee has passed similar measures for its state parks. In South Carolina, a bill under debate would allow weapons on school grounds. Texas may welcome guns into bars. In Montana, a new law requires landlords and hotel owners to allow firearms on their premises.

The bills' supporters say these measures may actually help head off greater violence. "Crime can happen anywhere," says Andrew Arulanandam of the National Rifle Association. "The only thing that can stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun. Law enforcement can't be everywhere, so law-abiding people should have as many options as possible if and when they are attacked."

Should states loosen restrictions on guns? Yes No

View Results Gun-control advocates argue that weakening laws is disastrous. While it wouldn't necessarily lead to more mass shootings, they say, it would almost certainly increase the number of gun-related murders in the U.S. There are currently more than 11,500 each year, and America has one of the world's highest firearm homicide rates. Per capita, our rate is 39 times greater than that of England, 13 times Australia's, and 6 times Canada's.

"We have the equivalent of a Virginia Tech massacre every day in this country. It's just not all in one place," says Daniel Webster of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. "It's what happens when a person gets mad and has easy access to a gun. Someone is shot over a game of dice. Had the gun not been in their hands, no one would have died."

— Rebecca Webber


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: antigun; banglist; poll; propaganda
A stupid and silly anti-gun propaganda piece. There is a poll to freep at the article.
1 posted on 06/06/2009 10:02:27 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Possibly because the gun laws aren’t working.


2 posted on 06/06/2009 10:07:40 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: marktwain

Should states loosen restrictions on guns?

Yes 83%

No 17%


3 posted on 06/06/2009 10:08:13 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: marktwain

Yes 83%

No 17%


4 posted on 06/06/2009 10:10:01 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Hey GOP follow Dick Cheney's lead)
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To: marktwain

The intellectual dishonesty is apparent in the focus on *gun* murders. It makes no difference to the person murdered if they are killed with a gun or a rock.

Switzerland requires an “machine gun” in each house, and has a lower homicide rate than most of the rest of Europe. I notice it is not mentioned.


5 posted on 06/06/2009 10:12:53 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
"Someone is shot over a game of dice".

Well, if someone is hanging out in an alley smoking dope and rolling dice I reckon they know what the risks are.

This problem isn't caused by anyone I associate with and I'm not in the mood to suffer for it.

6 posted on 06/06/2009 10:19:00 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: bmwcyle

Yes is up to 85%


7 posted on 06/06/2009 10:27:20 AM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: marktwain
Yes 85%

No 15%

Continue the freep! Before DU jumps aboard.

8 posted on 06/06/2009 10:27:24 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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“It's what happens when a person gets mad and has easy access to a gun. Someone is shot over a game of dice. Had the gun not been in their hands, no one would have died.”


This is the old, discredited “trigger pulls the finger” model. The problem with this model is that it simply is not true. The facts do not support it. If people are willing to kill others, guns do not make it more likely. A knife will do, or a rock, or hands and feet.

The most important thing in determining what the level of violence will be in any group is the culture that they come from. Japanese in the United States, with easy access to guns, have a lower homicide rate than Japanese in Japan.

Sub-Saharan Africa has extremely high rates of homicide, as does Mexico. Take the groups from those cultures out of the mix for United States homicide rates, and our rates are right in there with most of Europe.

9 posted on 06/06/2009 10:35:37 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wow. How long before they remove the poll?


10 posted on 06/06/2009 10:36:07 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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Most of my associates were too busy working 60 or 70 hour weeks, taking care of their families, to hang out and shoot craps. If you associate with trash the smell rubs off on you. I really resent being lumped in with people I have nothing in common with.


11 posted on 06/06/2009 10:41:41 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: marktwain; 2ndDivisionVet; A knight without armor; Alexander Rubin; all the best; AmericaUnite; ...
Looking good so far. Wonder if it will get pulled?

FREEP THIS POLL ***PING!*** FRmail me if you want to be added or removed from the Fearless Poll-Freeping Freepers Ping list. And be sure to ping me to any polls that need Freepin', if I miss them. (looks like a medium volume list) (gordongekko909, founder of the pinglist, stays on the list until his ghost signs up for the list)

12 posted on 06/06/2009 10:47:43 AM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: marktwain

Up to 85% yes now


13 posted on 06/06/2009 10:50:33 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

I mean 86% Duh!


14 posted on 06/06/2009 10:50:53 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: marktwain
We have the equivalent of a Virginia Tech massacre every day in this country. It's just not all in one place," says Daniel Webster of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. "It's what happens when a person gets mad and has easy access to a gun. Someone is shot over a game of dice. Had the gun not been in their hands, no one would have died." .

No it is what happens when somebody gets ‘Dissed’.

Most of these shootings that happen today are products of inner city gang culture.

They are turf wars over drug gangs. Some are initiation killings; a gang member getting his bones.

You are not going to stop this type of killing by passing laws against guns. The people that commit these murders are no respecters of law. Quite the contrary these people hate the law and hate the police and they despise people who do as weak.

15 posted on 06/06/2009 10:53:11 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: dynachrome

Thank you for voting!

Yes 86%

No 14%


16 posted on 06/06/2009 10:58:21 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: marktwain

Freeped


17 posted on 06/06/2009 11:01:52 AM PDT by ChowChowFace
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To: Pontiac

I notice Parade does not allow comments.


