Pair questioned over ricin find

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[Cindy]

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"Pair questioned over ricin find"

SNIPPET: "A father and son are being questioned by anti-terrorism officers following the discovery of the poison ricin at a house in County Durham.

The find is connected to a police inquiry into alleged extreme right-wing activity.

Ian Davison, 41, and his son, Nicky, 18, were arrested on Tuesday in raids at their homes in County Durham.

The ricin, said to be 6,000 times more toxic than cyanide, will be analysed at the Porton Down government laboratory.

Police have halted their search of Mr Davison's home in Myrtle Grove, Burnopfield, until tests on the substance, found in a sealed jam jar, have been completed."

[DoughtyOne]

This is one substance that I wish the media wouldn’t talk about so much. It’s as if they were actually trying to ‘hint’ people into using it for terrorist purposes.

[Pearls Before Swine]

This is one substance that I wish the media wouldn’t talk about so much.

Doesn't it take a whole mess of castor beans to extract enough to matter?

[bgill]

We do not believe that there is any risk to public health

Famous last words. I do question why they stopped the investigation when the ricine was found. One would think the find would cause them to beef up the investigation.

[bgill]

I wouldn’t know but there’s recipes all over the internet.

[DoughtyOne]

I’m not sure how many it takes, but the less said about how to make it the better.

The media could just as easily talk about ‘a natural substance’ when revealing arrests that involve it.

They don’t mention the race of perpetrators because of the negative (so called) consequences, then rattle off the name of this substance every chance they get, making sure to tell how effective it is, and where it comes from. (generally)

[Pearls Before Swine]

I’m not sure how many it takes, but the less said about how to make it the better.

Probably so. It's not as if I'm need-to-know on this matter, and I'm pretty stable. Some others... apparently less so.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

They don’t mention the race of perpetrators because of the negative (so called) consequences, then rattle off the name of this substance every chance they get, making sure to tell how effective it is, and where it comes from. (generally)

 

UK poison plot against Asians, blacks busted

7 Jun 2009, 0106 hrs IST

ANI

 

 

LONDON: A deadly terror plot by suspected white supremacists was busted when the police recovered dangerous ricin meant to poison ethnic minorities
in the UK.

It is feared the lethal nerve toxin was intended for use as part of a biological weapon against blacks and Asians, the Daily Express reports.

The fatal agent, for which there is no antidote, is 6,000 times more poisonous than cyanide. An amount the size of a grain of salt is enough to kill an adult. During an anti-terror raid at a terraced house in Burnopfield, the police found the ricin in a jam jar in a kitchen cupboard.

Durham's assistant chief constable Mike Barton said: "This shows that the terrorist threat in the UK is real. We believe the people involved to be white supremacist extremists and one of our lines of inquiry was that they were going to target people from ethnic ­minorities."

The house in Burnopfield, and another in nearby Annfield Plain, were raided by police on Tuesday.

According to the government labs in Edinburgh, the jam jar had ­contained the ricin for up to two years.

The jar will be taken to the Ministry of Defence's chemical biological warfare labs at Porton Down, Wilts, for further tests.

[Rannug]

Nope. One bean can kill quite a number of people. I grow castor plants because they are so beautiful.

[Hank Kerchief]

“This is one substance that I wish the media wouldn’t talk about so much. It’s as if they were actually trying to ‘hint’ people into using it for terrorist purposes.”

Abrin is even more potent and grows wild all over the south and west in this country, and is much easier to process.

I knew you would hate to know this. Hatred of knowledge is a liberal trait.

Hank

[piasa]

the police found the ricin in a jam jar in a kitchen cupboard.

What a stupid bunch- storing something like that in the freaking kitchen is nuts.

[matthew fuller]

"Abrin is even more potent and grows wild all over the south and west in this country, and is much easier to process."

I have never heard of abrin (which, of course, means little) but I did read somewhere that the three deadliest poisons were Plutonium, ricin, and botulism toxin.

[DoughtyOne]

Yeah, I think you’re right about the stability thing. If you feel the need to manufacture and use this stuff, you’re a good candidate for the loony bin.

[DoughtyOne]

BTW, I didn’t mean ‘you’ specifically. I meant the general public.

[DoughtyOne]

Ahah, it was white supremacists. LOL

I guess it’s okay to mention the race within the first 48 hours then.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

Heh heh heh!

[DoughtyOne]

When one of these things is used on your family, get back to me.

[MyTwoCopperCoins]

It got me wondering... if this is such a powerful toxin, then how do they guarantee that castor oil doesn’t have any in it?

