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Democrats Nearing Consensus on Health Plan
New York Times ^ | June 10, 2009 | Robert Pear

Posted on 06/10/2009 5:12:10 AM PDT by reaganaut1

broad consensus on the contours of legislation to remake the nation’s health care system appeared to be developing among Democratic leaders on Tuesday as three House committee chairmen outlined a bill generally similar to one being written in the Senate.

Democratic leaders in both houses said they would require individuals to carry insurance and employers to help pay for it. But they have yet to decide how to raise the necessary tax revenue.

Leaders in both chambers said they wanted to establish a new public health insurance program, which would compete with private insurers. But they have not settled on the details.

The chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, affirmed his desire to begin taxing some employer-provided health benefits, as a way to help pay for coverage of the uninsured.

After slamming the door on that idea last month, the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, Representative Charles B. Rangel, Democrat of New York, opened the door a crack on Tuesday.

Mr. Rangel said on May 6 that there was “no way” he would support taxing employer-provided health benefits. On Tuesday, he declined to rule out the idea.

Asked whether he would consider taxing employee health benefits, Mr. Rangel said, “There is nothing, no matter how stupid it sounds, that I am rejecting.”

The three House chairmen — Mr. Rangel and Representatives George Miller and Henry A. Waxman, both California Democrats — are drafting a single bill. They summarized the bill on Tuesday at a meeting of the House Democratic Caucus.

Mr. Waxman said the House bill would be named in honor of Representative John D. Dingell, Democrat of Michigan. Since 1957, Mr. Dingell has regularly introduced bills providing for national health insurance.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; congress; democrats; dingell; fairtaxorg; healthcare; healthcarereform; obamacare; socializedmedicine
Kennedy has terminal cancer, and Dingell, 83 years old, has been proposing national health insurance for more than 50 years. Part of what is happening is that senior Democrats want to leave a "legacy" of "universal coverage". They will not be around to see such a system collapse financially, along with Social Security and Medicare.
1 posted on 06/10/2009 5:12:10 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

they would require individuals to carry insurance...

...and if I don’t , will I be arrested???


2 posted on 06/10/2009 5:14:51 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Le Chien Rouge
they would require individuals to carry insurance... ...and if I don’t , will I be arrested???

Massachusetts has such a mandate, and on your tax return you must provide proof of insurance or pay a substantial penalty.

3 posted on 06/10/2009 5:17:57 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

Republicans Not Needed

Apparently.


4 posted on 06/10/2009 5:21:02 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: Le Chien Rouge
they would require individuals to carry insurance... ...and if I don’t , will I be arrested???

No, I believe that you will be fined an amount greater than your voluntary insurance premiums would have been if you had paid them as you were instructed

5 posted on 06/10/2009 5:25:26 AM PDT by doc11355
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To: reaganaut1
"Mr. Rangel said, 'There is nothing, no matter how stupid it sounds, that I am rejecting.' "

Definition of a Democrat.

6 posted on 06/10/2009 5:26:36 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Current Misery Index Approximately 36%)
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To: reaganaut1

Now that the dims have “all the answers”, how are we going to pay for all of this?


7 posted on 06/10/2009 5:34:09 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Baraq Hussein mohammed 0bama - Muslim Socialist Enemy of America!)
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To: reaganaut1

We cant afford it.


8 posted on 06/10/2009 5:39:31 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

They want to pay for it by taxing it...and this is somehow supposed to make it “affordable”...?


9 posted on 06/10/2009 5:42:36 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Current Misery Index Approximately 36%)
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To: reaganaut1

Another reason to support the Fair Tax. There is legislation pending in both the House and Senate. The Fair Tax would eliminate the federal income tax and the IRS, replacing revenue with a retail national sales tax on new goods and services. (This is not the same as VAT or flat tax.) The Fair Tax is on consumption, not production. There would be no federal income tax withheld from pay, and no Socialist Security or Medicare taxes withheld from pay. These would be funded from the sales taxes, which would be collected by the States using their existing mechanisms and forwarded to Washington.

With the Fair Tax, about 57,000 pages of IRS code, regulations, forms and instructions go into the trash can. No more federal income tax returns, no capital gains taxes, no taxes on dividends, no AMT, no need for tax accountants and lawyers. And no loopholes. Even foreigners visiting here would help pay our taxes. Illegal immigrants and other crooks would also be paying taxes, unlike today.

The Fair Tax takes away the ability of Congress to manipulate our lives with the tax code. Tell you Congressmoron that he or she must support the Fair Tax, or you won’t vote for the moron.

See www.fairtax.org for details and to sign up.


10 posted on 06/10/2009 5:44:37 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: reaganaut1

The are fixing the greatest economy in the world. And look what is happening.

The are going to fix the greatest health care system in the world. Guess what will happen.

The political way: “If it ain’t broke, fix it till it is.”


11 posted on 06/10/2009 5:45:12 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Barak al-DC. Barak al-Chicago, Barak al-Oahu. Barak al-Mombasa. What' it gonna be?)
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To: CPT Clay

VAT


12 posted on 06/10/2009 6:04:10 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: reaganaut1
The bill, that finally becomes law, will be so vague,it will be impossible to know what it does.

