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"Gay" Family Kids 7 Times More Likely To Be Homosexual
World Net Daily ^ | June 8, 2009 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 06/09/2009 7:20:13 AM PDT by conservativegramma

(But Report Shows Researchers Concealing Information)

A licensed psychologist with both clinical and forensic practice outreaches is warning that it appears children of homosexual couples are seven times more likely to develop "non-heterosexual preferences" than other children, but lawmakers establishing policy often don't know that because the researchers have concealed their discoveries.

"Research … although not definitive, suggests that children reared by openly homosexual parents are far more likely to engage in homosexual behavior than children raised by others," said the online report by Trayce L. Hansen.

Studies she reviewed suggest children raised by homosexual or bisexual parents "are approximately seven times more likely than the general population to develop a non-heterosexual sexual preference."

The "studies thus far find that between 8 percent and 21 percent of homosexually parented children ultimately identify as non-heterosexual," the psychologist wrote. "For comparison purposes, approximately 2 percent of the general population are non-heterosexual. Therefore, if these percentages continue to hold true, children of homosexuals have a 4 to 10 times greater likelihood of developing a non-heterosexual preference than other children."

However, those researchers who found such differences "nonetheless declared in their research summaries that no differences were found," the report said.

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I know I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but, this research proves to me there is no such thing as a gay 'gene' or 'born gay'. I've said for years that being 'gay' is something that is taught. Somewhere, somehow someone has been an 'influence' on the person who has chosen a gay lifestyle. IMO this study proves it. Okay flame away.
1 posted on 06/09/2009 7:20:13 AM PDT by conservativegramma
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To: conservativegramma
Too obvious for even Captain Obvious.

Did they spend a billion dollars on this study?

2 posted on 06/09/2009 7:21:32 AM PDT by lormand (Austin - Texas lil' piece of California)
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To: conservativegramma

Sounds suspiciously like “nurture,” not “nature”.

Danger, danger, politically incorrect statement!!!!


3 posted on 06/09/2009 7:22:24 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: conservativegramma
suggests that children reared by openly homosexual parents

Seriously--this sentence should be reworded!

4 posted on 06/09/2009 7:23:13 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Kenya tell me where Obama was born?)
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To: conservativegramma

A tremendous amount of the activity that homosexual activists engage in should be seen as recruitment. The school curriculum stuff is NOT about toleranace or decreasing bullying. It’s about recruitment. The right to adopt is not about having a family. It’s about recuitment.


5 posted on 06/09/2009 7:23:14 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are a ruled people, serfs to the Federal Oligarchy -- and the Tree of Liberty thirsts)
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To: conservativegramma

Queers can’t reproduce.....they must recruit!


6 posted on 06/09/2009 7:23:16 AM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: conservativegramma

Like most everything human, I think it’s more of a gray area. Some kids are born with their brains mis-wired to be attracted to the wrong gender. Others are indoctrinated.


7 posted on 06/09/2009 7:24:08 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: conservativegramma

This is impossible! All the stories you see on 20/20 and such indicate that these kids always grow up straight, and that the absense of both a mother and father is inconsequential. And of course gays don’t recruit, and they’re never gay due to previous childhood abuse. Am I missing anything?


8 posted on 06/09/2009 7:24:59 AM PDT by scottinoc
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To: conservativegramma

Why flame you for the truth? We’re not liberals here...

I would add that that “influence” resulting in a gay adult often involves childhood sexual abuse. That study would never be allowed to be done or released, but who doubts that conclusion?


9 posted on 06/09/2009 7:25:08 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: conservativegramma

As if they needed a study to figure that out.


10 posted on 06/09/2009 7:25:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: conservativegramma

And I suppose a kid growing up is more likely to adopt the “religion” of the parents as well.

DUH...


11 posted on 06/09/2009 7:26:12 AM PDT by babygene
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To: conservativegramma

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

12 posted on 06/09/2009 7:27:27 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Kenya tell me where Obama was born?)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“Some kids are born with their brains mis-wired to be attracted to the wrong gender.”

B.S.


13 posted on 06/09/2009 7:27:45 AM PDT by babygene
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To: Kimberly GG

FYI


14 posted on 06/09/2009 7:28:18 AM PDT by raptor29
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To: conservativegramma
No flames here, you're right on.

