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Republicans should focus on increasing their share of white votes.

Posted on 06/11/2009 10:38:35 AM PDT by Dayton3

Why does everyone insist on the GOP reaching out to Hispanic and black voters?

Sure, non Hispanic whites will be the minority in the U.S. (though by far the LARGEST minority) in the 2040-2050 time frame.

But there are a lot of presidential elections between now and then.

If the GOP increased its take of white votes from 58% (2004) or 55% (2008) to 70% or better, then it could win virtually any election with little minority support.

And why as so many claim would it be racist?

Is it racist when 94% of black voters vote for the Democratic candidate or 80% of Hispanic voters go Democratic?

Why waste the time and resources on making minor inroads among blacks and Hispanics when the GOP could start a quest to secure more white votes from a position of strength?


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1 posted on 06/11/2009 10:38:36 AM PDT by Dayton3
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To: Dayton3
Why don't we just forget about skin color and just tell everyone why Conservative principles are good for all 300 million Americans?

I'm tired of the racism. From either side. Skin color doesn't matter -- ideas do.

2 posted on 06/11/2009 10:41:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (We are a ruled people, serfs to the Federal Oligarchy -- and the Tree of Liberty thirsts)
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To: Dayton3

If the Republican party would drop its support for so-called “free trade”, they would have that 70% support overnight.


3 posted on 06/11/2009 10:41:36 AM PDT by SandWMan (Even if you can't legislate morality, you can legislate morally.)
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To: Dayton3

Useless vanity newbie.

Sure you are not trolling for attention?


4 posted on 06/11/2009 10:45:16 AM PDT by misterrob (A society that burdens future generations with debt can not be considered moral or just)
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To: Dayton3

The American electorate has become greedy and pussified.

The party with the most hand-outs wins.


5 posted on 06/11/2009 10:45:50 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Dayton3

“Is it racist when 94% of black voters vote for the Democratic candidate or 80% of Hispanic voters go Democratic?”

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Why yes. Yes, it is. Indeed.


6 posted on 06/11/2009 10:46:25 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Why don't we just forget about skin color and just tell everyone why Conservative principles are good for all 300 million Americans?"

You may be telepathic. (Or perhaps I was reading your thoughts - no matter.) I was thinking the same thoughts as I opened this post to reply. The only things that really matter in the end are conservative values. Those values can (and should) win the day every time.

7 posted on 06/11/2009 10:46:35 AM PDT by davisfh ( Islam is a very serious mental illness)
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To: SandWMan
If the Republican party would drop its support for so-called “free trade”, they would have that 70% support overnight.

Far, far less than 70% of the American public have a clue of what "free trade" is. Most couldn't even give you a definition of socialism, fascism or even capitalism. The ignorance of the American Public is astounding.

8 posted on 06/11/2009 10:48:44 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Dayton3

Complete and total BS post. You’re useless.


9 posted on 06/11/2009 10:50:49 AM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Dayton3

10 posted on 06/11/2009 10:52:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SandWMan
If the Republican party would drop its support for so-called “free trade”, they would have that 70% support overnight.

That and they start dancing with the ugly old voters that vote for them instead of the ones on K street that buy them.

11 posted on 06/11/2009 10:54:30 AM PDT by org.whodat ("Way past time for new commodities regulation")
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To: Dayton3

How about focussing on promoting objective conservative principles, which are colorblind and can benefit anyone of any race, and stop worrying about racial classifications!


12 posted on 06/11/2009 10:54:42 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Big_Monkey
You've got to get off those drugs. You are looking in the mirror and typing to yourself again.
13 posted on 06/11/2009 10:56:29 AM PDT by org.whodat ("Way past time for new commodities regulation")
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To: Dayton3

I guess it’s just bad timing on your part to post this the day after a white supremacist kills a guard at the Holocaust museum.

Your post does remind me of my bipolar mom’s tendency to express every thought she has verbally. Sometimes thoughts are best left unexpressed.


14 posted on 06/11/2009 10:57:39 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Dayton3

He is right. Hispanics and Blacks will never go for the Republicans.

The Republican base is the white, middle-class male. If the GOP could increase the number of white, middle-class women in their ranks, they would win a lot more elections.

