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The gun debate (explained for liberals)
Charlotte Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 8 June, 2009 | Paul Valone

Posted on 06/09/2009 5:02:56 AM PDT by marktwain

Dear Liberal,

It’s time we talk. The debate over gun control is not about guns, it’s about culture, and here is how it works: You point to school shootings and other violence and say that it’s my fault because I support the right to keep and bear arms. I point to violent video games and sociopathic teenagers, and I say the problem is your fault, thanks to inadequately internalized values and morals.

But here’s the thing: Between guns and culture, only one thing has changed. Weapons have been in the hands of man since time immemorial. There is nothing special about semi-automatic “assault weapons.” In fact, until 1934 people could go out and buy fully automatic Thompson submachine guns, hand grenades or just about any other implement of destruction they could afford.

Admittedly, there were a limited number of mafia “hits” in which those weapons were used by unsavory characters to snuff out other unsavory characters. But I defy you to find a single instance in which a child of the 1930s took Daddy’s “Tommy Gun” to school and shot up his classroom.

We can debate merits of the 1960s another time (with pleasure), but I think we can both agree that, as a cultural standard, the innocence of “Leave It to Beaver” pretty much went the way of the dinosaur by the time of the 1968 Democratic National Convention.

Now that the flower children are all grown up (sort of) and produced self-esteem-dependent, atheistic children of their own, we are shocked to discover them to be inadequately socialized. Then, inevitably, they encounter a setback. It could be a romance gone wrong, perhaps rejection by an attractive social group. Whatever the catalyst, equipped with “my” weapons and “your” values, they cut loose on some campus somewhere.

Now, we could go the way of the Brits who, after the Dunblane massacre, banned everything in sight. Unfortunately, in this most perfect of gun control laboratories – an island nation with strict laws and tight borders – the result has been an explosion in crime…and yes, that especially includes gun crime.

It has also led their inadequately socialized post-60s kiddies to stab each other with such alarming regularity that the British have now begun to ban knives, leading us to the sad but inescapable conclusion that Brits can no longer be trusted with sharp objects.

On their present path, the nation of Winston Churchill and the “stiff upper lip” will soon ban running with scissors (if they are allowed scissors at all), and kitchen matches will be the stuff of museums, quite probably under surveillance cameras and armed guard.

Unfortunately, because you are liberal, and because liberalism seems to manifest itself as a pathological obsession to run my life, I can’t reason with you. Therefore, my only choice is to beat you. (Stop cowering: I mean metaphorically, not literally.)

My sole recourse is to marginalize you and reclaim my culture, and that is what I have set about doing. If not me, then my children. If not them, their children. We will make the Thirty Years’ War look like a trifle.

There. We’ve cleared the air. Don’t we all feel just a little better?

Sincerely,

A Conservative


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; culture; democrats; donttreadonme; guncontrol; gunfreezone; gunfreezones; liberals; shallnotbeinfringed
This is truth. The first step is to marginalize the MSM with the new media.
1 posted on 06/09/2009 5:02:56 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
one small change..

"My sole recourse is to marginalize you and reclaim my Constitutional Birthright..."

2 posted on 06/09/2009 5:07:47 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: marktwain
It’s time we talk.

There's your first mistake.

Liberals want control, not to talk about it.

3 posted on 06/09/2009 5:12:24 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: marktwain
It’s time we talk. The debate over gun control is not about guns, it’s about culture, and here is how it works: You point to school shootings and other violence and say that it’s my fault because I support the right to keep and bear arms. I point to violent video games and sociopathic teenagers, and I say the problem is your fault, thanks to inadequately internalized values and morals.

Lame. It's really about the right to life and the corollary that one has the right to self-defense. If you take away the latter, you invalidate the former.

Liberals simply do not acknowledge the right to life (or rights in general). In there minds it's the right to control _your_ life.

4 posted on 06/09/2009 5:13:02 AM PDT by Kent C
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To: marktwain

5 posted on 06/09/2009 5:14:34 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: shooter223

?


