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Tysons Corner ad shocks Vietnam vets [Mockery of Vietnam Memorial]
Washington Examiner ^ | Michael Neibauer

Posted on 06/09/2009 12:54:57 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com

Prominent Vietnam veterans and their families are appalled by an advertisement for a major local mall that shows a woman in front of a wall that strongly resembles the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, with the names of the center’s stores appearing instead of the names of the war dead.

Tysons Corner Center reacted quickly to condemnation from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund and ordered the immediate removal of 440 of the ads from the Metrorail cars where they have been posted, mall spokeswoman Allison Fischer said Tuesday afternoon.

The Tysons ad features a black granite wall engraved with a list of shops over the slogan, “It’s time to defrost.” The store names are presented in virtually the same font on a highly reflective surface like the Vietnam Memorial. There is an image in the background of a what could be a rose, a flower commonly left at the Wall.

“There’s no question my generation will see this as The Wall,” said Marshall Carter, chairman of the New York Stock Exchange and a veteran of two tours in Vietnam. “There’s no getting around it. It jumps right off the page.”

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: ads; fairfaxcounty; mall; memorialwall; retail; tysonscorner; vietnamvets
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1 posted on 06/09/2009 12:54:57 PM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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To: onedoug

That’s the best idea they could come up with?


2 posted on 06/09/2009 12:57:11 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (The black man is keeping me down!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Such ads are becoming more common. Doesn’t the management of these companies review the ads before giving Marketing the go-ahead? Somewhere in Tysons Corner, someone must have given a thumbs-up to the contrated advertising company telling them to go ahead. And when that person is identified, he/she should be fired without delay. and his/her boss as well.


3 posted on 06/09/2009 12:59:13 PM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Someone needs to get a grip. I think this is probably a waste of energy.


4 posted on 06/09/2009 12:59:59 PM PDT by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter(the Godfather of Terror) allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
You. Have. Got. To. Be. Kidding. Me.

How could someone POSSIBLY be SO IGNORANT of our HISOTRY and monuments commemorating the ultimate sacrifice or our GREATEST AMERICANS???

Think about this, though, it's not like just one person created this ad. It would've had to have been created, approved, and reviewed by the ad agency, and then reviewed and approved by the marketing dept. of Tysons.

And no one picked up on that?

This isn't a case of it being similar. It's not evocative. It's vaguely identical.

5 posted on 06/09/2009 1:00:04 PM PDT by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Clueless liberal ad agency spreadin’ their hate disguised as an ad campaign. This one is blatant.


6 posted on 06/09/2009 1:00:37 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: stylecouncilor

“Shoes for Industry.Shoes for the dead.
What chance does a returning deceased veteran have
for that new mule he’s been dreaming about.”


7 posted on 06/09/2009 1:01:06 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

There are at least a few people in an ad agency and a property management firm somewhere who don’t have a clue.


8 posted on 06/09/2009 1:01:41 PM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Sorta keeping in the contemporary notion of Memorial Day being nothing more than a day off to ring in the spring with a big shopping day and backyard BBQ’s.

A common complaint of our aging ( and disappearing ) WWII veterans ).


9 posted on 06/09/2009 1:02:09 PM PDT by Dixiekraut
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To: RatherBiased.com

That’s it?
That’s the “mockery”?

Sure, it looks somewhat like The Vietnam Memorial.

So, are we supposed to forever avoid the use of a black wall with words on it?

Sorry.
I don’t see a deliberate attempt to copy nor mock The Vietnam Memorial.

We have better (real) battles to fight.


10 posted on 06/09/2009 1:02:37 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: RatherBiased.com

Ah, what does “True Religion” sell?


11 posted on 06/09/2009 1:04:06 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SJSAMPLE
The reflection in the wall makes the mocking very obvious to see.
12 posted on 06/09/2009 1:05:21 PM PDT by Vision (Obama is a jive turkey)
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To: SJSAMPLE

> Sorry.
> I don’t see a deliberate attempt to copy nor mock The Vietnam Memorial.

Sorry... I can see it: it’s as obvious as dog’s bollix. And I’m a foreigner. If a foreigner can see it, surely every Yank in America can see it.


