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Microsoft to Sell Windows in E.U. Without Browser
Reuters ^ | June 11, 2009 | Bill Rigby and Gerald E. McCormick

Posted on 06/11/2009 1:30:05 PM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: Blackyce

Solution to this whole discussion: Buy a Mac.


41 posted on 06/11/2009 2:28:59 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: eCSMaster

I don’t think they were lying. Remember that was when dos was still part of windows, the basic kernel OS that launched windows.

Microsoft bought out the dos kernel or whatever it was from Symmtech(?) and then did away with it, or integrated it, and now windows itself is the basic OS kernal. No more dos.

I may be completely wrong however, but I do remember dos and windows were two separate companies at one time and windows had to use dos until it bought them out. dos 7 was the last of dos in win98.


42 posted on 06/11/2009 2:33:11 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: reaganaut1

wget, ftp, are all valid ways to get browsers without a browser..


43 posted on 06/11/2009 2:44:41 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: pleikumud
"Solution to this whole discussion: Buy a Mac."

Mac isn't all that either. There are some good Mac programs, just like there are good windows based programs that aren't available for Mac.

It's only because Mac has a much smaller share of the market that hackers don't put as much effort into writing viruses for it. It isn't magically hack proof. It's just an ordinary unix kernel based system.

44 posted on 06/11/2009 2:54:12 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: lormand
I have Linux Ubuntu, MacOS X, and Windows XP and 7 at home and at work. I also use both browser types.

LOL! Me too. Throw in Sun also and W2K3 and W2K8. Frankly, if you get so worked up over a browser or an operating system I'd rather you not get near my systems :)

45 posted on 06/11/2009 2:58:51 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Gitmo detainees to Alcatraz!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

And it’s anticompetitive if Microsoft gets bragging rights for their free browser instead of Opera getting bragging rights for THEIR free browser because...


46 posted on 06/11/2009 3:37:40 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I had a working demo version of Excel that had a Windowsy GUI interface and loaded over DOS in 1989 I think.


47 posted on 06/11/2009 3:41:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: reaganaut1; swarthyguy
Actually this is a good thing. I wish they would ship the one in the states without a browser, I don't use I.E. and I hate the updates they try to force on me constantly. If you wanted I.E. shipped you could probably specify it or, in a really free market, you could specify whatever browser you wish to have installed when you buy the computer.

All a person has to do is download the Firefox download file and burn it to a CD or DVD and then when you get your new computer slap that in and go for it.

I would actually settle for MS simply making it possible to delete I.E. off a machine for good.

48 posted on 06/11/2009 4:32:57 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Nathan Zachary
I may be completely wrong however, but I do remember dos and windows were two separate companies at one time and windows had to use dos until it bought them out. dos 7 was the last of dos in win98.

You are completely wrong. Gates bought MS dos from a guy after his split with IBM, IBM used a form of DOS and Bill couldn't use it to start his own company so he bought MSDOS from a guy for, it is rumored but not proved, 50,000. He started MS with MSDOS, morphed into windows1, a truly horrible program, made it to Windows3 and 3.1, 3.1 wasn't bad. As he upgraded Windows he upgraded the versions of DOS(which windows ran over), and the last really powerful version was DOS5, after that they started gutting DOS until finally(supposedly)there is no more DOS. In reality you have to have some sort of DOS on a computer, or OS if you wish to be picky.

There is a program called DOSBOX that you can download for free that will run all of your old dos programs if you still have any. Lots of the older games that people still like will run in DOSBOX and at the correct speed usually. DOSBOX will work in Vista also, I have tried it and know for a fact it functions and runs older programs.

49 posted on 06/11/2009 4:41:02 PM PDT by calex59
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To: reaganaut1

This might have meant something in 1997.


50 posted on 06/11/2009 5:39:03 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Better to convert enemies to allies than to destroy them)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"Solution to this whole discussion: Buy a Mac."
Mac isn't all that either. There are some good Mac programs, just like there are good windows based programs that aren't available for Mac.

It's only because Mac has a much smaller share of the market that hackers don't put as much effort into writing viruses for it. It isn't magically hack proof. It's just an ordinary unix kernel based system.

. . . which is why I don't see any viruses on my Mac, and why Mac users don't buy antivirus software for their machine. Everyone knows that the hacker syndicate is like the Associated Press, a unified and homogenous group which strictly adheres to the discipline of not writing hacks for the Mac. I wonder how many viruses there were running wild infecting Windows PCs back when there were fewer Windows PCs in the US than there are Macs now?

But comes the revolution, boy, those Mac and iPhone/iTouch users are gonna go to far buying OS X.
Then, WHAMM! Every Mac in the world is going to blow up. </sarcasm>

Unix isn't magic, but Windows - at least the way programs have been written for it, taking dangerous privileges for granted which makes the computer vulnerable - seems to be "magic" in just the wrong way. Do they even try to sell virus protection for Linux at all, or is it taken for granted that Linux users know that their system isn't vulnerable in anything like the way that Windows is?


51 posted on 06/12/2009 3:24:07 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

“Solution to this whole discussion: Buy a Mac.”

Well don’t buy too many EU bureaucrats protectors that protect the world from leading successful American companies will eat on Apple too!


52 posted on 06/12/2009 11:18:52 AM PDT by Rock N Jones
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