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Jill Stanek: Missing from Tiller's eulogy - The A-word
WorldNetDaily ^ | 6/10/09 | Jill Stanek

Posted on 06/10/2009 3:53:36 PM PDT by wagglebee

Of everything I read about the June 6 funeral of late-term abortionist George Tiller, I thought this was the most telling, from the New York Times:

But for the most part, Dr. Tiller's funeral focused less on his work than on his life with his family and friends. The word abortion was never uttered. ...

Clearly they all knew: Tiller was murdered for his "life's" work, but the reason was unmentionable? Sad. Even in death George Tiller's "vocation" was anathema.

Imagine eulogizing anyone else murdered for a cause without extolling that for which they were slain. On the contrary, why they died was a reason to eulogize:

Imagine the eulogies of those killed in the line of duty – police officers, firemen, soldiers – without mentioning that for which they sacrificed their lives. It would be a travesty.

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KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; tiller; tillercide
Conversely, without ever saying the A-word, family and friends implied that if anything would earn Tiller a place in both heaven and history as a martyr it would be the tens of thousands of abortions he committed.

It's frightening how out of touch with reality these people are.

1 posted on 06/10/2009 3:53:36 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 06/10/2009 3:54:02 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 06/10/2009 3:54:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Suicides are usually eulogized without mention of their cause of death. Maybe Tiller’s family can’t admit that they cause he died for was shameful.


4 posted on 06/10/2009 3:55:26 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon drama at a time!)
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To: wagglebee

The know it’s evil, but they can’t bring themselves to face what they (many probably) have done.


5 posted on 06/10/2009 3:56:42 PM PDT by Clock King
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To: Tamar1973

Maybe they’re picking up on the fact that they are not making as much progress in making Tiller a martyr as they’d like.

I doubt many people would miss the irony about bemoaning his death for his work in killing babies.

Too bad.....


6 posted on 06/10/2009 3:59:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

Ahhh, what the combination of euphemism, politican correctness and liberalism can bring.

They can’t even say the “A” word. Well, let me slap them into reality:

60,000 ABORTIONS buys a special place in HELL for the late Dr. Tiller!


7 posted on 06/10/2009 4:04:51 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: wagglebee

The world is a better place without him. Too bad his mommy made the wrong “choice”.


8 posted on 06/10/2009 4:12:11 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Joe Biden in '09!!)
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To: wagglebee

I am struck by the fact that he was in a church that apparently never once confronted him with what he was doing, never told him he was wrong, never gave him the chance to repent of it. He died unrepentant from all appearances.

We want abortionists in church, not so they can fill a pew, not so they can help out with the utility bills, but so they can find God, find redemption, find new life rather than remaining a slave and agent of death. And leave the old life behind. He died as far as anyone can know an unrepentant agent of death. And no one said boo, not while he was alive, and not since. Not in that church, at least.


9 posted on 06/10/2009 4:17:30 PM PDT by marron
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To: clintonh8r

I despise everything this man did in this life and I’m not at all sorry someone shot his ass, OK? But, I still can’t go along with what you have to say here.


10 posted on 06/10/2009 4:17:40 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: TMA62

I’m not sorry he’s dead and that “Tiller’s Temple of the Barbaric Sacrament” is no more. Condemning another to hell is not my job, though.


11 posted on 06/10/2009 4:19:23 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: marron
I am struck by the fact that he was in a church that apparently never once confronted him with what he was doing, never told him he was wrong, never gave him the chance to repent of it. He died unrepentant from all appearances.

Some may think that Tiller was unaware of his need for repentance, but that WAS NOT the case:

Partial-Birth Abortionist Confesses He is "Going to Hell"


12 posted on 06/10/2009 4:23:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Thanks

"You can't go to heaven unrepentant, George; you are going to hell." The abortionist George Tiller instantly quipped, "Abortion is worth going to hell for."

Astonishing.

13 posted on 06/10/2009 4:29:17 PM PDT by marron
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To: Emmett McCarthy

whatever...


