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Doctorsí Group Opposes Public Insurance Plan
NYT ^ | 6/10/09 | ROBERT PEAR

Posted on 06/10/2009 8:02:42 PM PDT by Nachum

WASHINGTON — As the health care debate heats up, the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan, which President Obama and many other Democrats see as an essential element of legislation to remake the health care system.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; ama; bho44; democrats; doctors; group; healthcare; insurance; obama; obamacare; opposes; socializedmedicine
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1 posted on 06/10/2009 8:02:42 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: SumProVita; HardStarboard; BradyLS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dervish; Twotone; Free ThinkerNY; ...

The list, ping


2 posted on 06/10/2009 8:03:08 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

The AMA has no clout whatsoever.


3 posted on 06/10/2009 8:03:22 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: Nachum

AMA is in the pocket now of the private insurers?

That’s going to be news to their membership.


4 posted on 06/10/2009 8:05:27 PM PDT by Shermy ("The whole world has financed the United States, ...they have a reciprocal debt with the planet.")
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To: Nachum; All

My father is a physician, and very conservative. He was formerly a member of the AMA and donated quite a bit of money to their PAC over the years. He left the AMA a number of years ago when they started supporting abortion and other liberal agenda items.

If the AMA is actually opposing the public health insurance option, then it must be pretty bad, because the AMA is pretty liberal these days. Alone, this isn’t earth shattering, but it’s good news for our side, IMO.


5 posted on 06/10/2009 8:06:34 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Nachum

I’ll be watching for the demonization, if 0bama et al feel it is necessary, of greedy doctors who will be portrayed as only one notch less greedy than those Wall St. ba***rds who got us into this mess.


6 posted on 06/10/2009 8:06:52 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (What kind of organization answers the phone if you call a suicide hotline in Gaza City?)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I agree with you. The AMA has long had liberal leanings. I think it the American Physcians and Surgeons that support conservative causes.


7 posted on 06/10/2009 8:08:09 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Mamzelle

“The introduction of a new public plan threatens to restrict patient choice by driving out private insurers, which currently provide coverage for nearly 70 percent of Americans.”

Translation: HMOs with their executive pay, advertising, etc. costs cannot compete in a free market with government.

How many AMA honchos are sitting on HMO boards, hold HMO shares?


8 posted on 06/10/2009 8:09:03 PM PDT by Shermy ("The whole world has financed the United States, ...they have a reciprocal debt with the planet.")
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To: Nachum

It’s about time they spoke out.


9 posted on 06/10/2009 8:09:29 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Nachum; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

10 posted on 06/10/2009 8:10:19 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: Nachum

This is good. Right? I thought the AMA had good lobbyists.

Going back to my mantra . . . we need the 17th Amendment Repealed.

Not that it would solve ALL our problems, but it would solve about half of them.

Read Article 1, Section 3 of the US Constitution.


11 posted on 06/10/2009 8:13:19 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: Nachum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP_AdVVKFdM

It wasn’t doctors or lawyers or indians or chiefs who got us in this mess. It’s the bankers behind the Central Bank.

0bambi is just their “puppet du jour.” And he’s so narcissistic that he’s totally unaware. The little twit.


12 posted on 06/10/2009 8:15:21 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann in 2012. With Liz Cheney as Secretary of State.)
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To: Nachum

Too little, too late from this bunch as many if not most supported His Majesty - at least financially.


13 posted on 06/10/2009 8:16:38 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

“This is good. Right?”

What they are offering is Romneycare, making sure everyone is insured by criminalizing the uninsured. It’s a liberal/private insurer alliance.

Some want the “government option” too. Basically something like Medicare expanded. But HMOs cannot compete, their business models are too costly.

This article basically admits that, though the AMA tries to make it sound like an issue of fairness.


14 posted on 06/10/2009 8:19:11 PM PDT by Shermy ("The whole world has financed the United States, ...they have a reciprocal debt with the planet.")
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To: Shermy
Probably quite a few! I hope you enjoy your new GMO (government health organization).
15 posted on 06/10/2009 8:19:33 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

“But we absolutely oppose government control of health care decisions or mandatory physician participation in any insurance plan.”

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Its about time we hear things like this coming out of this org. Normally they are dem a$$ kissers!


16 posted on 06/10/2009 8:21:18 PM PDT by Atom Smasher
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
re: I’ll be watching for the demonization, if 0bama et al feel it is necessary, of greedy doctors who will be portrayed as only one notch less greedy than those Wall St. ba***rds who got us into this mess.)))

Yep. And docs are not going to fight it. They are too few in number, and the GOP turned tail at the first sign of battle the last time docs tried. I hope docs wise up and unionize.

17 posted on 06/10/2009 8:21:47 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: zerosix
re: Too little, too late from this bunch as many if not most supported His Majesty - at least financially.))