13 posted on 06/09/2009 1:05:29 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: DManA

Jeans


14 posted on 06/09/2009 1:06:01 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: SJSAMPLE
So, are we supposed to forever avoid the use of a black wall with words on it?

You're not from around here, are you?

15 posted on 06/09/2009 1:06:45 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: RatherBiased.com

It’s Obama Time.


16 posted on 06/09/2009 1:06:51 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: SJSAMPLE

very poor taste, especially in the eyes of Vets. just unnecessary.


17 posted on 06/09/2009 1:06:56 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: HIDEK6

Yes, I am.
For about eight years now.

My skin’s just not so thin.


18 posted on 06/09/2009 1:07:18 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: RatherBiased.com

I didn’t realize Hussein Obimbo had taken over the Advertising Industry also.

That little moslem would do something exactly like this.


19 posted on 06/09/2009 1:08:58 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (The United States - surrendering to Sharia without a peep.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
For about eight years now.

Oh.

You wouldn't understand, then.

20 posted on 06/09/2009 1:10:25 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: FourPeas

(in air-head, valley girl-ese)

Well...shopping is kinda sorta like, like ya know war...ya know? </sarc>


21 posted on 06/09/2009 1:10:52 PM PDT by Mister Muggles
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To: Owl_Eagle

Screw those traitorous maggots.

Here’s how life SHOULD be:

http://www.herald-mail.com/?cmd=displaystory&story_id=224549

[Proudly rode for my 16th year]

Sal “Salute Our Heroes!” Amander


22 posted on 06/09/2009 1:11:01 PM PDT by Salamander (Cursed with Second Sight.)
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To: stylecouncilor

I’m not sure what “It’s time to defrost” means, but I expect pseudo-sophisticated tackiness from Tyson’s Corner.


23 posted on 06/09/2009 1:11:21 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Nice.


24 posted on 06/09/2009 1:12:38 PM PDT by DManA
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To: SJSAMPLE

I have as much contempt for you as I do for them. Bet you were ever in da Nam.


25 posted on 06/09/2009 1:13:34 PM PDT by Rannug
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To: HIDEK6

As a veteran and somebody who’s been to The Wall, I understand very well.

When the wall was approved, it was universally derided by veterans and veterans groups. Overall, the design was HATED.

However, it was visiting veterans and the actual interaction with the wall that made it popular and meaningful. Try doing the same thing with almost any other war memorial.

I see this as an incidental infringement (if that) and nothing intentional (which is what would be required to make it a true “mockery”).


26 posted on 06/09/2009 1:13:57 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: SJSAMPLE

I think it’s offensive. And it wouldn’t be tolerated if the memorial were for a group other than veterans.
Which battles do you think we should spend our time in fighting?


27 posted on 06/09/2009 1:14:34 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: RatherBiased.com

Incredible that something so disgusting could make it into the public eye in the first place. Also incredible that anybody could call people who object to this outrage “thin-skinned”.


28 posted on 06/09/2009 1:14:52 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: SJSAMPLE

Mine is.


29 posted on 06/09/2009 1:15:36 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: RatherBiased.com

I bet I could describe the person that created this mess to a tee....


31 posted on 06/09/2009 1:16:13 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: ElayneJ

Real ones.
Support for our soldiers.
Care for our veterans.
Protection and enforcement of our borders.

Things that actually mean something, instead of imagined symbolism.


32 posted on 06/09/2009 1:16:58 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: w1andsodidwe

I’m offended by it.


33 posted on 06/09/2009 1:18:24 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Better to convert enemies to allies than to destroy them)
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To: advertising guy

*ping for your opinion*


34 posted on 06/09/2009 1:18:49 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: RatherBiased.com

This ad strikes me as likely to offend patriots AND peaceniks. Pretty dumb.


35 posted on 06/09/2009 1:20:21 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SJSAMPLE

> Things that actually mean something, instead of imagined symbolism.

American symbolism is very powerful stuff. Few (if any) countries have more symbolism, or convey more meaning by their symbols than do Americans.

I think one meddles with American symbolism at one’s peril. As this ad agency has found.


