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Planets Can’t Grow Past the Electric Fence
CEH ^ | June 9, 2009

Posted on 06/10/2009 12:42:32 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

June 9, 2009 — In the artwork, it looks so simple: dust clumps into planets that grow into nice, orbiting solar systems – like ours. It’s not so simple when you try to nail down the real physics. Planet-building models have to contend with a host of variables and barriers to growth (accretion). Another barrier was discussed in Astrophysical Journal this month: the electric barrier...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Japan; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; creation; electricuniverse; evolution; godophobia; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; junkscience; science; sciencefiction
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1 posted on 06/10/2009 12:42:33 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/10/2009 12:43:17 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


3 posted on 06/10/2009 12:47:42 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

Planet-building is simple and been done. I refer you to the movie called A hitchikers guide to the Universe. It is explained in detail how this is done.


4 posted on 06/10/2009 12:52:39 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't have to say much.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s an especially funny one today, GGG. I especially like the conclusions, which boil down to “science is hard, so let’s try something simpler (God Diddit)”.


5 posted on 06/10/2009 12:54:19 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: edcoil

Throwing pearls before swine is counter productive, especially if thrown in water over the swine’s head.

The pearl is actually Hitch Hiker’s guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams.


6 posted on 06/10/2009 12:56:33 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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To: bert

Thanks for the correction. I saw it again the other day. My favorite character is the robot.


7 posted on 06/10/2009 1:07:11 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't have to say much.)
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To: bert
The pearl is actually Hitch Hiker’s guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams.

Hey if a drunk guy laying on the side of the road can figure out how to make a couple of mice in champagn glasses do it....DON'T PANIC

I absolutely hated the movie btw.

8 posted on 06/10/2009 1:10:25 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: blowfish

I blame Copernicus. He started this thirst for knowledge crap. LOL


9 posted on 06/10/2009 1:16:42 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: edcoil
My favorite character is the robot.

AAhhh Marvin(I think). You must read the book. Otherwise you'll never know what frogs do that drove the man who learned the Whole Absolute Truth about everything insane. (They really don't tell you anyways though). It's still an excellent read.

10 posted on 06/10/2009 1:17:39 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: GodGunsGuts

I am most certainly a Christian. However, this Creationist stuff is beyond stupid. Please, stop embarrassing those of us who are actual scientists with this tripe.


11 posted on 06/10/2009 1:19:24 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL! I’ve suspected all along that the earth never existed. How could any object be created in conformance with the laws of nature/God and yet produce the likes of Liberals? This world is a figment of a superbeing’s nightmare. /sarc


12 posted on 06/10/2009 1:20:35 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

I guess you think that Terra forming is the work of the devil???


13 posted on 06/10/2009 1:21:01 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://governorpalin4president.blogspot.com/)
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To: Da Coyote
this Creationist stuff is beyond stupid. Please, stop embarrassing those of us who are actual scientists with this tripe.

Absolutely so. In order to tinker and putter with DNA's and weather cycles would take millions of years. Geophysical transformations could take 100's of millions. The technology to do it is unthinkable. But it is, here. I love my creator. Love your pond goo if you like.

14 posted on 06/10/2009 1:29:48 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: Da Coyote

Get real. Your just another Darwiniac who likes to call the Bible “stooooopid.”


15 posted on 06/10/2009 1:35:06 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: blowfish

God did do it, BlowFish. He even gives you the power to argue against your spiritual heritage.


16 posted on 06/10/2009 1:36:34 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: KevinDavis

The Evos would have to be able to explain Terra formation before anyone could point to it and call it the work of the Devil. Duh!


17 posted on 06/10/2009 1:42:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

You would have to read science stuff to understand it.. Knowledge is good..


18 posted on 06/10/2009 1:44:42 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://governorpalin4president.blogspot.com/)
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To: GodGunsGuts

problems growing plants, God?

The answer’s right here: http://www.viewpoints.com/Scotts-Miracle-Gro-All-Purpose-Plant-Food-reviews

My plants have been taking off since using this stuff!


19 posted on 06/10/2009 1:50:51 PM PDT by tumblindice (Women and children bitten hardest, says Moose Czar)
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To: Da Coyote
‘Actual Scientist”

Why is it that “actual scientist” will not examine their own house of cards to see what the ‘facts’ are, as in evolution, global warming and environmentalism. Talk about beyond stupid and a serving of tripe.

20 posted on 06/10/2009 1:51:09 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: KevinDavis

You obviously know way more than your co-religionists in the Temple of Darwin. We are all ears, genius.