[DoughtyOne]

;-)

[DoughtyOne]

Honestly I don’t know. There must be a process that precludes the effects being transferred via the process that is used to make castor oil.

[Pearls Before Swine]

BTW, I didn’t mean ‘you’ specifically. I meant the general public.

I know.

[djf]

On average, I think if the average person was to try cooking some up, he’d end up dead - on average.

You don’t mess with stuff like this without having some background in handling and procedures.

Cook it up and store it in baby food jars...???

Yeah, right!

[Hank Kerchief]

"When one of these things is used on your family, get back to me."

Spoken like a true liberal. What a thing to wish on anyone. I'm trying prevent anyone from your family, or any other family from being poisoned. The plant grows wild and now in almost all parts of the US, including New England. It is so deadly, the bees that polinate the flowers die. Please learn what it is, because Children are particularly susceptible to the colorful deadly seeds. (Bittersweet nightshade is another attractive to children. It's ignorance that kills, not knowledge.) One seed can kill you, or one of your children, or even a pet.

Known As: Crab's Eye, Jequirity Pea, Precatory Pea or Beans, Rosary Pea, Roseary Pea
Latin Name: Abrus precatorius
Description: A vine growing up to 10 feet high with clusters of rose pink or purple flowers from 1/2-3/4 inch long. Divided leaves and brown seedpods containing shiny, red and black seeds and about 5-8 mm long. Seeds are often imported on necklaces and other decorative items.
Poisonous Parts: Seeds which contain the chemical abrin and toxalbumins. Highly toxic. One seed can kill.
Symptoms: Severe gastrointestinal irritation, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, collapse, death.
Treatment: Contact your veterinarian. Emergency measures may be used to eliminate the toxin from the stomach and intestines. However, once gastrointestinal signs appear, it may be inadvisable to try to evacuate the stomach and intestines for fear of doing even greater damage, but your veterinarian will decide this. Beyond this, care is symptomatic and supportive of the digestive upset, weakness, and shock. Affected animals are likely to die even with care.

(Included you, matthew fuller, just for the info.)

[DoughtyOne]

LMAO! What a pissie little reply. What’s the matter, did someone get their feelings hurt?

BTW, have you been speaking English long? My reply didn’t wish anything on anyone. In fact, if you did understand English you would have understood I’m trying to make sure Ricin isn’t likely to be used on anyone.

Whether you can grasp the concept or not, the global media is NOT on your side. It stands against you constantly. And it does suggest things for public use, that could kill thousands if used properly. That’s why I said what I did about Ricin.

Once you’ve got it, just curl up and die, because there isn’t any antidote.

So pretend you’re doing the public a favor by trashing people who think it best the media not mention it as often as it does.

[DoughtyOne]

What the hell is racial incitement, and why would that cause someone’s home to be searched to the point of going through their cupboard?

Did the guys make a threat or something?

It just seems weird that they went through the home and found the Ricin sitting there, two years on.

Either these two are real wing nuts or the police are sure efficient.

[08bil98z24]

Spoken like a true liberal.

One seed can kill you, or one of your children, or even a pet.

A walnut can be deadly too.

I could choke on one walnut tonight and die; one walnut can kill you, or one of your children, or even a pet.

[DoughtyOne]

Good

[Hank Kerchief]

“...the global media is NOT on your side...”

Well, who said it was.

I’m only pointing out that ignorance is never an answer. It’s the liberal’s idea to keep people dumbed down. There is nothing being published in by the MSM that is not readily available to anyone who wants it. The problem is the MSM version is often incomplete. I think it would be better for people to have more knowledge, and better. If people really knew how dangerous ricin is, for example, and how many people kill themselves with it, the chances of some idiot just, “trying it out,” would be a lot less.

And how, exactly, do you expect to control the MSM?

I’m not your enemy, by the way. We just have a difference of opinion. Hope your day is better than it sounds from your post.

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

“A walnut can be deadly too.”

Would you care to give a reference to the CDC page describing the toxicity of walnuts. The discussion is about toxins, not accidents.

(Attention spans are so short today. Sigh!)

Hank

[DoughtyOne]

What I am addressing is the tendency for people to get ideas from the media. Copycat crimes are committed all the time. And sure, people can find all the information they want about “X” on the internet, but why bring up the name all the time so that they will be encouraged to want to learn more about it?

What benefit is there for the general public to hear about an item that they can’t defend against? If there were something they should have with them all the time, or some way to detect and avoid it, by all means inform them.

Hope your day is going good too Hank.