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Shelby: Obama will destroy 'best health care system the world has ever known'
Politco.com ^ | 6/7/2009

Posted on 06/07/2009 9:45:48 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies

Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) told Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday" that President Barack Obama's proposed health care plan is the "first step in destroying the best health care system the world has ever known."

"When the government is involved more and more in the details," Shelby said, "and you start the one-pay deal and you got the government competing with private enterprise with all the incentives the government has and the power, they can destroy the marketplace for health care and it will be a mistake and the American people better be careful in what they want."

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1 posted on 06/07/2009 9:45:48 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Obama should fix Medicare first, to prove he knows how to fix something. Then, after he proves he knows how to do it, then we can talk about the larger heath care system.


2 posted on 06/07/2009 9:49:38 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Where’s the Captain Obvious graphic?


3 posted on 06/07/2009 9:50:09 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ

Unfortunately, Shelby is right but no one is listening. It’s taken years to prime the masses for government run health care and they aren’t going to back off now.


4 posted on 06/07/2009 9:53:17 AM PDT by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Russ
"they aren’t going to back off now."

0bama's actually quite the "git 'er done!" type.

5 posted on 06/07/2009 9:54:41 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Yes, we have the best health care system in the world, BUT, too many working middle class people can’t afford it.


6 posted on 06/07/2009 9:55:45 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: SAJ
Master of the Obvious
7 posted on 06/07/2009 9:56:16 AM PDT by Scutter
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Yeah, its a good system. The problem is that we can’t afford it any more. Its been that way for a while. To get costs under control, you have to get back to making people responsible for their own medical bills. Once this happens, costs will go down in a hurry as people opt for what they can afford rather than gold plated care on someone else’s dime.


8 posted on 06/07/2009 9:56:45 AM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: savedbygrace

You are right on that. Let the government fix the Health Care they are already responsible for. I love Richard Shelby. Why does it take a recovered Democrat to lead the charge? The best Republican President in my lifetime was a recovered Democrat.


9 posted on 06/07/2009 9:57:08 AM PDT by Maelstorm (There is nothing more pathetic than a Bureaucrat with no one who needs them.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

If they control your health care, they control you totally. I believe that is the plan.


10 posted on 06/07/2009 9:57:13 AM PDT by RC2
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To: SAJ

Not so obvious to many.


11 posted on 06/07/2009 9:57:36 AM PDT by Maelstorm (There is nothing more pathetic than a Bureaucrat with no one who needs them.)
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To: MrLee

I’m middle class and I have great healthcare. I even had AETNA when I was working construction and they covered me quite well.


12 posted on 06/07/2009 9:59:53 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (All we ask is to be let alone----Jefferson Davis)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I’m sure it is for Shelby. Just give us his health plan, and we’re all set.


13 posted on 06/07/2009 10:01:30 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
How can you call a system that spends more money for less results that “best” system the world has ever known?

The US spends almost 15% of GDP and only covers 85% of the population achieving lower life expectancy than any other industrialized country with a universal health care system.

The US has the worlds best university system and the medical research and medical universities are a part of that. Thus, it has the worlds most advanced medicine. This IS NOT the health care system in general. Just like manufacturing the worlds best military and high tech gadgetry IS NOT the world best manufacturing base.

The GOP had its chance for a grand bargain of Tort Reform and some form of basic health coverage for all Americans that would lower cost. W. and his GOP co-wimps blew it and now America is going to get a terrible deal that is not going to lower cost one iota.

The catastrophe that is about to happen is a result of Republican cowardice.

What Shelby is saying however is pure BS in terms of the real facts.

The German, French and Japanese systems are so far superior and cheaper as to make anyone with a clue know how laughable and Goebbel-esque propaganda based lying is going on.

So there, I called the lie. On the other hand, I don't agree with what Obama is going to do. It makes no economic sense and although it may cover a few more people, it will not improve the American system. That cant be done until the Agency problem is solved.

14 posted on 06/07/2009 10:01:50 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (I am not surprised by what Obama is and to more than a little extent we do have Bush to blame.)
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To: MrLee
Yes, we have the best health care system in the world, BUT, too many working middle class people can’t afford it.

And yet they drive cars around and take vacations and have internet and cable television. They wear new clothes, use riding lawnmowers, wear $100 sneakers... I don't buy the crap that working middle class can't afford it. They make choices, as do I, on what they spend money on.

Besides that, if they can't afford to pay for health care with the private sector running it, how will they possibly pay the government for their health care?

There are few people who can't afford health care, and there are provisions for taking care of those people. If a middle class working person doesn't have health care, it is because he chose to spend his money on something else.