21 posted on 06/10/2009 1:53:22 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

Simple, we can find ways to warm up the atmosphere on Mars.. Genetic engineer plants to survive the atmosphere on Mars.. Have comets crash on the planet to do all sort of stuff. I think you would have loved living in the dark ages..


22 posted on 06/10/2009 1:56:41 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://governorpalin4president.blogspot.com/)
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To: KevinDavis
Knowledge is good..

In the micro-second we have been a species you see what we have done. What makes you think that if don't destroy ourselves WE could not seed planets with life?

23 posted on 06/10/2009 1:58:52 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: KevinDavis

Good you already agree to pansporia. What makes you think we are a result of chance when mechanics (engineering) are a simpler solution?


24 posted on 06/10/2009 2:03:06 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: Dosa26; All

Cause I’m not a sourpuss like you..


25 posted on 06/10/2009 2:06:05 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://governorpalin4president.blogspot.com/)
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To: KevinDavis

Don’t wimp out now (I am a bit of a sour-puss, I admit it lol) You already accepted pansporia (seeding of life on worlds) What’s stopping the billions of potential life-bearing planets from developing the technology ahead of us and starting us?


26 posted on 06/10/2009 2:14:40 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: Dosa26; All

Nothing.. Just want get off this rock and seed the galaxy.. With variations of humanity (i.e. modifying the human race to survive on different planets)..


27 posted on 06/10/2009 2:20:00 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://governorpalin4president.blogspot.com/)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Forget the above discussion,,, the thread title is great!
Where are those shrooms I’ve been saving...


28 posted on 06/10/2009 2:20:49 PM PDT by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: KevinDavis

These seeded planets, would you leave them to evolve on their own or would you give them instruction booklets on how best to conduct themselves?


29 posted on 06/10/2009 2:22:09 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: Dosa26; All

On their own.. Free will.


30 posted on 06/10/2009 2:23:44 PM PDT by KevinDavis (http://governorpalin4president.blogspot.com/)
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To: edcoil
"Planet-building is simple and been done."

Yes, by someone to whom it was "simple."

Really amusing to see men trying to imagine-up how it could have been done without him. Morons!

31 posted on 06/10/2009 2:24:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: cripplecreek
"I blame Copernicus. He started this thirst for knowledge crap."

Nah, Tubal Cain beat him by many millenia.

32 posted on 06/10/2009 2:27:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts
What did Darwin have to say about planet formation?

The Bible isn't stupid, but it isn't a science book either.

33 posted on 06/10/2009 2:29:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Da Coyote
"Please, stop embarrassing those of us who are actual scientists with this tripe."

Bowing to the great Dr. of Do-Do!

Surely you know more than God does; if not you, then the god and jesus that you re-invented.

34 posted on 06/10/2009 2:30:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Dosa26
"Love your pond goo if you like."

The real laugh is that it takes life to make the goo!

Back to square one...

35 posted on 06/10/2009 2:32:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: blowfish
That’s an especially funny one today, GGG. I especially like the conclusions, which boil down to “science is hard, so let’s try something simpler (God Diddit)”.

Don't underestimate the power of ignorance.


36 posted on 06/10/2009 2:35:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: KevinDavis
On their own.. Free will.

A free for all. They were your creation, Don't you have some responsability for their developement/well-being? If they evolve into a future threat can you wash your hands of them and say I extingueshed them and I am blameless, when you did nothing to guide them, only exterminate them?

37 posted on 06/10/2009 2:39:52 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: KevinDavis
"Simple, we can find ways to warm up the atmosphere on Mars"

You and I have grossly different definitions of 'simple.'

We can't warm up the atmosphere of Earth, a placed designed for us, enough to halt the crop failures in Siberia, and Canada, but we're going to do it on a planet we can't live on? This stuff is definately for dreamers.

38 posted on 06/10/2009 2:59:17 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Moonman62
"Don't underestimate the power of ignorance."

We won't; we've watched you use it so naturally, that we're in awe.

39 posted on 06/10/2009 3:01:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: edcoil

The movie(s) are a travesty. Start at the beginning and read all 4 of the little books. I have read them several times.

After reading you might be able to take part in the discussion on the answer to the ultimate question. Some think it is 42 but others of us think it is 38. Douglas Adams says Forty-Two.

Keep your towel handy and above all, Don’t Panic


40 posted on 06/10/2009 3:09:47 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The boy's war in Detriot has already cost more then the war in Iraq.)
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To: editor-surveyor
We can't warm up the atmosphere of Earth, a placed designed for us, enough to halt the crop failures in Siberia, and Canada, but we're going to do it on a planet we can't live on? This stuff is definately for dreamers.