If there were a gay gene they would be able to procreate based on Darwinism.

15 posted on 06/09/2009 7:28:19 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: conservativegramma

Actually one is gay only for the duration of the act itself; all the rest is stage dressing.


16 posted on 06/09/2009 7:28:34 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: conservativegramma
I know I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but, this research proves to me there is no such thing as a gay 'gene' or 'born gay'.

Not on this site you won't.

17 posted on 06/09/2009 7:29:19 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: conservativegramma

I think that we are all born unique. Some types are “prone” to gayness- i.e. passive or effiminate men and dominant powerful women.

If you’ve ever experienced youngsters you know that they show early on the personality traits which they’ll carry for life.

I think it is chemical. I say this because while I’m athletic and fairly aggressive, I’ve never had the “killer” instinct. After taking prednosone (steroids) for an injusry, I “got it.” I understood how the bad asses must feel. I felt like I could but my head through a wall- and I WANTED to!!


18 posted on 06/09/2009 7:29:35 AM PDT by getitright (surrender aint peace)
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To: babygene

Oh...thanks. That clarifies everything.


19 posted on 06/09/2009 7:30:13 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

“I was reared by homosexuals and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.”


20 posted on 06/09/2009 7:30:42 AM PDT by Sloth (The Second Amendment is the ultimate "term limit.")
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To: conservativegramma

DUH?........


21 posted on 06/09/2009 7:30:51 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: conservativegramma

I think it works both ways. I have met gay men who told me that they were seduced when they were twelve or thirteen, and they regret it very much. There are other people—not many—whose brains and hormones are messed up.

There is a young person who works at a local store. This unfortunate boy/man/whatever has all the physical attributes of a woman: soft skin, no beard, no Adam’s apple, a woman’s hairline, wide hips, narrow rounded shoulders, and a woman’s voice. But he has male genitals. This is his body, and he can’t help it. It’s very sad. Of course he is gay and has been attracted to males since his earliest childhood, just as most of us are attracted to the opposite sex since childhood.

We all know that people are born with malfunctioning stomachs, or congenital defects of the heart, the liver, the kidneys; it should not be a stretch to think they might be born with a defect in the brain.

This is not a flame. In general I agree with you that gays are made, not born. And an effeminate appearance does not mean a male is gay; I have known delicate, lovely, fey-looking young men who were hell on the ladies and would fight to the last drop of blood for this country.


22 posted on 06/09/2009 7:31:01 AM PDT by ottbmare (Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Obama! (If you're old enough, you'll understand the reference))
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To: conservativegramma
I know I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but, this research proves to me there is no such thing as a gay 'gene' or 'born gay'.

You hate-monger gay-bashing homophobe! How dare you state obvious conclusions which contradict settled 'facts'.

23 posted on 06/09/2009 7:31:09 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: conservativegramma

For the most part I agree but I do believe there is a tiny minority of gays who really are born that way. I doubt it’s genetic but there is definitely something different in their brains. My long lost friend who recently turned up and announced he was gay didn’t really surpise me at all.

Despite being gay I suspect that my friend would agree with the beliefe that gay “families” produce gay offspring through conditioning. He did state very clearly to me that he believes a child needs to grow up in a normal home with a male mother and a female father.


24 posted on 06/09/2009 7:31:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: conservativegramma

Gee,this kinda shoots down the old “it’s not a choice..I was born this way” argument.


25 posted on 06/09/2009 7:32:00 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree
Seriously--this sentence should be reworded!

Or maybe that is what they literally meant!

26 posted on 06/09/2009 7:32:07 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: conservativegramma

The study is very interesting - let’s see how much publicity it receives.

I never quite understood why saying homosexuality os genetic would dispose of the whole gay rights issue. Many behaviors are thought to have a genetic component, from left-handedness to obesity to alcoholism to pedophilia. Even assuming a genetic cause, society still has to decide whether the behavior is harmful or not.


27 posted on 06/09/2009 7:32:29 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: conservativegramma

Gays can’t have kids - they only hold other people’s offspring hostage.


28 posted on 06/09/2009 7:33:25 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: conservativegramma

“develop a non-heterosexual sexual preference.”

b-b-b-but I thought they were born that way! Jeez, the mere fact they’re doing the research to see if kids of homosexual parents “turn out” homosexual answers the question on the “gay gene”. Argh.