14 posted on 06/10/2009 4:30:20 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Joe Biden in '09!!)
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To: wagglebee

Though there is considerable doctrinal disagreement between Christian sects, I wonder if there is someone of religious standing who could come right out and express, for cases of extreme murder, that the deceased is indeed, outside of mitigating circumstances, condemned to Hell. They are not condemning him, he has done it to himself.

That is, someone of standing in their denomination who would clearly state: “George Tiller is condemned to Hell for the evil murders he committed in his life.”

No equivocation. No confusion. Clarity. “George Tiller is going to Hell for killing 60,000 babies. He died unrepentant and did not deserve to be buried in sanctified ground. His families’ tears and prayers in his behalf cannot redeem his soul.”

“And there is no Earthly absolution he may be given after death that will free him from the eternal prison of Hell.”

“He freely cast his own soul into Hell, and his damnation is certain.”

There is a purpose for making such a statement, and making it publicly, and stating it clearly. That purpose is to renounce moral relativism. That the punishment for unrepentant mass murder is Hell, however that place or state of being exists.

And George Tiller is there. He cannot be voted out of Hell, or bribed out of Hell. The US Supreme Court cannot declare him redeemed for his sins. The US Congress and the President of the United States cannot resolve that he is no longer in Hell. The entire liberal establishment and academia are powerless to limit George Tiller’s agony.


15 posted on 06/10/2009 4:35:02 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: marron

WOW! That is beyond astonishing. A person could actually think this. That is tantamount to “choosing hell”. I still maintain that it is not my job to make judgement on the soul of another, but he seems to be asking for it. It’s beyond my comprehension.


16 posted on 06/10/2009 4:42:30 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: wagglebee
He's not a saint according to the Catholic Catechism. I bet the devil met him after his particular judgment at the moment of his death.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

17 posted on 06/10/2009 4:49:57 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“George Tiller is going to Hell for killing 60,000 babies.”
__________________________________________________________

This is partially true but not complete. The Bible teaches that all (including me and you) have sinned and have come short of the glory of God (Rom. 3:23). Tiller, like everyone else, was a sinner even before he performed his first abortion.

However, the Bible does teach that man can store up a “sin account” of God’s wrath based on what they have done in this life. If they die in their sins, their punishment in hell will be subject to God’s wrath based on their sins (Rom 2:4-6). From what I understand, there will be varying degrees of punishment in hell for each person there. Hitler’s hell will be great compared to an average person who, while trying to live a good life, still died in their sins. In all likelihood, Tiller died in his sins and is in hell. 60,000 abortions (as well as being an influence for others to abort) has been added to his account; God’s wrath will be proportional to Tiller’s sin account that he unrepentently stored up.

Now, I cannot end on such a dire note. I must end this post with Good News. Jesus died for ALL of our sins. Accept him as your Lord and Savior and your sin account will be expunged. Instead of hell, you will go to heaven!


18 posted on 06/10/2009 5:12:07 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: wagglebee

Some folks are just not operating under the same set of assumptions. Moral, ethical, religious or otherwise.


19 posted on 06/10/2009 5:46:44 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: wagglebee
John 3:19-21:

"This is the judgment: that light has entered the world, and men have preferred darkness to light because their deeds were evil. Everybody who does wrong hates the light and keeps away from it, for fear his deeds may be exposed. But everybody who is living by the truth will come to the light to make it plain that all he has done has been done through God."
20 posted on 06/10/2009 5:57:21 PM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: TMA62

While there are different interpretations of doctrine, this was not the point of the exercise. The point is that loudly it be stated that Tiller is in Hell, for the purpose of dethroning the spiritual relativism that hides behind Christian doctrine for the purpose of undermining that doctrine.

In other words, Tiller’s supporters like to pretend that what he did was somehow, through convoluted logic, morally ambivalent. This assuages their guilt, rationalizes their spiritual revulsion, and allows them to justify murder. They utterly reject that a fetus is in any way human, because if that realization is made, doubt is cast on their moral superiority in their own minds.

But to come out and say that Tiller is in Hell is confronting them head on. Bringing their doubts to the fore. Throwing into question their own complicity, and suggesting that they, too, may be condemned.