6 posted on 06/09/2009 5:17:18 AM PDT by bill1952 (Power is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: marktwain

To me liberals and democrats and their liaison with Islam in America want an unarmed America so the world domination of Muslims have minimal resistance.

They are aware that Islam is evil but have no qualms having them as partners as long as it allows them access to power. They are also unable to grasp the concept that Islam will consume them eventually.


7 posted on 06/09/2009 5:19:14 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: marktwain

Good letter


8 posted on 06/09/2009 5:24:57 AM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: All

Bump


9 posted on 06/09/2009 5:28:21 AM PDT by ibheath (Stand ready to fight the coming madness.)
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To: bill1952

Rough translation: Come and take it.


10 posted on 06/09/2009 5:36:52 AM PDT by Vor Lady (DC or bust)
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To: bill1952

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molon_labe


11 posted on 06/09/2009 5:41:30 AM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: marktwain

bump


12 posted on 06/09/2009 5:49:54 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: marktwain

Sums it up.


13 posted on 06/09/2009 5:53:45 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Better to convert enemies to allies than to destroy them)
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To: marktwain
The first step is to marginalize the MSM with the new media.
We need more networks like Fox news, the constant spew of lies form the Statists have to be answered with the truth, that always blows them away, hence they have to control the media – like everything else.
14 posted on 06/09/2009 6:47:49 AM PDT by HammerT (Buy them so they CAN'T Ban them!)
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To: Kent C; marktwain

Kent C, I think you may have confused cause and effect in your analysis. The article writer is talking about a cause, “inadequately internalized values”, while you are observing an effect of that cause, the liberal inability to recognize a fundamental right of life/self-defense. Both of you make great points, neither of them “lame”, IMO.


15 posted on 06/09/2009 6:51:03 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45
Kent C, I think you may have confused cause and effect in your analysis. The article writer is talking about a cause, “inadequately internalized values”, while you are observing an effect of that cause, the liberal inability to recognize a fundamental right of life/self-defense.

I'm not so sure. In order to internalize values in one's conceptual hierarchy, you first have to understand them and their relative importance to other concepts. The cause then is not understanding in the first place. The effect of that is not being able to internalize or operate on those values.

And part of the 'lameness' is the blaming of the lack of internalizing on video games (in the same way that the liberal blames the guns). AS IF video games were the cause. It's always the person who decides (or doesn't decide) and to make the 'cause' something external, is, imho, lame.

16 posted on 06/09/2009 7:16:42 AM PDT by Kent C
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ..
Good rant.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

17 posted on 06/09/2009 8:19:34 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: marktwain
It’s time we talk.

It's time we talk train.

Fixed

Because there will come a day, if not for us, for our children, or their children.

18 posted on 06/09/2009 8:33:34 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution - 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Joe Brower
It really is not about guns OR culture.

It is about one thing only, ----->control<----.

The remainder of the libs, those who are not privy to the control angle, those who are useful idiots, are themselves controlled by projecting their own emotion filled feelings onto gun owners, believing that they, the gun owners, are just as emotionally controlled and capable of going around and offing people because of feelings.

Screw them, all of them. Wouldn't even give em the time of day, only the finger.

19 posted on 06/09/2009 8:35:48 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
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To: going hot

You are exactly right. It has nothing to do with culture, it’s about control. The leftist media like to spin the gun issue as a cultural issue (if you live in the city you want gun control, if you live in the country you don’t). This is B.S. There are plenty of people in the cities that want guns to protect themselves with.

This is just another aspect of the left wanting to control everything about your life. Make all of your decisions for you. Guns is just another thing they want to control. Why, because they know better than you what you need, that’s why


20 posted on 06/09/2009 9:03:35 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

The gun grabbers can never seem to point to a place where Disarming the Law-abiding has worked – mainly because such a place has never existed.

My question is how are the Statists going to try initiate the process?

International treaty?

Stifling taxation on ammo?

