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Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading -- Even BB guns could be on the chopping block
Gun Owners of America ^ | April 21, 2009 | NA

Posted on 06/09/2009 3:12:11 PM PDT by neverdem

Remember CANDIDATE Barack Obama? The guy who “wasn’t going to take away our guns”?

Well, guess what?

Less than 100 days into his administration, he’s never met a gun he didn’t hate.

A week ago, Obama went to Mexico, whined about the United States, and bemoaned (before the whole world) the fact that he didn’t have the political power to take away our semi-automatics. Nevertheless, that didn’t keep him from pushing additional restrictions on American gun owners.

It’s called the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives, and Other Related Materials. To be sure, this imponderable title masks a really nasty piece of work.

First of all, when the treaty purports to ban the “illicit” manufacture of firearms, what does that mean?

1. “Illicit manufacturing” of firearms is defined as “assembly of firearms [or] ammunition ... without a license....”

Hence, reloading ammunition -- or putting together a lawful firearm from a kit -- is clearly “illicit manufacturing.”

Modifying a firearm in any way would surely be “illicit manufacturing.” And, while it would be a stretch, assembling a firearm after cleaning it could, in any plain reading of the words, come within the screwy definition of “illicit manufacturing.”

2. “Firearm” has a similarly questionable definition.

“[A]ny other weapon” is a “firearm,” according to the treaty -- and the term “weapon” is nowhere defined.

So, is a BB gun a “firearm”? Probably.

A toy gun? Possibly.

A pistol grip or firing pin? Probably. And who knows what else.

If these provisions (and others) become the law of the land, the Obama administration could have a heyday in enforcing them. Consider some of the other provisions in the treaty:

* Banning reloading. In Article IV of the treaty, countries commit to adopting “necessary legislative or other measures” to...

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Better late than never...
1 posted on 06/09/2009 3:12:11 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: bamahead

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2 posted on 06/09/2009 3:13:11 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: neverdem


3 posted on 06/09/2009 3:15:51 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: neverdem

When my cold dead hands can’t defend our rights any longer.....
I will not just give this one up.


4 posted on 06/09/2009 3:16:36 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: neverdem

Your right, better late than never being Barry has already turned the Constitution into a welcome door mat, hell, now he is proceeding with ripping it to shreds. Michelle needs some enviro-friendly mulch in her White House garden....


5 posted on 06/09/2009 3:19:02 PM PDT by cranked
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To: oldenuff2no

AMEN TO THAT!!!!!


6 posted on 06/09/2009 3:21:06 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953
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To: cranked

Give a toy gun to a boy, point it at the Zero and see what his reaction is, and laugh at him!


7 posted on 06/09/2009 3:24:32 PM PDT by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: oldenuff2no

This is the reason he is the Firearms Salesman of the Year.


8 posted on 06/09/2009 3:25:08 PM PDT by DHSMostWanted (The Socialists are coming! The Socialists are coming! Dang they're here!)
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To: DHSMostWanted
This is the reason he is the Firearms Salesman of the Year

Yep, now we're going to make some reloading equipment manufacturers and components dealers wealthy! You bethcha! Let's go buy that stuff, er, buy MORE of it that is...

9 posted on 06/09/2009 3:27:37 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: neverdem

Pass whatever law you want, illegitimate usurper. I will obey not a single one of them.


10 posted on 06/09/2009 3:28:59 PM PDT by chris37
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To: neverdem

The failed drug war is being used to take your guns. I hope the drug warriors consider this “worth it.”


11 posted on 06/09/2009 3:29:57 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: neverdem
Maybe it's time for some Ammo and Gunpowder Parties.
12 posted on 06/09/2009 3:30:52 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: neverdem

This is from April 21st


13 posted on 06/09/2009 3:30:56 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (zer0 is doing to capitalism what Kennedy did to health care)
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To: neverdem

Everytime this dumb ass brown clown opens his pie hole on firearms he causes a stampede on semi-autos and ammunition . He certainly is the salesman of the year when it comes to firarms. Trouble is the price of each keeps going up and up and ammo especially is getting harder to find in stock .


14 posted on 06/09/2009 3:31:25 PM PDT by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: neverdem

FUBO and the jackass you rode in on.


15 posted on 06/09/2009 3:33:22 PM PDT by AirForceMom (Locked and loaded, and sharpening wooden stakes.)
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To: neverdem
Just like Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin, Obama is slowly seeking the complete and total disarmament of the population that he "presides" over.

I anxiously wonder how the worthless government trolls will dare attack American citizens for disobeying the Communist in Chief.

The democrat bastards and their lackeys are playing with fire, and they are going to be the ones getting the blowtorch.

16 posted on 06/09/2009 3:34:05 PM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: neverdem

17 posted on 06/09/2009 3:35:12 PM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: windsorknot
Maybe it's time for some Ammo and Gunpowder Parties.

Or Second Amendment March on D.C.

18 posted on 06/09/2009 3:38:32 PM PDT by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: windsorknot
Maybe it's time for some Ammo and Gunpowder Parties.

November 5th is just a few months away...maybe a Guy Fawkes party?

19 posted on 06/09/2009 4:09:53 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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To: shooter223

The accent on [Greek] verb forms is recessive. The acute should stand over the alpha, not the epsilon of labe.

20 posted on 06/09/2009 4:36:27 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: neverdem

Nervy little bastard aint he. He is really looking for a sh!t storm.


