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Drake, former SBC officer, says he's praying for Obama to die (Southern Baptist Conference)
Associated Baptist Press ^ | June 03, 2009 | Bob Allen

Posted on 06/10/2009 8:11:59 AM PDT by tlb

NEW YORK (ABP) -- A former Southern Baptist Convention officer who on June 2 called the death of abortion provider George Tiller an answer to prayer said later in the day he is also praying "imprecatory prayer" against President Obama.

Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.

"Imprecatory prayer is agreeing with God, and if people don't like that, they need to talk to God," Drake told syndicated talk-show host Alan Colmes. "God said it, I didn't. I was just agreeing with God."

Asked if there are others for whom Drake is praying "imprecatory prayer," Drake hesitated before answering that there are several. "The usurper that is in the White House is one, B. Hussein Obama," he said.

Later in the interview, Colmes returned to Drake's answer to make sure he heard him right.

"Are you praying for his death?" Colmes asked.

"Yes," Drake replied.

"So you're praying for the death of the president of the United States?"

"Yes."

"If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that's correct."

Drake said he didn't pray for Tiller to be murdered -- only that God would take his life by some method -- but that he "absolutely" believed that God wanted the doctor dead.

"I believe the whole Bible, Alan," he explained. "I don't just preach part of it. I don't just preach the soft, fuzzy, warm stuff where we're supposed to be nice to everybody. I preach the whole Bible."

Part of the Bible, Drake claimed, is imprecatory prayer -- words of judgment in the Psalms prayed back to God -- a practice he said the church has lost.

"This whole concept that we're always to pray little, nice, soft, fluffy, prayers -- that we're not to pray imprecatory prayer -- has been something that just, in all honesty, that Southern Baptists have lost, and we need to regain imprecatory prayer," Drake said. "It is in the Bible, and we are proud to say as Southern Baptists that we believe the Book. You've got to believe the whole Book, brother, or you don't believe any of it."

Asked if he claimed to know God's will, Drake replied: "In some cases I do. Not in all cases. I know this, that if I do die right now, I'll go to heaven when I die because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That's why I'll go to heaven and not to hell. And the reason George Tiller went to hell when he died was not because he killed babies, as terrible as that was. If he went to hell, and I think he did -- that's God's judgment and not mine -- but if he did go to hell it's because he did not accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior."

Drake said he did not believe Tiller's accused killer is a pro-life Christian.

"I'm of the opinion -- and now everybody's going to say 'There goes Wiley down the conspiracy-theory road,' I'm of the opinion that somebody in the Obama camp had this guy killed."

"Who benefits the most from this man killing a doctor?" Drake asked. "We certainly don't. Pro-life people certainly don't. It hurts us. It damages us, but Obama will indeed advance it. This will be one of those crises to take advantage of, and he's already done that."

Drake said he had no evidence and admitted his opinion for now is "pure speculation."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: colmes; drake; keyes; sbc
A lady in the UK threw this at me a few minutes ago. Colmes must have been overjoyed at finding this fruitloop. Now as icing on the cake Colmes will probably have him back to discuss Darwin.
1 posted on 06/10/2009 8:12:00 AM PDT by tlb
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To: tlb

Last thing we need is for Obama to be worshipped as a martyr by his minions. Let’s just get him out of the White House peacefully and legally ASAP.


2 posted on 06/10/2009 8:14:30 AM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: tlb

Funny how all of the libs who prayed for W to die never got any press coverage.


3 posted on 06/10/2009 8:14:41 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: tlb

I’ll get worried when I see effigy of Obammy dragged through American streets and burned.

Where was the MSM when Bush was being called “murderer”, “war criminal” and “retard”?


4 posted on 06/10/2009 8:15:07 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: tlb

Just don’t let it happen any way but by God’s way. I don’t think we need him to be a hero for the ages!


5 posted on 06/10/2009 8:15:32 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kufir!)
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To: tlb

I just pray that people will finally see through the Democrat demi-god and he will leave broken and disgraced...as he should.