Registration & Confiscation?

What will they try to use as the ‘Trigger’ event?

Some more mass shootings? (in those idiotic ‘gun-free’ zones no doubt)

Or a massive terrorists attack requiring the imposition of martial law?


21 posted on 06/09/2009 9:34:13 AM PDT by HammerT (Buy them so they CAN'T Ban them!)
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To: marktwain

Short and to the point.


22 posted on 06/09/2009 9:36:11 AM PDT by wastedyears (Rock and roll ain't worth the name if it don't make ya strut)
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To: HammerT

When debating the unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts, Edward Livingston said it best:

“If we are ready to violate the Constitution, will the people submit to our unauthorized acts? Sir, they ought not to submit; they would deserve the chains that our measures are forging for them, if they did not resist. “


23 posted on 06/09/2009 9:54:44 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Kent C

Everyone recognizes that even the smallest of creatures has the inalienable right to defend itself by any means it has at it’s disposal. Everyone that is except idiot liberals who somehow do deny this right only to free men.


24 posted on 06/09/2009 10:32:32 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Joe Brower

Love it...Be Ever Vigilant!


25 posted on 06/09/2009 10:33:45 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Everyone recognizes that even the smallest of creatures has the inalienable right to defend itself by any means it has at it’s disposal.

I understand your point here and you're right on the liberals idiocies. As a philosophical point, I would disagree with the use of 'right' in regards to say, animals, only because rights are derived from the unique situation of the human identity - that it is a rational and volitional being and it's survival is dependent up having the right to exercise one's mind in order to flourish.

We have no innate survival instincts or 'tools' of sharp claws, teeth, the swiftness of cheetah or agility of the gazelle. We, unfortunately for liberals, have to survive by using our minds and applying our mind to producing what is needed.

That said, (and I paraphrase a friend of mine who said) when we begin to dismantle all of the laws that have imposed a hindrance to the rights of life, liberty and property, the very last laws that will go, will be those that have to do with cruelty to animals. (and I don't consider hunting as cruel). By that time we will have a such a civil society, that it is unlikely that such laws would be necessary.

26 posted on 06/09/2009 11:11:14 AM PDT by Kent C
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To: marktwain

The signs off the side of the road near schools that say “Gun free zone” are the most dangerous places to be.
Nuff said.


27 posted on 06/09/2009 11:16:30 AM PDT by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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To: ChetNavVet
The signs off the side of the road near schools that say “Gun free zone” are the most dangerous places to be. Nuff said.

And for those businesses that post the no gun signs. For those here that haven't seen the cards that most concealed carry sites carry some variation of this:



28 posted on 06/09/2009 11:34:45 AM PDT by Kent C
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To: Old Teufel Hunden; Kent C
Guns is just another thing they want to control. Why, because they know better than you what you need, that’s why

And, as someone above pointed out, their attitudes about life are then imposed upon you (post #4).

I enjoyed the letter but the author could have picked a better villian than video games to illustrate what is sorely lacking amongst liberals: a healthy appreciation for life and all that supports it (guns being only one).

29 posted on 06/09/2009 11:39:48 PM PDT by budwiesest (Why are both of California's senators dingbats?)
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To: budwiesest; Old Teufel Hunden
Why, because they know better than you what you need, that’s why

Post #4 was me and OTH is right above. That comes from perception - someone killed - but they fail to go any further than that. They 'know better than you' because they 'fell better' (and superior) doing so. They've never made it into the world of concepts - it confuses them. So they look no further. Think 'three monkeys'.

30 posted on 06/10/2009 12:07:19 AM PDT by Kent C
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To: xcamel
Therefore, my only choice is to beat you. (Stop cower ing: I mean metaphorically, not literally.)

There. Fixed it.

31 posted on 06/10/2009 1:24:51 AM PDT by packrat01 (Hitchhikers may be escaping inmates.)
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To: shooter223
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32 posted on 06/10/2009 6:00:45 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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