15 posted on 06/07/2009 10:03:44 AM PDT by TN4Liberty (The first amendment doesn't end with "...as long as nobody is offended.")
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I live in Alabama and I was just talking the other day to my dad (who also lives in AL) about what great Senators we have (Shelby and Sessions). I think I would take those two over almost any other combo.


16 posted on 06/07/2009 10:04:10 AM PDT by camerongood210
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

I didn’t say no middle class people couldn’t afford it, but too many couldn’t. I live in Maine, a small businessman, and I can’t afford a decent policy and, being completely honest here, most of the business owners we deal with don’t have any either!! And, it seems to be getting worse.

I don’t know what the answer is....


17 posted on 06/07/2009 10:04:26 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: TN4Liberty

That’s just plain pompous bullsh*t!


18 posted on 06/07/2009 10:05:29 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
What's the word that describes Barack Hussein Obama II? What's the word that combines all these characteristics into one adjective?

That IS the fascist Barack Hussein Obama II.

19 posted on 06/07/2009 10:05:31 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: MrLee

Fair enough. We need to kick the illegals out. If it weren’t the fact that they HAVE to be given medical attention then the demand would not be so high and prices would go down. Or at least thats my simplistic view.


20 posted on 06/07/2009 10:07:49 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (All we ask is to be let alone----Jefferson Davis)
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To: MrLee
I can’t afford a decent policy

What's your income level and monthly premium?

21 posted on 06/07/2009 10:08:54 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Statement: "Shelby: Obama will destroy 'best health care system the world has ever known'"

Response: True.

22 posted on 06/07/2009 10:08:59 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: FreeSouthernAmerican

I think you’re on the right (no pun intended) track there.


23 posted on 06/07/2009 10:09:29 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“The German, French and Japanese systems are so far superior and cheaper as to make anyone with a clue know how laughable and Goebbel-esque propaganda based lying is going on.”

What do you mean?...how good are these health systems?...just curious....can you be specific?


24 posted on 06/07/2009 10:11:47 AM PDT by oust the louse (This Country now has a smelly BO problem.....)
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To: NittanyLion

This year we’re down 33% gross to a little over $5000 mo. Premium is $1200 plus...... We’re using savings to get us through til, hopefully, the economy around here improves.


25 posted on 06/07/2009 10:12:07 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: MrLee

Another question I have to though, is how monopolied are the pharmaceutical companies? Ever noticed how several medicines, while under different names are manufactured at the same facilities? And if they aren’t monopolied, is there callusion?


26 posted on 06/07/2009 10:13:10 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (All we ask is to be let alone----Jefferson Davis)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

> President Barack Obama’s proposed health care plan is the “first step in destroying the best health care system the world has ever known.”

Only if he gets elected here in New Zealand. We’re not letting him anywhere near our health care system.


27 posted on 06/07/2009 10:14:37 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: savedbygrace

Medicare is irreparable; short of setting a shelf life.


28 posted on 06/07/2009 10:18:22 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: TN4Liberty

I’ve got a great idea, there are too many food insecure people yoday; why don’t we set up a mandatory food insurance program whereby everybody pays $75/week into the plan and con then go to any market and buy whatever they want from a list of approved foods and portions.

Those who can’t pay are subsidized by the government while those who can pay still enjoy the benefits of eating the same healthful diet.

No exceptions.


29 posted on 06/07/2009 10:27:21 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: MrLee

What is the meaning of ‘can’t afford’? Does that mean you’d have to alter your lifestyle to pay the money?

Because, I’m a small businessman as well. I don’t have insurance because I don’t want to pay the money. However, I have a new car, a nice house, and a couple of big televisions that I could have lived without had I wanted to pay for insurance.

To advocate for the absolute end of freedom in the United States rather than drive an older vehicle or live in a smaller house seems very short sighted to me.


30 posted on 06/07/2009 10:28:20 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: MrLee

What’s the total of your family medical bills this past year?


31 posted on 06/07/2009 10:30:38 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

yoday -> today; con -> can


32 posted on 06/07/2009 10:31:59 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: MrLee
Something is wrong with your statement. I have yet to see or hear of anyone turned away from a hospital because they need care. But if you have any money they will eventually get it.
33 posted on 06/07/2009 10:34:55 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: oust the louse

How about this — we’ll sign on to universal health care when the implement a ten-month waiting period on therapeutic abortions.


34 posted on 06/07/2009 10:36:00 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

“GM Healthcare”


35 posted on 06/07/2009 10:41:00 AM PDT by traumer
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To: savedbygrace

Obama should fix Medicare first, to prove he knows how to fix something. Then, after he proves he knows how to do it, then we can talk about the larger heath care system.