6 posted on 06/10/2009 8:16:53 AM PDT by EricT. ("Mankind, when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government." -George Washington)
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To: pnh102

They got press coverage....and the “press” agreed with every Bush poster, sign and effigy


7 posted on 06/10/2009 8:17:46 AM PDT by Dallas59 ("You know the one with the big ears? He might be yours, but he ain't my president.")
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To: tlb
Psalms makes an interesting read. For example...

Let his days be few; [and] let another take his office.
Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.
- Psalms 109:8-9

8 posted on 06/10/2009 8:22:19 AM PDT by phrogphlyer (The only moderate Taliban is a dead Taliban.)
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To: pnh102

They don’t pray, but they made a movie about their fondest desire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojWOWyHWj6M

Stinking liberal hypocrites!


9 posted on 06/10/2009 8:26:54 AM PDT by tumblindice (hippiecrits? Democrits?)
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To: tlb

I’d post a comment but I don’t look forward to any little informal visits from the Black Panthe, er that is, the Secret Service!


10 posted on 06/10/2009 8:26:56 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Jedidah

Yeah, look at all the Kennedys we’ve been saddled with since 1963. They should be drinking together in
Massachusetts and would be if not for Lee Harvey. I don’t care that this guy in Kansas got popped. He chose a “live by the sword” life and the principle played itself out. It’s a spiritual law like a law of physics that I can’t change. It just is. As to the “going to hell” statement, I do believe that we are not to speculate on that kind of eternal judgement. I personally am glad that is God’s job and not mine. The permanent closing of “Tiller’s Temple of the Barbaric Sacrament” is a good thing, but I don’t think we’ve seen the end of the events set in motion by this killing.


11 posted on 06/10/2009 8:27:30 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: tlb

This is an example of the limp-wristed clergy, that the US has all too many of. The reverend, apparently, doesn’t have the cajones to oppose Obama on his ideas, so he asks God to do the dirty work for him.

Wuss.

I doubt this guy is going to expend any personal effort in opposing Obama’s agendas. I’ll bet God really scratches his/her/its head over some the requests that come up from Earth.


12 posted on 06/10/2009 8:29:17 AM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: tlb

I’d rather see Obama humiliated and held to account under a system of justice for his attempt to undermine and ultimately destroy the foundations of our economy along with his friends at ACORN.


13 posted on 06/10/2009 8:30:28 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (US out of GM... NOW!)
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To: tlb

Problem is that if Hussein Obama dies and gets his 72 virgins in whatever place Muslims go, then we are stuck with President Joe Biden. If there is a bigger idiot on Earth, we’d be hard pressed to find him. The America-hating Muslim or the colossal idiot? Hmmmm...


14 posted on 06/10/2009 8:34:21 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: Astronaut

Very seldom is a muslim your better choice - bring on the idiot.


15 posted on 06/10/2009 8:35:22 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: tlb

16 posted on 06/10/2009 8:36:42 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: tlb; Quix; TaraP; Jo Nuvark

“Are you praying for his death?” Colmes asked.

“Yes,” Drake replied.

That sounds like a good thing for pray for. No, this isn’t humor or sarcasm. Praying for Obama’s death, in that God had control over all these things and He can take anyone’s life at any time — I think it’s a perfectly fine thing to pray for Obama’s death at the hands of God.

It’s when it is death at the hands of “man” that it becomes a crime.

BUT, no one is going to charge God with a crime, if God causes his death...

What a beautiful prayer.

[ of course, I would first preface such a prayer with the desire that God try and reach Obama’s heart for salvation in having him trust in Jesus, the Messiah of Israel for his personal salvation, per the Scriptures, as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has given them to us. But, if Obama refuses to respond and hardens his heart against God, in this, then God should take Obama’s life. That would be my only “proviso” for God taking the life of Obama...]

We should all be praying for his salvation first, and if he refuses, then we should be praying that God directly take Obama’s life. God is just and righteous and He’s already said that *all* deserved to die, because of their sin. And if Obama does not repent of his sins and turn to the Messiah of Israel for his salvation, then God is righteous and just to take his life and remove him from the face of this earth...


17 posted on 06/10/2009 8:38:52 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: cameraeye

You said — Just don’t let it happen any way but by God’s way. I don’t think we need him to be a hero for the ages!