36 posted on 06/09/2009 1:20:41 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

I agree with you.


37 posted on 06/09/2009 1:20:47 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Unbelieveable, I’m not a Vietnam vet and it’s pretty obvious to me what they were going for. UFB


38 posted on 06/09/2009 1:21:16 PM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new enviromentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: RatherBiased.com

I can’t say it “mocks” the Vietnam Memorial, but it sure looks wayyyyy too similar to be appropriate.


39 posted on 06/09/2009 1:22:00 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: RatherBiased.com
I used to work in mall advertising. I can totally see this ad agency thinking this was cute and clever. Most of them have never even met a military veteran, so they would be clueless as to how this would be perceived. And if you heard my stories of how the people at the agency I used to work at treated a military vet, you'd be spitting mad.

As to the copywriter? Dude, you need to turn it up a notch. "It's time to defrost?" Lame. Haven't you heard of Global Warming (TM)?

40 posted on 06/09/2009 1:22:38 PM PDT by ponygirl ("Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.")
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To: SJSAMPLE

I think The Wall has been a failure in the eyes of those who designed it.

I think it was meant to be hated, as it was in the beginning.


41 posted on 06/09/2009 1:23:12 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries for the American farmer.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
They have received more attention from the controversy then they paid for it.
42 posted on 06/09/2009 1:24:29 PM PDT by Brytani (DC Freeper Convention and National Tea Party - FreepMail Me for rooms and convention info!)
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To: RatherBiased.com
What's next, having a picture of mall shoppers posed to look like the Marines who raised the flag at Iwo Jima?

There are many ways to use a black wall with light text and not make any allusions to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. Had this ad used a different font and not used the diamond to delineate the words no one would have made any connection at all.

43 posted on 06/09/2009 1:27:21 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Can anybody do or say anything without causing an OutRage anymore?

As GranPa Jone used to say "Outrageous!"

44 posted on 06/09/2009 1:28:20 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: FourPeas
"There are at least a few people in an ad agency and a property management firm somewhere who don’t have a clue. "

Nope! Nothing "clueless" involved in this desecration. This was an intentional act.

You can see the same sort of messages throughout all the textbooks used in the government brainwashing institutions that most of the government's children attend.

45 posted on 06/09/2009 1:30:53 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Owl_Eagle
This isn't a case of it being similar. It's not evocative. It's vaguely identical.

It takes a lot of effort to do something that dumb.

46 posted on 06/09/2009 1:31:17 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (June 4, 2009 - the day Barack Obama threw all of America under the bus.)
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To: pnh102
Here's my take on how this ad concept came to be:

The ad was brainstormed a couple of months ago, when DC was still snowed under in a late spring, so they came up with a "Spring on the DC Mall" concept and then belched out the lame head "It's time to defrost."

Then they handed this off to the production artist, who was instructed to come up with some stock photo combining fashion and the DC Mall in the spring.

He came up with the model imposed over the Vietnam wall, with the flowers reflecting on it. there were likely other alts, such as the cherry blossoms, or the washington monument, but this one looked best with the whole black on black thing.

Some "creative" director (or mall marketing manager) said, "Hey, could we replace the names on the wall with our store names?"

And there you have it. Sad thing is, this ad passed through many, many hands in the approval process before it turned up on the buses.

47 posted on 06/09/2009 1:33:08 PM PDT by ponygirl ("Strange things are afoot at the Circle K.")
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To: RatherBiased.com

“True Religion”?

Is that a reference to True Religion Brand Jeans?

I had to look it up online to even see what they sold. I was certain that it couldn’t be theological.


48 posted on 06/09/2009 1:33:44 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (June 4, 2009 - the day Barack Obama threw all of America under the bus.)
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To: Mister Muggles

The Left is “anti-price war”. You work. You wait in line. You buy loaf of bread, comrade. Next month you buy something to go on bread you bought.


49 posted on 06/09/2009 1:35:23 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (June 4, 2009 - the day Barack Obama threw all of America under the bus.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

It’s copying The Wall. With a dumb tagline. Overall rating: Fail.

I remember when they built Tysons Corner.


50 posted on 06/09/2009 1:40:11 PM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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