After its passed the lifetime bureaucrats will then fill in the "blanks"

It will be a utter disaster, that will take away your privacy and rights passed by a congress that will not even bother to read the damn thing, but will tout it as a great success on the campaign trail.

13 posted on 06/10/2009 6:09:41 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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This will be the end of both small and medium-size businesses and private insurance companies.

Requiring businesses to pay for a government health plan that costs much more than private insurance (but works half as well) then fining those who cannot afford the coverage.... that is nothing but a plan to destroy private enterprise and create dependency on government handouts. The fact that there are people who actually sit down and plan the demise of our country makes me sick to my stomach.


14 posted on 06/10/2009 6:14:18 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST LOSER WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: reaganaut1
"Asked whether he would consider taxing employee health benefits, Mr. Rangel said, “There is nothing, no matter how stupid it sounds, that I am rejecting.”

This will shut down small business. Which shuts down plumbers,electricians,HVAC companies.If the skilled worker/business owner/boss of skilled workers- pay checks/business gets anymore taxed we will be in a full depression muchless disaster.

But move along now...all of the illegal aliens will have free health care and they could care less about it.

15 posted on 06/10/2009 6:16:25 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: reaganaut1

So this will be called a Dingle (berry) bill... quite fitting.They are destroying our country.


16 posted on 06/10/2009 6:19:14 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: reaganaut1
Massachusetts has such a mandate, and on your tax return you must provide proof of insurance or pay a substantial penalty.

How do they handle illegals, or non-taxpayers?

17 posted on 06/10/2009 6:24:20 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: reaganaut1

PayGo or the largest single tax increase on the American people in history?


18 posted on 06/10/2009 6:37:04 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Pearls Before Swine
How do they handle illegals, or non-taxpayers?

You're payin' for them sucka / Baraq

19 posted on 06/10/2009 6:39:12 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: St. Louis Conservative

PAYGO=VAT


20 posted on 06/10/2009 6:46:58 AM PDT by homegroan (Proud to be a Palinite!)
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To: reaganaut1

After decades of sceaming for national health care, the Democrts still have no clue how to do it. *sigh*


21 posted on 06/10/2009 6:58:51 AM PDT by avacado
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What is bad about this is once you start national health care, there is no turning back. You have to keep it, and pay for it, and I guarantee you the costs will skyrocket, and the premiums will go up and the benefits will decrease,and eventually some bureaucrat will decide whether you should get medical treatment.
22 posted on 06/10/2009 7:53:53 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: cake_crumb
They want to pay for it by taxing it...and this is somehow supposed to make it “affordable”...?

Good point. If they tax it at the rate needed to pay for it, then what's the difference in just going out and getting insurance on your own? - EXCEPT - I suspect that I will be paying for my health insurance and also that of several ACORN members also. NO THANKS!

23 posted on 06/10/2009 7:58:57 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Baraq Hussein mohammed 0bama - Muslim Socialist Enemy of America!)
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To: pleikumud

Another reason to support the Fair Tax.
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It’s FAIR and that’s the reason *they* will never do it. It makes sense, another reason *they* will never do it. It would be so much simpler another reason *they* would never do it.


24 posted on 06/10/2009 10:12:07 AM PDT by mojitojoe (The American Revolution: 70% of the people were loyal to the King, The other 30% founded a nation.)
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To: reaganaut1
Look at the utter disaster of Massachusetts Universal healthcare, at latest count, almost $3 billion in the hole. Multiply by 50. This is what is coming now to every American.

(BTW, how's that Hope and Change working for you Obama voters?)

25 posted on 06/10/2009 10:37:30 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: reaganaut1

Wondering if the elected members of congress are including themselves in the equation to pay taxes on their benefits too. Or are they going to try and put in some exclusions for gov’t employees unions and themselves.


26 posted on 06/10/2009 12:14:26 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: mojitojoe

Another reason to support the Fair Tax.
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It’s FAIR and that’s the reason *they* will never do it. It makes sense, another reason *they* will never do it. It would be so much simpler another reason *they* would never do it.”
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If tens of millions of us tell our congressmorons that they won’t get our vote unless they vote for the Fair Tax, then they will do it. I hope everyone visits www.fairtax.org, then write to your congressmoron, and also donate money to get Fair Tax ads on TV.

Remember when Reagan said “tear down this wall”? I am sure all the Demo-Socialists thought Reagan was being unrealistic. But it happened and the USSR is in the ash can of history. Let’s put the federal income tax and the IRS in the ash can.


27 posted on 06/10/2009 12:26:20 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: reaganaut1
"...to begin taxing some employer-provided health benefits, as a way to help pay for coverage of the uninsured."

So by making existing medical insurance more expensive by taxing them, they are REALLY making it more affordable. Am I right? It makes perfect Obama-speak.

28 posted on 06/10/2009 4:58:54 PM PDT by rudypoot
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