Yeah, just let Obama be found, hanging by a rope that he put around his own neck in an auto-sexual-arousal routine that he practices... LOL...


18 posted on 06/10/2009 8:40:23 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Astronaut

You said — The America-hating Muslim or the colossal idiot? Hmmmm...

Actually, with that choice, I would go for the colossal idiot... :-)


19 posted on 06/10/2009 8:41:23 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: tlb

Why is this even posted here? Why is anyone even giving a nut like this a microphone? It makes us all look bad.


20 posted on 06/10/2009 8:41:50 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Oldpuppymax

You said — I’d post a comment but I don’t look forward to any little informal visits from the Black Panthe, er that is, the Secret Service!

Ummmm..., how are they going to “call on God”...?? LOL...


21 posted on 06/10/2009 8:42:33 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

VERY well said Oldpuppymax.
Were this ass clown to take and early dirt nap I certainly would not go in to mourning.


22 posted on 06/10/2009 8:43:05 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: cameraeye

Well, perhaps God has a sense of humor and could have the One do a David Carradine...with lots of press coverage, of course.


23 posted on 06/10/2009 8:54:18 AM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Melas; tlb

You asked — Why is this even posted here?

It sounds like a good prayer to me. I agree with it. Of course, I gave the “proviso” that I would add before asking God to do that, and remove Obama from living on this earth.

But, it’s a *perfectly fine prayer* — and one that all Christians should pray for (again, with the proviso of salvation, which should be for all, to be able to choose for themselves, and is always God’s first choice in the matter, that any person do choose Jesus as the Messiah of Israel for their own personal salvation — outside that — God can “take ‘em outta here!”).

— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —

And then you said — Why is anyone even giving a nut like this a microphone? It makes us all look bad.

Well, then, I’m here to make you look bad... LOL...


24 posted on 06/10/2009 8:55:07 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Melas

“Why is this even posted here? Why is anyone even giving a nut like this a microphone? It makes us all look bad.”

Agree, this is rabid stuff. Besides, if I were to offer any prayers in the matter, I would be much more inclined to pray for the health and long life of our current president, taking into account the persons who are next in line for the presidency.


25 posted on 06/10/2009 8:55:31 AM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: Star Traveler

I think this is quite problematic on a number of levels.

I think The Rabbi’s prayer regarding the Czar in answer to Tevya’s question about whether there was a bless the Czar . . .

Said

“May The Lord bless and keep the Czar far away from us.”

is a good one.

And, I pray that The Lord remove OThuga from public office as soon as His priorities allow.

I figure The Lord knows how best to do whatever He wants in such matters.

I realize that prayers SOMETIMES seem to give The Lord more options.

So, praying YOUR WILL, LORD,

is a great one.

I also suspect that the oligarchy pulling his puppet strings are setting him up to be a fall guy . . .

We shall see.

I don’t really need to pray for his leaving this sphere.

Let him see the horrors he’s visiting on us.


26 posted on 06/10/2009 9:01:19 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Hi Quix... :-)

You were saying — I think this is quite problematic on a number of levels.

Yeah, it’s basically problematic because people get queasy about God “taking people out”.... :-)

But, God does that sort of thing, and if someone is so evil and despicable and works against God’s plans (like, for instance, against Israel and their security and continued existence) then I would have no doubt that God will take him out.

However, I suspect that there is another component to God allowing Obama to be in there, in the office of President of the United States right now — and that has to do with the judgment of God upon this nation for its multitude of sins — and God has given the nation “what it deserves” — and the nation deserves Obama...

So, in that sense, if Obama is the judgment of God upon this nation, then I don’t hold out hope that God will remove him from this earth. And I do see that this is what Obama is.

When the nation repents..., then Obama may be “taken out” by God. But, since I don’t see it “in the works” that the nation is going to repent, I don’t expect God to relent on His judgment of the United States, compliments of Obama...

— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —

And then you quoted — “May The Lord bless and keep the Czar far away from us.”

Ummm.., that sounds more like a prayer that’s designed to keep him out of prison or being killed by the Czar... LOL...

