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Laura explains Bush 'silence' Defends Cheney
Politico ^ | 6/08.09 | By CAROL E. LEE

Posted on 06/08/2009 6:58:16 AM PDT by meandog

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To: ohioWfan

You probably paid attention to the politics of the day as good as you paid attention to my post. You didn’t address my point.

As I said, he could have gone around the press by several means, the easiest would have been to call National Addresses to the American people prime time in the Oval Office about every 2-3 months. He could have reminded people that the War on Terror was real and would take along time.

I give Bush credit for he policy of pre-emptive strikes on those supporting terror and realizing we were in a WOT. But, he failed miserably in the communiction and PR aspects of the job. That is why we now have a Pres. that thinks the WOT is over and the GOP is in total meltdown mode.


121 posted on 06/08/2009 10:24:17 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("We Are All Socialists Now"........not me, not now, not ever)
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To: ohioWfan
I guess you never listened to Tony Snow. He was magnificent.

Agreed. And his time spent among us was too brief, but sufficient unto the Lord.

But ... let me tell you what I didn't hear, for just one example ... a good public exposition of the Global Warming Hoax ... for another, A Rational Energy Policy, stressing development of domestic resources.

Let me tell you what I didn't see: a consistent, long term, solidly professional approach to Public Relations. If POTUS is not a Ronald Reagan, with his natural flair for it, that is what is needed.

Iran-Contra was far from Ronald Reagan's greatest moment, but he survived it long enough to assure that his successor in the WH was a Republican.

My admiration for GW's character and strengths remains undiminished. That doesn't make me blind enough to his human failings to suit his more hagiographic admirers.

122 posted on 06/08/2009 10:24:43 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: STARWISE

You are repeating yourself. (I won’t LOL since you might have an organic problem)


123 posted on 06/08/2009 10:25:19 AM PDT by DManA
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To: rbmillerjr
I give Bush credit for he policy of pre-emptive strikes on those supporting terror and realizing we were in a WOT. But, he failed miserably in the communiction and PR aspects of the job. That is why we now have a Pres. that thinks the WOT is over and the GOP is in total meltdown mode.

I'm sorry, but that is absolute bunk. The idea that because President Bush didn't follow your idea of how to deal with PR, we somehow got Barack Obama and the GOP failed is absolutely ludicrous.

You can't think that really, can you? I've seen that as an anti-Bush talking point here now and again, but I can't believe any thoughtful person willingly ignores the MSM slobbering, the weak candidacy of McCain, the Democrat-caused financial crisis, the baldfaced lies of Obama and every leftist out there, the limp-wristed behavior of our elected Republicans, and every other factor leading to Obama's win.

How hard do you have to work to blame Bush for this? And the more important question......WHY?

124 posted on 06/08/2009 10:30:23 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan

So, you believe Pres. Bush was an effective communicator and sold the WOT to the American people???

LOL.

Sorry, facts don’t support that view. Bush allowed the MSM to give their version of the WOT, and the American people wavered with data indicating low support for the war.


125 posted on 06/08/2009 10:34:54 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("We Are All Socialists Now"........not me, not now, not ever)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Iran-Contra was far from Ronald Reagan's greatest moment, but he survived it long enough to assure that his successor in the WH was a Republican.

Holy Cow! His successor was his VICE PRESIDENT!

You should be blaming Dick Cheney for not running, not President Bush for McCain's loss.

This need to make Reagan perfect is really unbecoming...........and denies the historic facts of the situation.

btw, those of us who are "hagiographs" according to you, are arguing history, not rose-colored memories of a man who would absolutely hate the kind of worship so common on this forum.

126 posted on 06/08/2009 10:35:21 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: TheOldLady

Being polite does not mean “approval.” The liberal drug-addled media is offering their opinion and twisting it off as Mrs. Bush’s.


127 posted on 06/08/2009 10:35:24 AM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: Just mythoughts
Yep and lord McCain is like Napoleon without a horse.

He'd have made a far better president: Courage, conviction--both demonstrated in a North Vietnamese hell hole--and, finally, the guts to use a veto pen!

128 posted on 06/08/2009 10:38:38 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: rbmillerjr
Mr. Miller, you have accused me of not reading what you posted, but it is you who are doing that to me..

You completely mischaracterized what I said. I have not even weighed in on what I think of President Bush's PR, other than to disagree that it was non-existent.

You said this.....