Colonel, USAFR


29 posted on 06/09/2009 7:34:26 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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Even assuming a genetic cause, society still has to decide whether the behavior is harmful or not.

Very well said!

30 posted on 06/09/2009 7:37:30 AM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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The more apt comparison would be children of homosexual parent(s) raised by homosexuals and the children of homosexual parent(s) raised by heterosexuals.

The comparison, as stated, does nothing to separate out genetic or environmental factors.

It would be like saying that children raised by parent(s) with skin cancer are seven times more likely to have skin cancer some time in their life; is it genetic (pale skin, genetic predisposition), environmental (live in Arizona), or behavioral (the family likes to do things outside and doesn't use sunscreen)?

31 posted on 06/09/2009 7:37:54 AM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: getitright

On the other hand, four of my good friends - men who are completely hetero, with strong, long marriages and children - have effeminite characteristics. Two of them are fellow Air Force Reserve colonels.

Colonel, USAFR


32 posted on 06/09/2009 7:38:32 AM PDT by jagusafr (Kill the red lizard, Lord! - nod to C.S. Lewis)
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I disagree- while there is a certain portion who CHOOSE the lifestyle, and would be glad to TEACH it to others, there is certainly a genetic factor.

I was at a park once enjoying the sunshine when a lesbian oprganization started a meeting and was blasting “music” that had a narrator saying things like “a typical male rapes 4 women in his lifetime” and “a typical male beat up his wife twice a week” and stuff like that.

I started to walk over and ask if they really believe these things and I was stunned. They LOOKED like males with chort hair and I swear somehad beards. You did not even get the vibe that you were around women- you would have thought they were all men except for the boobs.

It convinced me then and there that there had to be a genetic component.

I am not saying there ar not ‘pretty’ lesbians but man this group scared the crap out of me and I am 6’4, 220 and played linebacker.


33 posted on 06/09/2009 7:41:27 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unabel to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: conservativegramma

Thanks - and there’s something very disturbing to me about somehow saying behavior “can’t be helped.” At an extreme, ALL laws, including those against murder, rape and theft, seek to channel what some may consider “natural instincts.”


34 posted on 06/09/2009 7:41:32 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: conservativegramma

“Many of these researchers, as well as others, admit that acknowledging differences between homosexually- and heterosexually-parented children would be detrimental to their goals of wide-spread social acceptance of same-sex marriage, homosexual adoption, homosexual foster parenting, etc.”

“Homosexuals, and others who support their cause, understandably desire social and legal acceptance of their lifestyles and partnerships. One of the methods for achieving that goal is to convince the public that homosexual parenting isn’t detrimental to children. Concealing and/or downplaying research findings which reveal that children raised by homosexuals are different in fundamental ways from other children, is part of that socio-political agenda intended to sway voters and judges,” she said.


35 posted on 06/09/2009 7:42:25 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: conservativegramma
I don't see a need to fire back at you... YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!

I have also always said that it's a choice to be gay. I think that homosexuals should NEVER be allowed to adopt or raise children.

36 posted on 06/09/2009 7:42:57 AM PDT by Mind Freed ("Every man has the right to be a fool 5 minutes a day. Wisdom is not exceeding the limit.")
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37 posted on 06/09/2009 7:44:00 AM PDT by Vasilli22
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To: cripplecreek

“a child needs to grow up in a normal home with a male mother and a female father.”

He told you that? Man! That’s really gay!


38 posted on 06/09/2009 7:44:37 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: conservativegramma

sorry to burst your bubble, but if you’ve ever been around research and study how research is done, you’ll find that a lot of it is bogus to begin with, especially since you aren’t reading the actual research report but reading a so called analysis from a conservative source. The main point is to be careful when you read such reports from either left or right or mainstream (typically left) papers. They over simplify the results and those writing these articles have no understanding of how research is done.

This isn’t to say that gay parents can or can’t have an effect on how a kid grows up but I’d take this with a grain of salt at this point until.


39 posted on 06/09/2009 7:45:32 AM PDT by MAD-AS-HELL (Hope and Change. Rhetoric embraced by the Insane - Obama, The Chump in Charge)
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...there is certainly a genetic factor...They LOOKED like males with chort hair and I swear somehad beards.