BUT, in regards to the Lord’s will, it’s going to be as He has determined. It’s legitimate for people to pray for Obama’s removal from this earth at the hand of God, as that’s exactly what God does in many instances already, and He is righteous and no one can call God “to account” for such things. If He does so, there’s nothing we can say about it.

And, as I said before, about that proviso..., I think that would also be what God has in mind for all of us, in that He grants His grace (i.e., common grace) to all of us, in order to bring us to the salvation that is in Jesus, the Messiah of Israel. If one doesn’t repent and turn to Jesus, the Messiah of Israel for their own personal salvation, the time for life on this planet can be shortened at any time, at the hand of God...


27 posted on 06/10/2009 9:11:01 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Do you like our erstwhile death-wishing reverend also believe that Roeder was hired by the Obama administration?

This rot has no place with truly intelligent people. I can’t even begin to express my level of disgust.


28 posted on 06/10/2009 9:29:39 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Texan Tory
Agree, this is rabid stuff.

Agreed. Conservatism is being dumbed down from an intellectual and philosophically reasoned political system of governance to hillbilly solutions to everything.

29 posted on 06/10/2009 9:37:06 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

You asked — Do you like our erstwhile death-wishing reverend also believe that Roeder was hired by the Obama administration?

Mine is really simple... God gives Obama the opportunity to accept the Messiah of Israel as his personal savior, according to the Scriptures of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

And if he refuses and hardens his heart against God and His Messiah, then my prayer is to “take out Obama” by the direct hand of God, in living in this world.

It’s just that simple... (and you don’t have to add any other ingredients to the mix...)....

— — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — — —

And lastly you said — This rot has no place with truly intelligent people. I can’t even begin to express my level of disgust.

Well, “disgust away” because it’s not going to change the views of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and taking out anyone whom He wants *gone* from this world of the living. And it’s not going to change my views either, of what God can and will do.

All are deserving of death — by God’s decree and by His hand — short of the life-giving salvation of Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, according to the Scriptures of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

That would include Obama too.


30 posted on 06/10/2009 9:39:01 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: tlb

I don’t want him to die in office - I want his sorry ass thrown out, either by impeachment or by popular vote in the next election.


31 posted on 06/10/2009 9:39:58 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid things happen)
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To: reagan_fanatic

You said — I don’t want him to die in office - I want his sorry ass thrown out, either by impeachment or by popular vote in the next election.

I would rather see Obama hang himself like David Carradine (like some auto-sexual-asphyxiation routine), while in office. That would be quite appropriate for Obama...


32 posted on 06/10/2009 9:46:35 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: tlb
Anyone who prays for the death of another is no Christian.

"...But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;..."

I have to agree with other posts here; where was the outrage with the evil committed by the left against GWB?

If one of us burned 0bama in effigy, we would quickly find ourselves in jail.

33 posted on 06/10/2009 9:47:38 AM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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To: Melas

Oh..., and since you mentioned Roeder, let me give you a scenario for what the government should do and the order in which it should do it...

The government should make all abortion illegal, with death penalties handed down for any who participate in any way...

Order of death penalties...

1. Death penalty for any parent who aborts their own child.
2. Death penalty for any person who decides to shoot an abortionist and/or staff
3. Death penalty for any abortionist.
4. Death penalty for any supporting staff in an abortion facility.

I would imagine that after #1 and #2 is completed, you won’t find anyone left who is doing anything in the #3 or #4 positions...


34 posted on 06/10/2009 9:56:21 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

As you know . . . I rarely disagree with you.

Am just trying to exercise some wisdom for me in this context on this issue.

I’m . . . over a lot of folks . . . lines re notions of . . . reasonableness on a lot of issues as it is.

In principle, I don’t have a lot of disagreement with you.

GOD IS GOD AND ALWAYS WILL BE GOD.

Happy to pray for God to have His way in such matters.


35 posted on 06/10/2009 9:58:26 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Star Traveler

LET GOD ARISE

AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED.


36 posted on 06/10/2009 9:58:58 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Yes, I know... and that’s fine. I really do expect a lot of people to disagree with me on this one... :-)

It’s no problem...