18 posted on 06/06/2009 11:18:14 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
87 yes

13 no

19 posted on 06/06/2009 11:19:45 AM PDT by defal33 (Michigan: Stuck on Stupid)
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To: Dogbert41
Wow. How long before they remove the poll?


Yes. We are strong. It is all the more impressive with a push-poll like this and the false last paragraph.
20 posted on 06/06/2009 11:20:48 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
“Most of my associates were too busy working 60 or 70 hour weeks, taking care of their families, to hang out and shoot craps. If you associate with trash the smell rubs off on you. I really resent being lumped in with people I have nothing in common with.”

Majority Americans are going back to their roots on “gun control”. They remember the stories of Colonists and Cowboys who had to defend against savages. They are still Christian. For a time, this country was so successful that an elite few were able to convince us that everyone was as inherently peaceful and forgiving as we are among ourselves.

Now we have seen reality outside the wire, and people understand the need for arms.

21 posted on 06/06/2009 11:25:10 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Thirteen killed at an immigration center in New York. Eight at a nursing home in North Carolina. Five in a house in California. These were among the 57 people killed in mass shootings in a 30-day period this spring in the U.S.

Of said killings, how many were by individuals duly licensed for concealed carry? ( crickets )

22 posted on 06/06/2009 11:58:21 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: marktwain

I never have liked Parade.


23 posted on 06/06/2009 11:58:44 AM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: JimRed
Of said killings, how many were by individuals duly licensed for concealed carry? ( crickets )

I think the guy in the immigration center was.

24 posted on 06/06/2009 12:01:28 PM PDT by Pontiac (Your message here.)
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To: marktwain

89% Yes

11% No


25 posted on 06/06/2009 12:05:27 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: marktwain
Sub-Saharan Africa has extremely high rates of homicide, as does Mexico. Take the groups from those cultures out of the mix for United States homicide rates, and our rates are right in there with most of Europe.

Is that nature or nurture?

Boys with ‘warrior gene’ likely to join gangs

IQ 80-89 - Below average - This is also the I.Q. range most associated with violence. Most violent crime is committed by males from this range.

Sooner or later, gun control proponents are going to have to acknowledge the fact that "gun violence" is caused by intrinsically violent people. This will undoubtedly cost them many friends on the Left.

26 posted on 06/06/2009 12:19:26 PM PDT by bornred
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Switzerland blows the left’s arguments about guns out of the water.

Criminals will ALWAYS get the guns. All gun laws do is keep them out of the hands of responsible people.

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/guns-crime-swiss.html


27 posted on 06/06/2009 12:22:49 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: bornred
The left does not acknowledge the concept of intrinsically violent people. They refuse to believe in that reality. When confronted with it, they make excuses or put their hands over their ears and run in circles shouting “I can't hear you! LA LA LA LA LA”.
28 posted on 06/06/2009 12:31:35 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“Yes”: 89%...


29 posted on 06/06/2009 1:21:49 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: marktwain; All
Thirteen killed at an immigration center in New York. Eight at a nursing home in North Carolina. Five in a house in California

Hmmmm, no mention of any of these events.

http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/
30 posted on 06/06/2009 2:06:37 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: marktwain

Should states loosen restrictions on guns?
Yes 90%

No 10%


31 posted on 06/06/2009 2:07:28 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: marktwain; All
Thanks for all of your support. This is the sort of result that drives the anti-freedom types crazy and gains respect among the politicians.

An internet poll is not scientific, but it does measure political intensity, that quality of numbers times importance, or drive.

Here you have a poll rigged from the start with anti-freedom premises, bias, and assumptions, yet the intensity measure comes out as nine to one against the proposal, and for freedom.

Thank you all. The poll is now at 90% yes!

32 posted on 06/06/2009 2:07:58 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Despite torrential rain, umbrella sales are soaring.


33 posted on 06/06/2009 2:11:55 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

Despite torrential rain, umbrella sales are soaring.


Nailed it.


34 posted on 06/06/2009 2:25:55 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Been there.
FReeped that.
Got the T-shirt.


35 posted on 06/06/2009 3:57:41 PM PDT by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: marktwain
As of 7:21pm EDT:

92% Yes

8% No

36 posted on 06/06/2009 4:22:33 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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As of 2100 CST

93% Yes

7% No


37 posted on 06/06/2009 7:00:38 PM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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Thank you, we have already counted your vote.
Yes 93%
feedback bar
No 7%
feedback bar
Return To Poll


38 posted on 06/06/2009 7:02:28 PM PDT by Tuketu (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: marktwain

I’ve never been that naieve.


39 posted on 06/06/2009 7:08:56 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Pontiac

‘Of said killings, how many were by individuals duly licensed for concealed carry? ( crickets )’

I think the guy in the immigration center was.


No. Wong had a permit from the State of New York to buy and possess pistols, but not to carry them concealed.

Most States do not require a permit to buy a pistol. New York is one of the very few that abuse the Second Amendment this way.


40 posted on 06/06/2009 7:53:31 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wow, the truth is winning by 94% to 6%!


41 posted on 06/06/2009 8:38:08 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Still Thinking
Wow! 15 2/3 to one. I think it will get to 20 to 1. That means the anti-freedom types are the effectively marginal ones in society.
42 posted on 06/06/2009 8:55:12 PM PDT by marktwain
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freeped. 94% yeah now.


43 posted on 06/07/2009 5:45:35 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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