That is the policy they should be following - direct their efforts at white women and they will again be in the majority and be able to reform America back to its original principles.


15 posted on 06/11/2009 10:59:11 AM PDT by FFranco (To be stupid, and selfish, and to have good health are the three requirements for happiness.)
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To: org.whodat
"You've got to get off those drugs. You are looking in the mirror and typing to yourself again. "

Yaaaawwwwwnnnnnn.

16 posted on 06/11/2009 11:02:20 AM PDT by Big_Monkey
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To: Dayton3

Finally an intelligent observation. Many of my friends of color always wonder loudly what would happen if whites vote like a bloc no differently than blacks and hispanics. My response is that one day that will happen if blacks and hispanics do not become enlightned just like most whites. In the 1960’s many whites emotionally were not ready to see people of color as equal, but nagging their concience is the fact that their immigrant grandparents were once mistreated. If it was not funny when it happened to their family, why inflict it on Americans of color? The other factor nagging whites were many of them were Christians, and their denominations also included people of color. They were taught that they must treat the members of their denomination/faith as brothers, so why are they hesistant to carry out their beliefs when it comes to brothers of color in their faith? Finally after WW2 the US proclaimed themselves to be the leader of the free world, thus how can they enjoy the full benefits of freedom and yet limit it to their fellow citizens of color? It is because of these nagging factors that whites had to overcome their emotional barriers and practice what they preach. No nation has affirmative action for their own minorities at the expense of some in the majority like the US implemented in the 1970’s. Blacks and hispanics do not like racism impinged on them and rightfully so, but when they mistreat whites they rationalize it away by claiming they have a unique situation that allows them to do it. You take the Supreme Court nomination. The problem is not she is a hispanic, but that what she said, belonging to a group that expouses race, and being a member of an all female social club, acts that would disqualify a white male candidate is being overlooked or not discussed. If whites are held to a certain standard, people of color are also expected to be held to the same standard. Otherwise whites will wake up and don’t give a damn about people of color and vote accordingly, When that day comes, they will outvote anyone of color and the country will be a different place. People of color will have no one to blame but themselves.


17 posted on 06/11/2009 11:03:27 AM PDT by Fee (Peace, prosperity, jobs and common sense)
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To: Dayton3
Conservative principles have NOTHING to do with skin color.
Conservative ideas work for anyone who holds and practices them.

The whole racism charge is a product of the left to sway the ignorant to vote for them.

18 posted on 06/11/2009 11:06:42 AM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Bullish

There’s another reason the left cries “racist” at the drop of a hat -

we’ve let it work to silence us from telling the truth.

We’ve essentially trained the left to bottom deal the race card.


19 posted on 06/11/2009 11:07:41 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Dayton3

In your opinion, is there something missing or lacking in the conservative message that you feel that the only winning choice is to play identity politics?

If your message is so weak that you have to fret over skin color to win, perhaps the problem isn’t who isn’t voting for you, but why they aren’t voting for you.

Small-government conservatism. We should try it sometime.


20 posted on 06/11/2009 11:09:13 AM PDT by mountainbunny (Mitt Romney: Collect the whole set!)
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To: Dayton3
How about we find all those people that are tired of seeing their freedom slip away under the wheels of a burgeoning bureaucracy and concentrate on them.

Regardless of sex, race, or creed...

You know, like our Republic was designed to do.

21 posted on 06/11/2009 11:10:08 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: FFranco
"He is right. Hispanics and Blacks will never go for the Republicans."

Protestant Hispanics do, Bush got 56% of their vote in 2004 and McCain/Palin got 48% of their vote in 2008, they are definitely open to the republican party.

22 posted on 06/11/2009 11:11:24 AM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Dayton3
Why does everyone insist on the GOP reaching out to Hispanic and black voters?....Sure, non Hispanic whites will be the minority in the U.S. (though by far the LARGEST minority) in the 2040-2050 time frame....But there are a lot of presidential elections between now and then.

The GOP should attract voters based on issues, not race. There are parties out there that will embrace racism, the GOP shouldn't be one of the. It may come as a shock, but lots of whites don't like racists, thus a racist appeal won't work. Thanks for bringing it up at a time FR is being accused of racism.