37 posted on 06/10/2009 9:59:59 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: tlb
"If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around, I am asking God to enforce imprecatory prayers that are throughout the Scripture that would cause him death, that's correct."

Why doesn't he pray that Obama will simply turn to God. PERIOD ?
38 posted on 06/10/2009 10:00:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks.

GOING TO POTtery.


39 posted on 06/10/2009 10:03:23 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SeekAndFind; tlb

You said — Why doesn’t he pray that Obama will simply turn to God. PERIOD ?

The one goes with the other, because it’s up to Obama (or anyone else, personally) to decide for themselves, whether they will accept God’s grace and salvation, through Jesus, the Messiah of Israel, according to the Scriptures from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

And if they don’t (and *especially* with someone in Obama’s position, who affects an entire nation and millions of people and even the nation of Israel, itself) — then it should be a prayer for God to *take them out of this world* to keep their evil from continually being perpetrated among millions in this world.


40 posted on 06/10/2009 10:04:39 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Quix

You said — GOING TO POTtery.

I’m reminded of this when I hear “pottery”... :-)

The Great Passion Play Parables of the Potter in Eureka Springs, Arkansas
http://www.eurekareservationcenter.com/parablesofthepotter.htm

I’ve been there and seen him. It’s quite a good presentation, using the potter’s wheel and him talking all the while he is making something...


41 posted on 06/10/2009 10:08:24 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

You’re probably right that if #1 and #2 where law, then you wouldn’t have to worry about #3 and #4. However, that completely misses the point.

If abortion is illegal, regardless of the penalty, then the doctor, the staff and everyone involved will know in advance that it’s illegal and what possible penalties they face. If caught, they’ll have the benefit of a trial to establish guilt before any punishment is meted out.

That is a far cry from a lone gunman in a church, a parking lot, or shooting through a kitchen window. Guys like Roeder and Hill aren’t even taking the law into their own hands. They’re making up the law as they go along. That is just intrinsically evil.

As for Drake, the nutbar this thread is about. He obviously smoked a little too much tinfoil. He actually believes that Roeder loves Obama so much that he’s willing to throw his life away to give pro-lifers a black eye. That’s nonsense and anyone who even gives it a second thought is a blooming idiot, yet here we are.


42 posted on 06/10/2009 11:50:11 AM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

It doesn’t really miss the point, because the point is that abortion is the fault of the parents, and they have to be responsible *first* before anyone else is responsible.

And in regards to Drake, he’s perfectly right in asking God to remove Obama from this earth (and note that he also prays for his salvation, too, first..., just like I was saying). If Obama doesn’t repent, God should remove Obama from this earth...

And like I said, who is going to bring a “charge against God” for doing so... LOL...


43 posted on 06/10/2009 11:56:46 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

How can you direct more anger toward the parents than to the devious abortionist. By the way, anyone who advocates the death penalty for parents who commit abortion would get slaughtered in an election.


44 posted on 06/10/2009 5:02:36 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: tlb

I think Drake is destined to spend eternity with Tiller. This man is an embarrassment to conservatives and Christians and clearly is not filled with the Holy Spirit.


45 posted on 06/10/2009 5:04:04 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: conservativebuckeye

You asked — How can you direct more anger toward the parents than to the devious abortionist. By the way, anyone who advocates the death penalty for parents who commit abortion would get slaughtered in an election.

That’s the level of responsibility for the killing of babies...

Parents are first on the list, because they’re the ones who want their own babies killed. The abortionist is just doing a job. If there were no babies to kill, the abortionist would be out of business.

I can’t think of *anything* more despicable than parents wanting to kill their own kids... And, we all think the very same way, because when you find some parent killing a kid (and not using an abortionist), the FReepers will *go after* that parent who kills their kids.

Thus, the first level of responsibility and *who drives* this whole industry — is not the abortionist, but it’s the parents who want to kill their own babies....


46 posted on 06/10/2009 5:09:38 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks.

Have heard of him but never seen him live nor in video, that I can recall.

Thanks for the link.


47 posted on 06/10/2009 9:19:08 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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