21 posted on 06/09/2009 4:54:43 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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22 posted on 06/09/2009 4:58:38 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Prole
The democrat bastards and their lackeys are playing with fire, and they are going to be the ones getting the blowtorch.

Obama is very near the edge of the map with this s--t. Beyond this point, there be dragons.

23 posted on 06/09/2009 5:04:57 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Las Vegas Ron
This is from April 21st

Comment# 1: "Better late than never..."

24 posted on 06/09/2009 5:13:24 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: nonsporting

Found it on goooogle ....... I know nothing of the greek language,but I believe in the idea behind this phrase. Have also seen it as “MOLON LABE”


25 posted on 06/09/2009 5:16:20 PM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: neverdem
No arguemnets here, just though maybe you missed the date.

Can't get this out enough imo

26 posted on 06/09/2009 5:17:00 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (zer0 is doing to capitalism what Kennedy did to health care)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Can't get this out enough imo

I don't check them out as much as I used to. They changed their web homepage. I liked the old one better. A lot of places would be better if they kept it simple.

27 posted on 06/09/2009 5:26:08 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
A lot of places would be better if they kept it simple.

Ain't that the truth, when ever I see "new and improved" for our users, I know it's going to suck

28 posted on 06/09/2009 5:30:09 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (zer0 is doing to capitalism what Kennedy did to health care)
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To: shooter223
Found it on goooogle ....... I know nothing of the greek language, but I believe in the idea behind this phrase. Have also seen it as “MOLON LABE”

Oleg Volk used to have some photos of a female friend wearing a ball cap with the correct spelling on the front. I don't see it now, but there is some interesting material here.

29 posted on 06/09/2009 5:30:59 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: KoRn
Give up this right and all others will follow.

This is where ol servantboy draws a line in the sand.

I will never hand over my freedom.

30 posted on 06/09/2009 5:31:54 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: chris37
Yep. I'm pretty much done with his arbitrary edicts and this "governments" moves toward tyranny.

This needs to be cleared away so we can restore our Republic.

31 posted on 06/09/2009 5:41:10 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: nonsporting

Poster Correia at TheHighRoad.us used to make shirts and hats with it on there. I have a matching hat and shirt. Black with white lettering. Not sure if he still does them...


32 posted on 06/09/2009 5:46:22 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: TigersEye

In my state of corruption you now need a license for a BB gun!


33 posted on 06/09/2009 5:48:19 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (elected officials should be required to pass drug, alcohol & dementia testing)
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To: nonsporting
Interesting website ........ Found this the other day,thought you might like it.
34 posted on 06/09/2009 5:53:17 PM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: nonsporting

35 posted on 06/09/2009 5:54:48 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: pandoraou812
Pandy, my FRiend, when you live in a state that corrupt you don't need a license to do anything you just need to be as corrupt as the government.

But you do need guns. Without them you're nothing but a walking corpse and I refuse to be a corpse before my metabolic functions cease.

Molon labe!

36 posted on 06/09/2009 7:37:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: shooter223; Eaker; All
CRIMINALS PREFER UNARMED VICTIMS sticker
DICTATORS PREFER UNARMED CITIZENS sticker

37 posted on 06/09/2009 7:50:55 PM PDT by FreeKeys ("Liberals aren't always so liberal when people disapprove of their point of view." -- Clint Eastwood)
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To: TigersEye

Hmmm that is just what Joe says. What I need to do is leave NJ asap.


38 posted on 06/09/2009 7:54:51 PM PDT by pandoraou812 (elected officials should be required to pass drug, alcohol & dementia testing)
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To: neverdem

This gun grabbing treaty is known as (keyword) CIFTA.

Here is excellent video coverage of the treaty by Lou Dobbs of CNN:

http://tinyurl.com/dk2o4o


39 posted on 06/09/2009 8:27:13 PM PDT by deks
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 06/09/2009 9:13:39 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem; KoRn; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
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41 posted on 06/09/2009 9:31:04 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: neverdem

We probably need to pass a law stating that the constitution of the United States and the bill of rights trump all treaties and cannot be superseded or modified by any treaty.


42 posted on 06/10/2009 4:14:15 AM PDT by wendy1946
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To: nonsporting

It’s all Greek to me.


43 posted on 06/10/2009 4:42:23 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Eaker
Thanks, Eaker. I see the accent on "labe" is also wrong here.

Now that I think about, the retroflex accent on the ultima of "molon" (participle) should probably be a circumflex.

44 posted on 06/10/2009 6:35:32 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: neverdem

they want vague laws and treaties that lets them do whatever they want


45 posted on 06/10/2009 9:36:20 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem; All

Mine guns are loaded. If you want them, come get them if you think you can.


46 posted on 06/10/2009 11:49:49 AM PDT by BlackjackPershing (“The patriot's blood is the seed of Freedom's tree” - Thomas Campbell (Scottish poet))
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To: Charles Martel
Obama is very near the edge of the map with this s--t. Beyond this point, there be dragons.

Yes, there are. Obama should consider the old proverb.


47 posted on 06/10/2009 5:23:20 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem

FYI, there is no NEED for the Supremes to consider 2nd Amendment “Incorporation”! FACT: The 2nd Amendment is SELF-incorporated to all government entities at every level. It is MORE ABSOLUTE than the 1st Amendment, or any of the others, because the wording forbids not only CONGRESS, but ANYONE from infringing on it. The 1st says “Congress shall make no law...”. The 2nd say “shall NOT be infringed!” Period! End of debate!


48 posted on 06/11/2009 10:32:02 AM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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