23 posted on 06/11/2009 11:12:08 AM PDT by SJackson (G-d da*n America, Jeremiah Wright---Don't tell me words don't matter!, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Dayton3

Courting votes on a racial basis, white, yellow, brown or black, is evil.
The GOP needs to state their principles, explain how they will benefit the nation and its citizens and stand by them. They should avoid addressing racist groups like La Raza and the NAA(L)CP simply because they ARE racist. They should denounce people courting these groups as the racists they are.


24 posted on 06/11/2009 11:14:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Hear hear.


25 posted on 06/11/2009 11:16:17 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Dayton3
Hispanics and older blacks are natural candidates for the GOP. They are religious, hard-working and love their families. They are against gay marriage, drug use and casual sex.

The Democrats have them so segmented and brain washed, they seem deaf to the conservative message, but they're still worth fighting for.

26 posted on 06/11/2009 11:17:15 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: FFranco
What are white issues, as contrasted with positions predicated on benefiting America, thus all Americans?

I presume you'd advocate a change from the GOP's pro-life position, since you won't get 70% of white women without it.

27 posted on 06/11/2009 11:18:26 AM PDT by SJackson (G-d da*n America, Jeremiah Wright---Don't tell me words don't matter!, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Unam Sanctam

I agree. I volunteer with many black and hispanic folks that are every bit as conservative as I am. Why support doing anything that would make them feel unwelcome? Conservatism is open to anyone who has common sense and decent values no matter what color they are.


28 posted on 06/11/2009 11:21:35 AM PDT by lovesdogs (I will die on my feet if it is God's will. But I will not live on my knees for any man.)
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To: Dayton3

You sound like a newbie racist troll! Scat - go away.


29 posted on 06/11/2009 11:21:43 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Dayton3

A lot of whites voted Obama as feeing themselves of guilt, expecting to feel good about themselves.

Now that the black they have placed on the pedestal has been proven incompetent (along with some others that come to mind like Holder, Powell, Steele, Burris, Paterson, Patrick) it would seem that whites may think again on voting their feelings instead of their minds.

Definitely true if another 9/11 occurs, as incompetency in POTUS after all does have consequences.


30 posted on 06/11/2009 11:24:59 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: Dayton3

Most conservatives understand that the point of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution (as amended) is to apply all principles to each and every person individually regardless of race, creed, color...etc.

The political advantage of this is that these principles do, in fact, cross racial and other group lines. The strength of the Constitution is what conservatives have - every single person is a minority of one and so is equally protected by our Constitution and our laws.

The rest is race/gender/whatever group baiting at best. We teach conservative principles to everyone, we end up with a majority of voters.


31 posted on 06/11/2009 11:29:20 AM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Why don’t we just forget about skin color and just tell everyone why Conservative principles are good for all 300 million Americans?

well said, couldn’t have said it better myself!


32 posted on 06/11/2009 11:30:24 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Everything that hits the fan is not evenly distributed)
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To: paulycy

I’m no fan of identity politics myself.

But it is a useful tool that the other side uses. And I see no reason for the GOP to unilaterally disarm itself.

I still don’t see why it is racist to target white voters and maximize their turnout.


33 posted on 06/11/2009 1:14:19 PM PDT by Dayton3
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To: misterrob

Trolling? I think it is a legitimate idea myself.


34 posted on 06/11/2009 1:14:19 PM PDT by Dayton3
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To: Dayton3
I still don’t see why it is racist to target white voters and maximize their turnout.

As part of a larger strategy that could be a great focusing tactic. But you'd have to be pretty clear about just what is "white" about it as opposed to using a tactic that applies equally to everyone.

It's tricky. Off the top of my head I can't think of anything that would appeal only to whites but I'm overdue for my nap so maybe that's not too surprising...

35 posted on 06/11/2009 1:25:15 PM PDT by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: Prokopton

True, but if the GOP could be counted upon as the party of no bailouts, even the dumbest voter would get the message.