Anything is posible for GOD. You should know that. We were made in his image. Someday every thing will be possible for us. Some day.

41 posted on 06/10/2009 3:12:15 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: bert

I’m going to let you in on the secret. THE QUESTION TO THE ULTIMATE ANSWER: When was the last time this telephone was cleaned? You heard it here first.


42 posted on 06/10/2009 3:16:12 PM PDT by Dosa26
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Probably a dead link, I didn't check.
Jupiter's Composition Throws Planet-formation Theories into Disarray
by Robert Roy Britt
Nov 17 1999
Examining four-year-old data, researchers have found significantly elevated levels of argon, krypton and xenon in Jupiter's atmosphere that may force a rethinking of theories about how the planet, and possibly the entire solar system, formed. Prevailing theories of planetary formation hold that the sun gathered itself together in the center of a pancake-shaped disk of gas and dust, then the planets begin to take shape by cleaning up the leftovers. In Jupiter's current orbit, 5 astronomical units from the sun, temperatures are too warm for the planetesimals to have trapped the noble gases. Only in the Kuiper belt -- a frigid region of the solar system more than 40 AU from the sun -- could planetesimals have trapped argon, krypton and xenon.

While lead researcher Tobias Owen does not put much stock in the idea that Jupiter might have migrated inward to its present position, other scientists on the team say the idea merits consideration. Owen expects the probes will find similarly high levels of noble gases in Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. Hints of these gases have even been found in the thick atmosphere of Venus, another planet now begging more study.
IOW, according to evidence, Jupiter formed further out. It has more mass than all the other known solar planets and asteroids -- combined.
43 posted on 06/10/2009 3:31:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: bert

The number 42

Douglas Adams was asked many times during his career why he chose the number 42. Many theories were proposed,[6] but he rejected them all. On November 3, 1993, he gave an answer[7] on alt.fan.douglas-adams:

“The answer to this is very simple. It was a joke. It had to be a number, an ordinary, smallish number, and I chose that one. Binary representations, base thirteen, Tibetan monks are all complete nonsense. I sat at my desk, stared into the garden and thought ‘42 will do.’ I typed it out. End of story.


44 posted on 06/10/2009 3:38:37 PM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't have to say much.)
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To: edcoil

Bahh, no wonder the monkeys picked it out of a scrabble bag and he couldn’t come up with the question.


45 posted on 06/10/2009 3:51:52 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: KevinDavis
As I always had to tell the engineers, “You can build anything with a pencil”.

An artist's drawings are great for illustrating someone's theories but that hardly makes it reality.

Nor does all the computer simulations. Planet formation is still an unknown process.

46 posted on 06/10/2009 4:08:40 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
There's no shortage of theories on planet formation. This is part of what appears at a NASA web site:

“The survey observations support the theory that disk concentration is a necessary step in planet formation, but the specifics appear different. Astronomers originally expected that the large dust grains would settle first, followed by smaller grains, then the gas. However, the Hubble observations revealed it was “all or nothing,” according to Grady. That is, the team did not see some flared disks with large grains, other flared disks with smaller grains, and flared disks of gas. Either a disk had a flare with everything in it, or it had no flare at all. It may be that after the large grains settle, they no longer block light from the central star, which causes the smaller grains and the gas to vanish. “The small grains go solar sailing out of the system, pushed by pressure from the star's light, which also breaks down the gas molecules,” said Grady.
Hubble Survey Finds Missing Link in Planet Formation
01.10.05 NASA web site”

But getting a paper published is what counts.

47 posted on 06/10/2009 5:19:38 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Dosa26

I hear the new Star Trek movie is great.


48 posted on 06/10/2009 5:21:31 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: tumblindice

Can I ask an important question?

The liquid miracle grow I purchased had the numbers 24-4-8.

I did a little research, and found the first number is for ‘green’ growth, the second number is for “fruits and flowers”, the third for “root development”.

For my vegetable and flower garden, shouldn’t I be getting a mix with a higher second number?

I was thinking of taking it back to the store.


49 posted on 06/10/2009 5:28:20 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: editor-surveyor; KevinDavis
We can't warm up the atmosphere of Earth, a placed designed for us, enough to halt the crop failures in Siberia, and Canada, but we're going to do it on a planet we can't live on?

We could, if the enviro-nazis and socialists would get out of the way.

50 posted on 06/10/2009 5:44:56 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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