I give Bush credit for he policy of pre-emptive strikes on those supporting terror and realizing we were in a WOT. But, he failed miserably in the communiction and PR aspects of the job. That is why we now have a Pres. that thinks the WOT is over and the GOP is in total meltdown mode.

and it is absolute bunk.

You are ignoring all the political/historic facts that led to Obama's win in order to blame President Bush's lack of self-defense for all the ills in the world.

It's bunk.

129 posted on 06/08/2009 10:41:05 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
I meant what I said.

Palpably not...or you would not have responded in the first place.

130 posted on 06/08/2009 10:43:09 AM PDT by meandog (Doh!)
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To: ohioWfan

Yep, there were others factors as well.


131 posted on 06/08/2009 10:43:53 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("We Are All Socialists Now"........not me, not now, not ever)
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To: mupcat

Affirmative Action - yes there is. Government sanctioned discrimination is still discrimination.


132 posted on 06/08/2009 10:44:55 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Where can I take 'Austrian' lessons?)
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To: meandog

I always believed it was Laura who was behind the Harriet Myers nom and that GWB was just listening to her about that. This confirms it for me.

I still love Laura, though. She never says anything bad about anyone.


133 posted on 06/08/2009 10:50:57 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (The Reichstag has burned. Kristallnacht is coming...)
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To: meandog
He'd have made a far better president: Courage, conviction--both demonstrated in a North Vietnamese hell hole--and, finally, the guts to use a veto pen!

Only in the Sunday funny papers. He would not and could not even take on Bama face to face and his best friends on God's green earth are liberal hate America first and most. Give him a medal for his 'service' but courage to survive is the most I can ever grant him. He is just as self serving as the next liberal down the line.

134 posted on 06/08/2009 10:51:02 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: rbmillerjr
"Other factors" like the Democrat caused economic melt-down, the unprecendented media adoration and exaltation of Obama, a completely ineffective McCain candidacy (other than Palin) that consisted of non-stop Bush bashing from someone on "our side," the lack of a VP candidate as is normally the case following a two-term Presidency, a liberal media/academic/pop culture domination that inculcated the American people with white guilt.....

All those are "other factors"...........but President Bush's honorable behavior and lack of self-defense is the real cause of the Obama win.

Yeah. Right.

135 posted on 06/08/2009 10:54:56 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Deb

Deb, are you saying that the image of the office is greater than the purpose? - I don’t mean that he should become a Jimmy Carter, but there are such critical issues that need to be aired.


136 posted on 06/08/2009 10:55:11 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
The purpose of the office is to protect and defend America, and President Bush accomplished that purpose.

The purpose of the office is not to "air" anything.

137 posted on 06/08/2009 10:57:56 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: ohioWfan
This need to make Reagan perfect is really unbecoming...........and denies the historic facts of the situation.

Your rhetorical use of the "straw man" technique would make you a valuable asset on the Obamessiah speechwriting team.

Holy Cow! His successor was his VICE PRESIDENT!

Yeah. GHWB was his VP, and received an undeniable boost into the chair because of it. But he was a Republican successor nonetheless.

For the record, I don't consider Ronald Reagan a saint. IMO, He was simply the last best Republican President, replacing Eisenhower in that role. Both men had huge assets, and large flaws.

Also for your record, I think that GW, a good and true man, may well be treated much more kindly by history than by his present critics, among whom am I. But we're not in the period of calm reflection right now. It's more like damage control with the Ship of State on fire. And while GW is certainly no arsonist, he surely bears the responsibility for leaving the matches where Obama could find them.

138 posted on 06/08/2009 10:58:38 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: ohioWfan

“Other factors” like the Democrat caused economic melt-down, the unprecendented media adoration and exaltation of Obama, a completely ineffective McCain candidacy (other than Palin) that consisted of non-stop Bush bashing from someone on “our side,” the lack of a VP candidate as is normally the case following a two-term Presidency, a liberal media/academic/pop culture domination that inculcated the American people with white guilt.....”

I agree with every one of those. However, you forgot to put Anything about a very unpopular Pres. Bush in there. I’m sure that was a mere oversight on your part.


139 posted on 06/08/2009 10:59:48 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("We Are All Socialists Now"........not me, not now, not ever)
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To: GOPsterinMA
Government sanctioned discrimination is still discrimination.

In Britain, where they speak plain English from time to time, "Affirmative Action" is officially called something a good deal closer to what it actually is, i.e., "Positive Discrimination."

140 posted on 06/08/2009 11:02:33 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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