36 posted on 06/11/2009 1:41:48 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Chains you can believe in...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Why don't we just forget about skin color and just tell everyone why Conservative principles are good for all 300 million Americans?

Because they're not. Conservative principles clearly work to the detriment of criminals, illegal aliens and their sympathizers, welfare leeches, and individuals who receive preferential treatment on account of their race. It is completely reasonable for them to expect that their interests would not be served by a right-wing regime.

BTW, this thread sounds a lot like the "Sailer Strategy."

37 posted on 06/11/2009 1:58:53 PM PDT by bornred
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To: Dayton3

Presidential Elections Percent White vote

1976 89% White vote
1980 88% White vote
1984 86% White vote
1988 85% White vote
1992 87% White vote
1996 83% White vote
2000 81% White vote
2004 77% White vote
2008 74% White vote

Add to this declining base the fact that the Democrats also have their share of hard corp White voters. It would be very hard to base a victorious national strategy on a voter appeal primarily to Whites, particularly in the long run. A way has to be found to appeal to minorities. Since Obama has a lock on the Black vote in 2012, IMO, Hispanics and Asians are another place to try.


38 posted on 06/11/2009 2:34:51 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Why are even conservatives so opposed to this idea?

I want to win elections.

All the values and principles in the world will not help a political party that is never in power.

What people seem to forget is that conservative, small govt. principles are basically “white voter” principles.

White voters are the ones most likely to benefit from conservative small govt.

Minorities and recent immigrants benefit more heavily from federal govt. programs.


39 posted on 06/11/2009 8:49:24 PM PDT by Dayton3
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To: Dayton3
"Why are even conservatives so opposed to this idea?"

Because it is a stupid idea. Only people who will not face demographic facts cling to the idea.

40 posted on 06/11/2009 8:59:51 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Demographics are the reason the GOP should adopt such a strategy.

It could give us elections for years to come. And the power to keep those demographic projections from becoming reality.


41 posted on 06/14/2009 2:35:53 PM PDT by Dayton3
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To: Big_Monkey

It was a great post. Thinking outside the PC box. Quite useful.


42 posted on 06/14/2009 2:44:26 PM PDT by Post5203 (0bama is the Jim Jones of the new millennium.)
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To: Dayton3; Black Agnes; Travis McGee; dixiechick2000; Yudan; puroresu; Squantos; chasio649; ...

I agree with you 100%..

blacks are a lost cause and the microdemographics there make it impossible...they have gerrymandered themselves

latinos same thing just not quite as severe

Jews ditto but almost too few to matter

PC freepers who eschew this realspeak simply are ignorant of the realities of our new demographics and are focusing on pollyanna whatifs.

aside from Christian whites who can we count on?

Viets, older Cubans and Japanese....anyone else?


43 posted on 06/14/2009 4:34:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama may lie better than Slick did.)
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To: Dayton3
You won't get enough percentage of the White people to get and maintain power. As a matter of fact if it was attempted the party would actually lose Whites who would not want to be associated with the tactic.

Those were not projections I posted, they were actual percentages of White voters in Presidential elections. The electorate is not getting Whiter. Long term, minorities have to be recruited or the GOP is the new Whig party.

44 posted on 06/14/2009 5:30:13 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

That is the first of what I would consider to be a legitimate criticism of this strategy because it brings “white guilt” into play.

Which I think played a big role in the victory by President Obama.


45 posted on 06/14/2009 9:16:24 PM PDT by Dayton3
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To: Dayton3
Sure White Guilt played a role and damn every one who voted for Obama based on that, but it was not White Guilt that turned White people from the Dixiecrats and Strom Thurmond in 1948 or the American Independent Party when George Wallace ran in 1968.

Most people did not want what they were Selling. The electorate was much Whiter then than it will ever be again.

The GOP would never get 70% of the White vote. The Democrats have their own share of the Whites that are hard corps voters for them.

46 posted on 06/14/2009 10:07:58 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: wardaddy; Anti-Bubba182; Dayton3
I'm surprised the PC-Cons haven't yet mentioned that "Martin Luther King was a Republican." Or haven't yet suggested that all we need to do is remind blacks of "the racist history of the Democratic Party" and they'll come roaring over to our side.