NONSENSE--show me the numbers. Lefty docs are the ones trying to anything to escape having to practice medicine.

18 posted on 06/10/2009 8:23:24 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: Nachum

Big news sort of, every interest group (doctors, insurers, unions, AARP, etc.) has been lobbying behind closed doors with the Kennedy caucus and Baucus to get their share of the pie.

I’m glad the AMA has finally said something publicly, but it is significant because TOTUS is planning to address/pressure the AMA in an event this Monday. Otherwise, I doubt we’d hear much from AMA until hard decisions on the exact legislation are reached.


19 posted on 06/10/2009 8:23:51 PM PDT by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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To: Mamzelle

“I hope you enjoy your new GMO”

Got a ways to go until Medicare.

But most I know are glad to get into it. More freedom of choice of doctors.


20 posted on 06/10/2009 8:23:55 PM PDT by Shermy ("The whole world has financed the United States, ...they have a reciprocal debt with the planet.")
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To: Nachum

The AMA sucks!!!!


21 posted on 06/10/2009 8:24:13 PM PDT by org.whodat ("Way past time for new commodities regulation")
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To: Nachum
I guess that means they have pulled the license of that joke doctoring on the California sow???
22 posted on 06/10/2009 8:25:52 PM PDT by org.whodat ("Way past time for new commodities regulation")
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To: Nachum
Alternate headline:

"AMA resuscitates itself"

They seem to have finally "come to".

23 posted on 06/10/2009 8:26:19 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Nachum
I see in the article above that the New York Slimes is so clever and careful to refer to the proposed health entitlement as "the government-sponsored insurance plan".

Looks like some freepers on this thread have unwittingly gone along with this silky-smooth description by repeating it.

Why not call this poison pill what it really is.....Socialized Medicine or Forced National Health Care.

Sheesh!

Leni

24 posted on 06/10/2009 8:26:54 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Don't Blame Me..............I Voted for the American.)
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To: Nachum

WHOA. HUGE news. The AMA had been generally supportive and otherwise staying on the sidelines.


25 posted on 06/10/2009 8:28:03 PM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: Mamzelle
AMA is a Leftist organization who supports abortion, and every other leftist idea of "medicine."

Conservative doctors long ago left this group and the ones who stayed either didn't care one way or another or were in line with the leftist thinking.

All you need to do to find "proof" in what I say, is go to the leftist candidates and see just how much is donated to them and their pet PACs by the AMA.

AMA really supports doctors the way that AARP really is on the side of the elderly.

26 posted on 06/10/2009 8:28:13 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Nachum

Can’t imagine why.


27 posted on 06/10/2009 8:29:24 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Gothmog

Maybe the doctors should strike. That seems to work for the unions and it would get congress’s attention, and might even wake up the emperor with no clothes.


28 posted on 06/10/2009 8:32:59 PM PDT by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: MinuteGal

It’s all socialized medicine that is being contemplated The Republicans are sponsoring socialized medicine. The “Private Insurer” with its bureaucracies and executive costs is just another layer of costs in this socialized medicine bill. They want you to think it is not “socialized” because they want to keep their cut and increase their cut, so they play on terms like “private.” They are partners with the government in this. The Republicans that I hear are not objecting to socialized medicine, but that they want to keep the unneeded costs of executives, bureaucracies, etc. of the insurers in the socialized medicine framework.


29 posted on 06/10/2009 8:35:06 PM PDT by Shermy ("The whole world has financed the United States, ...they have a reciprocal debt with the planet.")
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To: zerosix

The main thing for the AMA is to protect the doctors pay, by controlling the number of medical schools and the number of students. If you want better and more affordable medicine, triple the number of doc’s. Competition is a good thing!!!


30 posted on 06/10/2009 8:35:22 PM PDT by org.whodat ("Way past time for new commodities regulation")
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To: Nachum; Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
...the American Medical Association is letting Congress know that it will oppose creation of a government-sponsored insurance plan...

Bend over. (And yes, this one is gonna hurt.)

31 posted on 06/10/2009 8:37:45 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea Totaler)
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To: Shermy

That is why Obama is now getting to the issue of pay. Its not wallstreet pay its the Health Industry pay. You watch how the will frame this issue.

We need Gov health care due to Insurance company and doctor greed.


32 posted on 06/10/2009 8:38:33 PM PDT by ncfool
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To: HighlyOpinionated
Not that it would solve ALL our problems, but it would solve about half of them.

I would get a second opinion.

33 posted on 06/10/2009 8:39:36 PM PDT by Libloather (Tea Totaler)
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To: ncfool

I don’t think he will. I never thought he was sincere about the “government option”. Most of them are in the pockets of the insurers.


