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The people that forgot time
Journal of Creation ^ | David Catchpoole, Ph.D.

Posted on 06/08/2009 8:33:45 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Isolated hunter-gatherer tribes are often viewed in the West as being primitive (pre-agriculture), not-yet-fully-evolved relics of the Stone Age.[1,2] Such people are frequently dubbed ‘The People That Time Forgot’—a concept widely recognized, even by those unfamiliar with Edgar Rice Burrough’s classic 1924 novel (or the 1977 Hollywood movie).[3]

However, faced with intriguing new evidence, anthropologists are having to completely rethink the ‘Primitive Worlds: People Lost in Time’[4] stereotype...

(Excerpt) Read more at creation.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; creation; devolve; evolution; genesis; godsgravesglyphs; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; judaism; moralabsolutes; science

1 posted on 06/08/2009 8:33:45 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/08/2009 8:34:43 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

3 posted on 06/08/2009 8:41:05 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: GodGunsGuts

Is this about Berkeley, California?


4 posted on 06/08/2009 8:43:45 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kaehurowing

Actually, the might fit into the paradigm!


5 posted on 06/08/2009 8:49:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Support the Mlabri. By a hammock.
6 posted on 06/08/2009 8:49:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: allmendream

Poor dreamer...you pictures speak volumes about your comic book mentality.


7 posted on 06/08/2009 8:51:48 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Millions have loved Edgar Rice Burrough’s work.

That you have no appreciation for it shows what an unimaginative kill joy you are.

And notice please that the cited article takes no issue with the utility of evolutionary theory to determine if the hunter gatherer population was descended from a small offshoot of the agricultural population. Amazingly useful that evolutionary theory in determining patterns of common descent.

8 posted on 06/08/2009 8:56:16 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream

Talk about a kill joy...LOL! Reread what you just wrote, mr. spock. Are you trying to use Capt. Kirk’s comic book images to seem more human again? The juxtaposition couldn’t be better...LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!


9 posted on 06/08/2009 9:18:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

10 posted on 06/08/2009 9:23:40 PM PDT by Adams
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To: GodGunsGuts

Glad you find yourself amusing.

I notice you took no exception to the utility of evolutionary theory in making a determination of common ancestry.

But maybe concepts that Edgar Rice Burroughs dwelt upon, the basic concept of human dignity and nobility possible in all people, are lost to someone like you; you think of it as a “comic book mentality”.


11 posted on 06/08/2009 9:26:30 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: Adams

Wrong picture. Some Pakunis just don’t know when to call it quits!


12 posted on 06/08/2009 9:27:53 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


13 posted on 06/08/2009 9:30:04 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: allmendream

==But maybe concepts that Edgar Rice Burroughs dwelt upon, the basic concept of human dignity and nobility possible in all people, are lost to someone like you; you think of it as a “comic book mentality”.

LOL!


14 posted on 06/08/2009 9:30:50 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Adams

Nice Land of the Lost imagry. However, in context of this article, it was the Sleestack, and not the Paku, who had culturally devolved.


15 posted on 06/08/2009 9:46:44 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So archeo-lingusitics and genetic studies *CAN* be used to establish elements of a people’s history. I’m amazed!!


16 posted on 06/09/2009 3:36:18 AM PDT by Natufian (The mesolithic wasn't so bad, was it?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
cool article.
Thank you for the ping!
17 posted on 06/09/2009 6:03:21 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Did you read the article? Sounds like reverse evolution to me.


18 posted on 06/09/2009 8:14:18 AM PDT by wildbill ( The reason you're so jealous is that the voices talk only to me.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ooooooo.....so they found a small society derived from a few cast-offs of another society....and these cast-offs have a different type of society.....and that means something to someone?

What it means to me is that you have a bunch of farmers.....who cast off a couple onto a raft down a river.....and these 2 people couldn’t farm for themselves because as any farm family knows.....you need more than 2 kids with no equipment to do the farming.

......so these couple of kids got food the way they could and eventually founded a small clan of 300 that practice the same behaviors as their 500-800 years ago ancestors did.

That sure means something.


19 posted on 06/09/2009 10:01:39 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Interesting article.

I suppose the descendents of the original two also married outside of the tribe. Otherwise, their descendents (now 300) would be highly inbred.


20 posted on 06/09/2009 9:55:25 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: allmendream
“And notice please that the cited article takes no issue with the utility of evolutionary theory to determine if the hunter gatherer population was descended from a small offshoot of the agricultural population. Amazingly useful that evolutionary theory in determining patterns of common descent.”

You may have a point. But is all biology evolution? Michael Behe and Jonathan Wells are among those who don't seem to think so. Also, as I understand it, Mendel's theories are largely independent of Darwin's theories, and Mendelian genetics was initially rejected by Darwinists. That successful (falsifiable but not falsified) Mendelian genetics has been adopted in a modern “Darwinian” synthesis may say more about the merits of Mendel's theories than about the merits of Darwin's theories.

In this particular case, change (or lack thereof) in mitochondrial DNA are used to make estimates. These estimates appear to support the “myths.” This is surprising and important to those who believed the relayed tale was a myth. Perhaps it's not so important to those who believed the relayed story.

21 posted on 06/09/2009 10:11:33 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: ChessExpert
All change in the genetics of a population is evolution by definition.

If one accepts the utility of genetic analysis to find times of common descent, as this article does, then what is the justification for accepting some findings of common ancestry and rejecting others?

There is no logical basis for doing so.

Darwin theorized that something was capable of change during inheritance. Mendel seemed to show that genetics were passed down unchanged. Once we found that the “something” was DNA, both observations make perfect sense. DNA is not only capable of change, it is impossible to keep exactly the same; yet the rate of change is so slow that Mendel's observations also make perfect sense.

The fact that scientists use both Mendel and Darwin's theories over one hundred years later; and that those who use their works are in a unprecedented golden age of discovery and utilization - goes a long way towards showing that Behe and Wells are two incompetents in the business of selling books to the credulous, and not actually producing anything of value within science.

22 posted on 06/10/2009 6:22:02 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: allmendream
Thanks for the reply.

“All change in the genetics of a population is evolution by definition.”

Mendel knew of genetic change within a population. By your definition, he was an evolutionist. But I don't think that is true.

“Behe and Wells are two incompetents in the business of selling books to the credulous”

They are not incompetent. They are no more “in the business of selling books to the credulous” than are many of the authors of the books on your bookshelf.

23 posted on 06/10/2009 7:41:50 AM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress. What is it today?)
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To: wildbill
It's not too farfetched to take the "tribal myth" version of their origin, but it's also not too farfetched to believe that they've been around for a very long time.
all of the Mlabri mitochondrial DNA turned out to be identical
An isolated population (island, or culturally insular) will through luck of the draw eventually wind up with a single surviving pool of genes here and there. Were that not true, there wouldn't be recognizable ethnic groups (most of which are of course larger than this); analogously, populations physically isolated on islands (such as the Bounty descendants on Pitcairn Island) wind up with a pretty narrow genome, and/or a single last name. :') Thanks wb.
24 posted on 06/10/2009 2:05:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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