We got into this mess in the first place because Republicans brilliantly fell for the argument that race doesn't matter forty-something years ago. Why, America could be 77% black Muslims from the Third World and it wouldn't make a dime's worth of difference. They'd still relate to our Founding Fathers and our history of capitalism and religious liberty. They'd have landed America on the moon in 1969, right on schedule, if they'd come here in 1803 and picked up on Jeffersonian ideals.

So we bought that nonsense, as did the Tories in Britain, and the conservative parties throughout the Western world. And we now have decades of proof that it isn't true, but people still insist that if we only had the right message, we could turn Detroit and East Los Angeles into hotbeds of Republican conservatism.

Anti-Bubba, you wrote:

You won't get enough percentage of the White people to get and maintain power. As a matter of fact if it was attempted the party would actually lose Whites who would not want to be associated with the tactic.

Those were not projections I posted, they were actual percentages of White voters in Presidential elections. The electorate is not getting Whiter. Long term, minorities have to be recruited or the GOP is the new Whig party.

What you're basically saying is that white voters are so imprinted with liberalism that they would rather see America become a Third World nation than be perceived as racist. Note that I said perceived, because there is actually nothing racist about defending oneself against racial aggression. So millions of whites will continue to defer to the Obamas and the Sotomayors as they overtly work to promote the interests of non-whites at the expense of whites. They'll do this on the grounds that resistance would be an immoral tactic they wouldn't want to be associated with.

Well, you're probably right. Which is why at some point the nation will probably balkanize and that will be the end of the American experiment, assuming it isn't over already.

You can just forget about winning non-whites, because with the exception of some Asian groups which aren't all that big, it's a lost cause. So, in all likelihood, is America.

47 posted on 06/14/2009 10:10:50 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
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To: puroresu
"What you're basically saying is that white voters are so imprinted with liberalism that they would rather see America become a Third World nation than be perceived as racist.... "

I said no such thing and go screw yourself for suggesting it. Being against racism and Jim Crow does not make one a liberal. The historical precedents for a White party strategy are parties like the Dixiecrats or American Independent Party, both defeated decisively in much Whiter times.

48 posted on 06/14/2009 10:24:17 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Dayton3; wardaddy
I said no such thing and go screw yourself for suggesting it.

Thanks for maintaining such a high level of discourse.

It's exactly what you're saying, as your quote below demonstrates:

Being against racism and Jim Crow does not make one a liberal.

Where did anyone suggest promoting racism and Jim Crow? You see, you perceive any suggestion that white people have any interests at all as being racist. You perceive any suggestion that white voters should be courted as being racist and immoral. But no one feels that way about courting blacks or other minorities. All Dayton3 suggested was that the GOP should try to get more white votes (because winning the non-white vote is obviously not possible) and people think that's just the more horrible thing they've ever heard. To wit, they'd rather lose the country than try overtly to win white votes.

The historical precedents for a White party strategy are parties like the Dixiecrats or American Independent Party, both defeated decisively in much Whiter times.

Which is why I said you were probably right. Most, or at least 45% or so, of whites would rather lose the country to people like Obama and Sotomayor and La Raza than to be perceived as defending white interests. That would be "racist" in their minds, and they'd rather capitulate. And that's true even though Dayton3 and others are not suggesting the creation of a racist party. They're merely suggesting that the GOP take white interests into account when those interests are racially attacked from the left. But we live in such a PC world that that's considered racist.

49 posted on 06/14/2009 10:44:08 PM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (REALLY & TRULY updated!).)
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Dayton3; puroresu
The GOP would never get 70% of the White vote

Who told you such nonsense. We only need a few points more than last time out when we got 55%...a figure that used to insure GOP victory

like it or not Bubba , the GOP is the home to white conservatives for now...we cannot get enough blacks or browns to matter unless we become like Dems ...which is what some advocate...like Colin and Lindsey for example

you better wakeup and smell the coffee, the anti-white vote elected Obama as much or more than the kumbaya white vote and yes Virginia, race matters..at least when non whites vote

50 posted on 06/14/2009 10:48:27 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama may lie better than Slick did.)
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