Good point, They have a proven track record of waste, inefficiency, and poor service.

Why would anyone want to have their choice ofhealthcare replaced with the equivalent of the US Postal Service or the Dept of Motor Vehicles?!!!

Oh, and where the H*LL are they going to get the money to pay for it, oh yeah, tax us MORE!!! VAT, tax health care, tax soda, sodium, etc. Just amazing how dumbed-down our citizenry has become


36 posted on 06/07/2009 10:44:13 AM PDT by bushwon (If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it is free PJ Orourke)
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To: Maelstorm
That would be the same 'many' that can't find their collective (and collectevist) asses with both hands, a mirror, and a map on a sunny day, right?

;^)

37 posted on 06/07/2009 10:46:25 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: traumer

Shelby is nuts on this one. We are FAR from the best health care. I’m paying $1800 a month for a family policy, high deductible, limited prescriptions, very little dental or eyecare. Small business owners get screwed on health care in this country. IF Obama can make it better, more power to him.


38 posted on 06/07/2009 10:47:29 AM PDT by AUH2O Repub
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To: Scutter

Thank you, sir!


39 posted on 06/07/2009 10:48:32 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: MrLee
Premium is $1200 plus

Can you find a plan with higher deductibles / copays and a lower premium? That's how mine is structured. So long as we limit our visits to truly necessary ones, we come out way ahead.

40 posted on 06/07/2009 10:48:45 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: AUH2O Repub
In formal logic, any time one begins with a false premise (to wit, ''If Obama can make it better...''), then any conclusion at all is valid.

The Kenyan doesn't have the first intention of making it (or anything else) ''better''. He intends to see goobermint control of absolutely as many portions of your life as he can, period.

If you think otherwise, you're in for a very rude awakening, boyo. Visit the UK sometime, take a spin through the ''care'' provided by the vaunted ''National Plan''. Tell me then what you think of nationalised health care...if you survive.

41 posted on 06/07/2009 10:54:00 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I think defending the current healthcare system is a bad idea. I HATE my insurance company. I’ve always paid my premiums, I’m super healthy and they still try to screw me at every turn. Other people — including lots of conservatives — suffer under the current system.

I think offering a coherent, alternative plan would be a better approach. Where is the Republican plan?


42 posted on 06/07/2009 10:59:29 AM PDT by kate in carolina
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

With all due respect, Is health care a guaranteed right or a privilege?

I think that may determine how you define “results.” We don’t ration health care like other socialized systems do. The government is not dictating which procedures I can receive—I am in conjunction with my choice of insurance options. You put out a lot of statistics, yet I am not sure they tell the whole story.

So you define more results to spend less and cover more—we spend more because we are spending a lot more on technology than socialist systems. Technloogy that is available to the 85% as opposed to fewer under rationed systems. My daughter had an MRI done on newest machine in state of IL. It was done within 2 hours of doc determining it needed to be done. It was done by a private company that is competing with local hospitals for Imaging business. You won’t find that occuring in a socialized system.

I don’t define best by cheapest or most coverage. If I need a procedure done, I am going to go for the best doctor I can find—the most competent. We are going to lose the best and brightest if we have to emulate European health care. I have a friend whose daughter just took MCAT. I think she is nuts to want to go to 6+ years of Med school with the changes that are sadly likely to occur. My daughter a FR in college, is even reconsidering nursing/nurse practitioner career.

You mention US life expectancy being lower than any other industrialized nation—Well in fact, we have longer life expectancy than Denmark and Ireland, and if you look at the table, pretty much most industrialized nations have average life expectancy to live to late 70s.— Japan-81, Germany-78, England-78, US-77—this is not a huge difference among countries in my opinion. Life expectancy is determined by many factors besides access to health care—a lot is determined by lifestyle choices as we look at Japan and other Asian-Island nations.

You note a distinction between research, our university system, and general health care. Don’t you see that the advances in the University system become available to general health care—often immediately, always over time. In the Chicago area there are several University Hospitals that are open to the public as well as doing cutting edge research. There are constantly commercials on the radio for participating in research studies too.

I agree that Tort reform would help the system, but that won’t happen with Dem controlled government. I don’t blame what is going to happen on GOP cowardice. I believe that Bush even proposed private health care spending accounts for health insurance. That in my opinion should be the tact the GOP takes—give more choice and control to the citizenry...imagine that?!