So while Christians could discuss the truth of the matter endlessly, for any of them to just come out and say it, and not back down, and to reject other Christian leaders opinions who would give redemption the benefit of the doubt, is to achieve a breakthrough against those that support abortion.

Because any of them have the credibility of life behind them. If they say that George Tiller is in Hell, then who would believe the killers who defend their actions as being somehow moral?


21 posted on 06/10/2009 6:20:17 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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22 posted on 06/10/2009 6:39:11 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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That is what I have found so puzzling in this subject. Take for instance, the title of this thread. At Tiller’s eulogy, they could not even mention the a-word. Think about it. I would imagine that 99% of people could admit who they are and what they do for an occupation. Yet in Tiller’s case, they don’t mention it. Why?

Euphemism is the order of the day on abortion. People use: pro-choice, reproductive rights, the woman’s right to choose.....anything except abortion. The euphemism is such that photos of the by-product of abortion (mutilated babies) are very offensive to people. But, those pictures don’t lie and vividly tell the true reality of what abortion is.

Another tactic of the left uses is to throw up qualifying exceptions like rape, incest, mothers live in peril, etc. In the end the left uses these exceptions in increased magnitude to somehow, moralize abortion in itself. Keep in mind that rape, incest, and mothers life in peril, represent an incredibly small percentage.....yet the left treat it as if they are the leading reasons for abortion. In all, it is an indirect justication....which really isn’t a justification at all.

I have asked myself this question: “what if I am wrong?” My answer to that is that I saw a moral and ethical delemma in abortion. After looking at sources like the bible, I choose a conservative and more restrictive position. If I am wrong, I can have no guilty conscience.

Can the pro-choice side answer that question? Do they have the courage to even confront it? I have estimated that since the 19th century, there have been approximately 1 BILLION surgical abortions world wide. That is 1/6 of the current world’s population. How can the pro-choice movement answer the question: “what if they are wrong?”

I think the on-going emphemism, indirect justifications and total avoidance of the reality of the matter is telling....and very troubling at the same time.

The last item is accountibility and how both sides view it. The pro-life side is very open to discuss accountibility and consequences of actions. The pro-choice side.....well, they avoid it like the plague. The thought of fetuses are more than tissue matter or that there is a heaven and a hell requires to acknowledge accountibility and consequences. The left is mute on this. And their silence is terrorfying.


23 posted on 06/10/2009 7:24:32 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: wagglebee

I was thinking of a different a word that also would have been appropriate.


24 posted on 06/10/2009 7:53:13 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: wagglebee
It's frightening how out of touch with reality these people are.

The more proof I see of the liberal mindset, the more convinced I am that a whole generation of people have fried their brains on drugs.

25 posted on 06/10/2009 8:26:31 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: marron
Astonishing

Absolutely Atrocious.

-PJ

26 posted on 06/10/2009 8:31:08 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (This just in... Voting Republican is a Terrorist act!)
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To: TMA62
My estimate has been for years that there have been over TWO billion abortions, or a THIRD of the count of current human population.

Every year, there are about 50,000,000 abortions, or one billion EVERY TWENTY YEARS. The United States has had 50,000,000 since 1973; Japan has had over 50,000,000 since the 1940s; Communist-controlled China had had hundreds of millions since 1949, including almost 100,000,000 FORCED abortions; the Soviet Union had many tens of millions since 1920; and on and on.

We truly live in a fallen world, and demonic forces have succeeded in imposing this hideous form of child sacrifice to the prince of evil. (As a side note, Jesus Christ specifically stated that Satan exists, Luke 10:18)).

The same demonic force that made Hitler and Stalin delight in the massacre of tens of millions in their pursuit of power is the same spirit that led to the original rebellion from God. And it it the same force that gave Baraq Obama the impetus to issue his statements reversing the "conscience clause" allowing pro-life medical personnel to refuse to participate in abortions. Evil wants to pull all of us into complicity in evil, especially if it against our will.

27 posted on 06/13/2009 4:43:02 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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