Massive testosterone injections will produce this result in the absence of a "genetic factor."

40 posted on 06/09/2009 7:46:32 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

LOL did I say that?

He said a child needs to grow up in a normal traditional home. LOL Again.


41 posted on 06/09/2009 7:47:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: conservativegramma

Are they conflating the biological children of gay (LGBT) people with children only raised by gays?

Whatever the case, most social properties are found to arise from an interplay of biology, environment, and individual choice.

Picture a dog on a leash, with a given characteristic (like IQ) expressed by the position of the dog in your yard. Our genetics determines where the post the leash is tied to is located, as well as the length of the leash (with the length of the leash not varying much within a particular species). The surrounding environment dictates areas the dog is more likely to go within its leash-range (shade under a tree, water in a bowl, another dog to bark at in the yard adjoining to the west, a mailbox just out of reach to the north) and areas the dog cannot go (like a closed shed or fenced in garden, or areas beyond a perimeter fence). And within that post+leash+environment, the decisions made by the dog are responsible for its precise position. In this analogy, the leash is very long, the yard is very large, and the environment is very richly varied.

If being gay is the equivalent of the dog being in a certain location within the yard, then a dog whose post is planted closer to that position has a greater likelihood of finding himself there. A dog whose environment includes some reward for going to that location (like a water bowl located nearby) is more likely to end up there. And sometimes, despite the post being far away and that spot being occupied by only a fire ant mound, the dog will end up there anyway.

Always be leery of determinism - either biological determinism or social determinism. Determinism is ultimately a tool used by tyrants to imbue their machinations with “scientific” backing and ultimately supplant individualism and notions of personal responsibility with collectivism (either eugenics or dysgenics) or welfarism/social engineering. This goes for social determinism (like chalking up individual success to a summation of supposed “privileges” and failures to “institutional racism”) just as it goes for “racial hygiene”.


42 posted on 06/09/2009 7:49:30 AM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: conservativegramma

Thanks.

Good for my students who get so much propaganda about it all.


43 posted on 06/09/2009 7:51:23 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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I think being Gay is like being an alcoholic its not something that you are born doing but it is something that you are born with a predisposition for.


44 posted on 06/09/2009 7:52:29 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: conservativegramma

Flame you for asserting something that has never been proven - a “gay gene?”


45 posted on 06/09/2009 7:53:40 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: ClearCase_guy

Quite right... teaching kids not to Bully needs no detailed explanation of nor praising for different families. We don’t praise obesity when we tell kids not to pick on overweight kids..


46 posted on 06/09/2009 7:53:52 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: conservativegramma

http://www.collinsreport.net/2009/05/21/american-psychological-association-has-doubts-on-existence-of-%e2%80%9cgay%e2%80%9d-gene-everything-changes/
covers it


47 posted on 06/09/2009 7:53:54 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: N3WBI3

Feel sorry for and lift up those in bad situations and don’t tear them down,
but that doesn’t mean you have to “celebrate” their condition.


48 posted on 06/09/2009 7:55:50 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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I disagree- while there is a certain portion who CHOOSE the lifestyle, and would be glad to TEACH it to others, there is certainly a genetic factor.

I certainly appreciate your viewpoint and your insight. With that said, I still would say the same thing in response: I disagree.

IF there is any sort of genetic factor or shall we say 'chemical' haywires in the brain its going to come from the following:

"24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,"

The above is from the New Testament: Romans Chapter 1 (verses marked) - NASV version. Pretty clear what causes this abnormality. And its a sobering warning as well.

49 posted on 06/09/2009 7:59:14 AM PDT by conservativegramma ((No taxation without constitutional representation!))
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On the other hand, four of my good friends - men who are completely hetero, with strong, long marriages and children - have effeminite characteristics.

This is a very valid point. What most don't realize is there are more effeminate heterosexual men than homosexual. Apparently misinformation and mistaken beliefs (perhaps best defined as old wives' tales) have brainwashed many into believing effeminate behavior implies homosexuality. If somebody isn't sure what is meant by old wives' tales, check this out.

If somebody believes homosexuals are born that way, they are not at all familiar with the science of homosexuality. There is no evidence or research that claims homosexuality is genetic. There is no genetic test, experimental or otherwise that can determine one's sexual orientation.

50 posted on 06/09/2009 8:02:38 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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