34 posted on 06/10/2009 8:42:24 PM PDT by Shermy ("The whole world has financed the United States, ...they have a reciprocal debt with the planet.")
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To: ncfool

BTW, he was never sincere about “Wall Street Pay” either.


35 posted on 06/10/2009 8:52:51 PM PDT by Shermy ("The whole world has financed the United States, ...they have a reciprocal debt with the planet.")
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To: org.whodat

Triple the number of docs and you can have the last one that got into medical school operate on you...Moron....


36 posted on 06/10/2009 9:03:54 PM PDT by TortReformer
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To: zerosix
Too little, too late from this bunch as many if not most supported His Majesty - at least financially.

If the AMA doctors will not play ball, 0 will just have doctors from off shore brought in to man his clinics.

37 posted on 06/10/2009 9:08:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.)
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To: Nachum

Good! Now they should mention that most Dr’s who are within 10 years of retirement just might do it early. Since there aren’t enough Doctors already to cover an extra 40 million having even fewer ought to really be good.


38 posted on 06/10/2009 9:08:42 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Mike Darancette
No need to look "off shore" for these folk - plenty are already here - either in HMOs or at teaching hospitals seeing patients.

Look up docs in your yellow pages and check out the number of foreign ones.

I once had a doctor bring in an intern to "assist" in his examination. The doctor actually left the room and let the intern proceed. Interestingly enough, I was totally unable to understand the guy (either PAK or other)so that the doctor had to "take over" up on his return.

I felt that I should have only been charged 1/2 for visit as the doc had intended letting his "help" do the office visit for him, of course, no such luck!

39 posted on 06/10/2009 9:13:29 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: zerosix
The leadership of the AMA may have make prochoice noises from time to time, but I'd like you to show me how they are a PAC for the left. I don't think you can, which is why you challenged me to do your research for you.

What they are is WEAK. Weak in numbers and in clout. They supported the GOP, and the GOP won't ever stand up for a constituency if it means they won't get approval and invitations to DC cocktail parties. Even Newt hung private medicine out to dry--making believe that some penny ante fraud was at the hear of increased medical expense. They can't save you from Obamacare.

40 posted on 06/10/2009 9:14:54 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: zerosix
re: I felt that I should have only been charged 1/2 for visit as the doc had intended letting his "help" do the office visit for him, of course, no such luck! )))

LOL. Well, you're going to have even less say in the future. The bills will be paid directly out of your paycheck.

41 posted on 06/10/2009 9:16:14 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: Mamzelle

Didn’t say AMA was a Pac but rather that they donate to liberals PACs.


42 posted on 06/10/2009 9:17:59 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: org.whodat
Medical care really has little to do with doctors and much to do with hospitals and ancillary personnel--nurses, admins, techs, machines, techs who service machines--

I get weary from people fluttering their hospitalization bills in front of my nose complaining of the high cost of doctors, when the "doctor bill" is such a small part of the cost of a surgical/treatment at their hospitals. If you have a gall bladder taken out, look at the actual charge from the surgeon. It is a very small part of the total bill. Mostly you are paying to support the infrastructure, not the MD.

43 posted on 06/10/2009 9:23:37 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: zerosix
re: Didn’t say AMA was a Pac but rather that they donate to liberals PACs.))

You didn't say anything that was documented, specific or accountable. 'Nuff said.

44 posted on 06/10/2009 9:24:36 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: chris_bdba
re: Good! Now they should mention that most Dr’s who are within 10 years of retirement just might do it early. Since there aren’t enough Doctors already to cover an extra 40 million having even fewer ought to really be good.)))

Yeah! Exactly!

It is a tragedy, a horror, to have all this skillful experience driven into retirement.

45 posted on 06/10/2009 9:26:41 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: Nachum

I’m surprised that leftist group is coming out against anything the one proposes. I left the AMA after medical school when I found out how far left they are. They make Chrissy Matthews look positively conservative.


46 posted on 06/10/2009 9:27:53 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: TortReformer

Aint that the truth. Quantity does not equal quality. We have enough quality problems with some of the people getting into medical school now. The best and the brightest are wising up and not going into medicine where they will delay their earnings by several years, be regulated to death, and relatively underpaid compared to other professionals and even some skilled trades.


47 posted on 06/10/2009 9:33:14 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: chris_bdba

I will be one of them


48 posted on 06/10/2009 9:35:37 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: Atom Smasher

Government Hospital Admission: Are you a Democrat? Yes, go to the front of the ten year line and wait for care. Are you a Republican? Just die already and give us all your money.
There that about sums it up.


49 posted on 06/10/2009 10:16:48 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (It is a tale, told by an idiot.....living in DC)
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To: Mom MD

You know what they call the guy who finished last in his class in medical school? (Doctor) Scary, isn’t it.


50 posted on 06/10/2009 10:18:11 PM PDT by Semperfiwife (It is a tale, told by an idiot.....living in DC)
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