Skip to comments.The gun debate (explained for liberals)
Posted on 06/09/2009 5:02:56 AM PDT by marktwain
Its time we talk. The debate over gun control is not about guns, its about culture, and here is how it works: You point to school shootings and other violence and say that its my fault because I support the right to keep and bear arms. I point to violent video games and sociopathic teenagers, and I say the problem is your fault, thanks to inadequately internalized values and morals.
But heres the thing: Between guns and culture, only one thing has changed. Weapons have been in the hands of man since time immemorial. There is nothing special about semi-automatic assault weapons. In fact, until 1934 people could go out and buy fully automatic Thompson submachine guns, hand grenades or just about any other implement of destruction they could afford.
Admittedly, there were a limited number of mafia hits in which those weapons were used by unsavory characters to snuff out other unsavory characters. But I defy you to find a single instance in which a child of the 1930s took Daddys Tommy Gun to school and shot up his classroom.
We can debate merits of the 1960s another time (with pleasure), but I think we can both agree that, as a cultural standard, the innocence of Leave It to Beaver pretty much went the way of the dinosaur by the time of the 1968 Democratic National Convention.
Now that the flower children are all grown up (sort of) and produced self-esteem-dependent, atheistic children of their own, we are shocked to discover them to be inadequately socialized. Then, inevitably, they encounter a setback. It could be a romance gone wrong, perhaps rejection by an attractive social group. Whatever the catalyst, equipped with my weapons and your values, they cut loose on some campus somewhere.
Now, we could go the way of the Brits who, after the Dunblane massacre, banned everything in sight. Unfortunately, in this most perfect of gun control laboratories an island nation with strict laws and tight borders the result has been an explosion in crime and yes, that especially includes gun crime.
It has also led their inadequately socialized post-60s kiddies to stab each other with such alarming regularity that the British have now begun to ban knives, leading us to the sad but inescapable conclusion that Brits can no longer be trusted with sharp objects.
On their present path, the nation of Winston Churchill and the stiff upper lip will soon ban running with scissors (if they are allowed scissors at all), and kitchen matches will be the stuff of museums, quite probably under surveillance cameras and armed guard.
Unfortunately, because you are liberal, and because liberalism seems to manifest itself as a pathological obsession to run my life, I cant reason with you. Therefore, my only choice is to beat you. (Stop cowering: I mean metaphorically, not literally.)
My sole recourse is to marginalize you and reclaim my culture, and that is what I have set about doing. If not me, then my children. If not them, their children. We will make the Thirty Years War look like a trifle.
There. Weve cleared the air. Dont we all feel just a little better?
"My sole recourse is to marginalize you and reclaim my Constitutional Birthright..."
There's your first mistake.
Liberals want control, not to talk about it.
Lame. It's really about the right to life and the corollary that one has the right to self-defense. If you take away the latter, you invalidate the former.
Liberals simply do not acknowledge the right to life (or rights in general). In there minds it's the right to control _your_ life.
To me liberals and democrats and their liaison with Islam in America want an unarmed America so the world domination of Muslims have minimal resistance.
They are aware that Islam is evil but have no qualms having them as partners as long as it allows them access to power. They are also unable to grasp the concept that Islam will consume them eventually.
Rough translation: Come and take it.
Sums it up.
The first step is to marginalize the MSM with the new media.We need more networks like Fox news, the constant spew of lies form the Statists have to be answered with the truth, that always blows them away, hence they have to control the media like everything else.
Kent C, I think you may have confused cause and effect in your analysis. The article writer is talking about a cause, “inadequately internalized values”, while you are observing an effect of that cause, the liberal inability to recognize a fundamental right of life/self-defense. Both of you make great points, neither of them “lame”, IMO.
I'm not so sure. In order to internalize values in one's conceptual hierarchy, you first have to understand them and their relative importance to other concepts. The cause then is not understanding in the first place. The effect of that is not being able to internalize or operate on those values.
And part of the 'lameness' is the blaming of the lack of internalizing on video games (in the same way that the liberal blames the guns). AS IF video games were the cause. It's always the person who decides (or doesn't decide) and to make the 'cause' something external, is, imho, lame.
It's time we
Because there will come a day, if not for us, for our children, or their children.
It is about one thing only, ----->control<----.
The remainder of the libs, those who are not privy to the control angle, those who are useful idiots, are themselves controlled by projecting their own emotion filled feelings onto gun owners, believing that they, the gun owners, are just as emotionally controlled and capable of going around and offing people because of feelings.
Screw them, all of them. Wouldn't even give em the time of day, only the finger.
You are exactly right. It has nothing to do with culture, it’s about control. The leftist media like to spin the gun issue as a cultural issue (if you live in the city you want gun control, if you live in the country you don’t). This is B.S. There are plenty of people in the cities that want guns to protect themselves with.
This is just another aspect of the left wanting to control everything about your life. Make all of your decisions for you. Guns is just another thing they want to control. Why, because they know better than you what you need, that’s why
The gun grabbers can never seem to point to a place where Disarming the Law-abiding has worked mainly because such a place has never existed.
My question is how are the Statists going to try initiate the process?
Stifling taxation on ammo?
Registration & Confiscation?
What will they try to use as the ‘Trigger’ event?
Some more mass shootings? (in those idiotic ‘gun-free’ zones no doubt)
Or a massive terrorists attack requiring the imposition of martial law?
Short and to the point.
When debating the unconstitutional Alien and Sedition Acts, Edward Livingston said it best:
“If we are ready to violate the Constitution, will the people submit to our unauthorized acts? Sir, they ought not to submit; they would deserve the chains that our measures are forging for them, if they did not resist. “
Everyone recognizes that even the smallest of creatures has the inalienable right to defend itself by any means it has at it’s disposal. Everyone that is except idiot liberals who somehow do deny this right only to free men.
Love it...Be Ever Vigilant!
I understand your point here and you're right on the liberals idiocies. As a philosophical point, I would disagree with the use of 'right' in regards to say, animals, only because rights are derived from the unique situation of the human identity - that it is a rational and volitional being and it's survival is dependent up having the right to exercise one's mind in order to flourish.
We have no innate survival instincts or 'tools' of sharp claws, teeth, the swiftness of cheetah or agility of the gazelle. We, unfortunately for liberals, have to survive by using our minds and applying our mind to producing what is needed.
That said, (and I paraphrase a friend of mine who said) when we begin to dismantle all of the laws that have imposed a hindrance to the rights of life, liberty and property, the very last laws that will go, will be those that have to do with cruelty to animals. (and I don't consider hunting as cruel). By that time we will have a such a civil society, that it is unlikely that such laws would be necessary.
The signs off the side of the road near schools that say “Gun free zone” are the most dangerous places to be.
And for those businesses that post the no gun signs. For those here that haven't seen the cards that most concealed carry sites carry some variation of this:
And, as someone above pointed out, their attitudes about life are then imposed upon you (post #4).
I enjoyed the letter but the author could have picked a better villian than video games to illustrate what is sorely lacking amongst liberals: a healthy appreciation for life and all that supports it (guns being only one).
Post #4 was me and OTH is right above. That comes from perception - someone killed - but they fail to go any further than that. They 'know better than you' because they 'fell better' (and superior) doing so. They've never made it into the world of concepts - it confuses them. So they look no further. Think 'three monkeys'.
There. Fixed it.