You state that “The German, French and Japanese systems are so far superior and cheaper as to make anyone with a clue know how laughable and Goebbel-esque propaganda based lying is going on.” I really am not familiar with those systems as much as the Canadian system (lived in ND and Canadians in Fargo for med procedures was pretty common). Tell me why do you think these systems are superior and cheaper? How do you define superior and cheaper?


43 posted on 06/07/2009 11:22:07 AM PDT by bushwon (If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it is free PJ Orourke)
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To: kate in carolina
I think defending the current healthcare system is a bad idea. I HATE my insurance company. I’ve always paid my premiums, I’m super healthy and they still try to screw me at every turn. Other people — including lots of conservatives — suffer under the current system. I think offering a coherent, alternative plan would be a better approach. Where is the Republican plan?

You just described your insurance system and they do not treat you, thankfully. If you paid cash for your health treatments and not a third party you would be able to continue choosing healthcare professionals of your preference.

You might want to watch out what you wish for - socialized medicine means waiting for healthcare professionals that someone else chooses for you.

Choose wisely.

44 posted on 06/07/2009 11:23:21 AM PDT by corkoman
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

“To advocate for the absolute end of freedom in the United States rather than drive an older vehicle or live in a smaller house seems very short sighted to me.”

When did I do that??


45 posted on 06/07/2009 11:25:14 AM PDT by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Not just Obama. The major corporations are for UHC as well so that they can get rid of that benefit and make the taxpayers pay for it.


46 posted on 06/07/2009 11:29:09 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: MrLee

You didn’t do it directly, but that kind of ‘can’t afford it’ type sob story is what is being used to advocate for socialized medicine.


47 posted on 06/07/2009 11:33:50 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (The worst is behind us. Unfortunately it is really well endowed.)
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To: RC2

If they control your health care, they control you totally. I believe that is the plan.


Absolutely true.

They want to control what we drive and in WI when we fill up our tanks, that we must buckle up and must wear helmets (good ideas, but does govt have to mandate).

They tell us what type of light bulbs we have, what temperature we can live in thru giving us smart thermostats in our houses toontrol our energy. They tell us what we can listen to (Fairness Doctrine), what we can think (political correctness).

Health Care is just the final nail in the freedom and liberty coffin and people just don’t get it. Soft tyranny—so now they can tell us we must eat this and can’t eat that, must do this exercise & how often, we can have this procedure but not that. Must go to this doctor, but not that one. It is just endless.

Did I leave anything out?

Oh, and best of all, we are in debt as far as the eye can see for all future generations to pay for all this. Remember the days when the dems would say, “How are we going to pay for a tax cut? “ Well I wish they would answer how they are going to pay for a huge power grab!


48 posted on 06/07/2009 11:34:08 AM PDT by bushwon (If you think health care is expensive now, just wait till it is free PJ Orourke)
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To: AUH2O Repub

We are FAR from the best health care. I’m paying $1800 a month for a family policy, high deductible, limited prescriptions, very little dental or eyecare.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Shelby is right on the money.

I can see why you think otherwise. You have not made a good consumer decision with your policy.

You need to do some consumer research of what you are getting. I have researched when between employment and found plans in the range of $ 300 per month that cover what our family needs covered. When I was with one of the world’s largest corporations our family premiums were $ 800 per month and we had fabulous coverage. Now with my wife’s bare bones policy we pay 250 per month.

You have never been in a socialized medicine environment. If you have been in the Army you know what it can mean. Frantic phone calling for appointments weeks in advance (have to call immediately when appointment booking opened and if you didn’t get it wait for next month). Unmotivated care givers. Do you remember the Walter Reed scandal??

Socialized medicine!!!

Read about England - ambulances wait on the street with patients so their time doesn’t count against emergency room waiting time. Months of wait times in Canada for surgeries.

Obama will make it beyond miserable.


49 posted on 06/07/2009 11:35:34 AM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

If obama is going to destroy the best health care system the world has ever known, then Shelby and some of his buddies in the senate and house had better hit the airways, radio and tv and let the American public know what’s in store for them. Write articles for newspapers and magazines, if a staffer does it, read it before it leaves the office, staffers work both sides if the aisle. Tell it like it is...show some evidence of socialist health care from Canada, England, Germany and anywhere else, get some of the patients or their families on the air with them and tell....tell what is going on with their kind of care. Do something like Senator Phil Graham did, quite a few times, when hillary was trying to socialize medicine. Everytime he had a chance he’d blare out, “she’ll get health care over my dead body”, until people and the screaming media
started agreeing with him. Remember in those days, billy and hillary could do NO wrong...cause he looked and acted soo LIKE a president...until......


50 posted on 06/07/2009 11:38:49 AM PDT by tillacum
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