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How George Tiller Drove his Own Employee to Join Operation Rescue (Graphic Content Alert!)
LifeSite ^ | June 12, 2009 | Kathleen Gilbert

Posted on 06/12/2009 10:15:13 AM PDT by NYer

ENID, Oklahoma, June 11, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A former employee of Kansas late-term abortionist George Tiller has shared how her gruesome experiences at Tiller's abortion facility drove her away from her pro-choice views and into a life of activism for the rights of the unborn.

Luhra Tivis, who was hired as a temp worker for Tiller and eventually became a full employee for one year, discussed her story Tuesday with the Enid News & Eagle in the wake of Tiller's death May 31. Tiller was shot and killed while serving as an usher in his Lutheran church. His family has stated that Tiller's Wichita abortion facility, Women's Health Care Services, will not reopen.

In addition to normal secretarial work, Tivis told the Eagle that she "underwent some sales training" when she began work in 1988. In a separate testimony, published on the Pro-Life Action League's website, Tivis explained: "I thought they were going to tell me how they want the information sheet filled out and how to keep the phone record and this and that.

"But what I was handed instead was a packet of information - materials to study - on how to be a high-pressure salesperson over the phone, like telemarketing: how to convince somebody to buy your product."

Though Tivis says Tiller assured her at the outset that he only performed late-term abortions on "severely deformed" children or for a medical crisis, Tivis says she soon came to realize that Tiller's words were not consistent with his practice.

“I was seeing eight- and nine-month pregnant women come in,” she said, “and out of those two dozen a week, only about 2 percent had medical deformities. I thought I was pro-choice back then, but week after week I kept seeing these women coming in with healthy babies and I saw all the records. I didn’t think that was right.” 

Tivis' testimony is congruent with the allegations of Operation Rescue, who had frequently denounced Tiller for killing perfectly healthy late-term babies. At the time of his death, Tiller was under investigation by the Kansas State Board of Healing Arts for performing illegal late-term abortions.

Discussing the typical abortion procedure, Tivis told the Pro-Life Action League in a previous interview: "[the mothers] have a sonogram, first thing and he tells them, 'Oh, you're not that far along.' He's very happy to take their money. Then the first thing he does to them is he kills that baby, because once that baby is dead, they can't change their mind and get their money back.

"He uses the sonogram — a tool for life — to kill the baby. He uses that to guide the needle into the baby's heart and he injects it with digoxin, which is a heart medication and it slows the baby's heart down.

"The second day, the women come in and they have little group counseling sessions, but they don't do any counseling until after that baby is already dead."

Livis described the testimony of a Southwest Kansas woman who had written a letter to Tiller, which Tivis says the abortionist distributed to his staff to read, describing her third-trimester abortion there as "the most horrible experience of her life."

"Although I was not down in the basement for any more than just a few seconds when those women were down there, I got a very vivid description of what actually went on down there from this woman," said Tivis, referring to a room in the facility where women would give birth to their babies' corpses following an abortion. "She said that women were crying and screaming and there was blood everywhere - blood running down their legs and it was just horrible."

One of the more disturbing aspects of the abortion process at Tiller's clinic was the "memorial services" he openly offered, as published on his website, to parents after they had killed their child. Tiller even employed a chaplain at his clinic, where he offered baptisms, baptismal certificates, and mementos such as a lock of hair or "fetal footprints."

The clinic also offered parents a chance to bond with the child's corpse for a little while after the abortion, in a process Tiller described in a 1996 promotional video as an "identification and separation encounter." 

"We will bring the baby to you, either at the bedside, or we will go to our quiet room, and we will bring the baby to you there," said the abortionist. 

"During this encounter we will describe to you what's right with your baby, we will identify what's wrong with your baby. You may hold the baby. We can take pictures of you and the family holding the baby, if you wish, and that is not an uncommon request. ... the identification/separation encounter may involve 2 or 3 hours of bonding with the baby - the identification that this is your baby and you have had a delivery."

Tivis told the Eagle about one pivotal experience just before leaving the office: Tiller emerged from the surgery room with a cardboard box one day and asked her to open a door for him. Tivis saw his crematorium - where the babies' remains are regularly incinerated.

“I realized that box was full of dead babies," said Tivis. "That freaked me out."

She says Tiller fired her after an attorney she had applied for a position with told Tiller she was searching for jobs. 

A Tiller spokeswoman later contradicted Tivis’ testimony at a meeting of the Senate State and Federal Affairs Committee, denying that Tiller performed abortions on healthy late-term babies and calling Tivis a "disgruntled employee whose credibility is lacking because of that," according to a Wichita Eagle report.

Tivis has since then been active with Operation Rescue, and has spoken at pro-life rallies across the United States. 

Regarding Tiller's murder, Tivis said: “He wasn’t a bad guy. He didn’t deserve to be shot and killed. 

"He wasn’t all bad. He was very kind to me on several occasions. He didn’t deserve what happened."

Despite the sordidness of Tiller’s late-term abortion business, and the fact that he was under investigation for conducting illegal late-term abortions at the time of his death, the slain abortionist has been lifted up by the pro-abortion movement as a hero of the cause. In an e-mail shortly after his murder, Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards described Tiller as “a hero to those seeking help in the most desperate of situations.”  “We honor the compassionate care he provided to so many,” said Planned Parenthood.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; moralabsolutes; prolife; tiller

1 posted on 06/12/2009 10:15:14 AM PDT by NYer
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To: cpforlife.org; wagglebee

Ping!


2 posted on 06/12/2009 10:15:39 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
"He wasn’t all bad. He was very kind to me on several occasions...."

I am sure there were people that Hitler was nice too. Tiller was a mass muderer.

3 posted on 06/12/2009 10:21:37 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: NYer

After reading that I want to go throw up then take a shower.


4 posted on 06/12/2009 10:21:40 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: NYer
"He wasn’t all bad. He was very kind to me on several occasions."

He was kind to you because you weren't a baby at the time.

5 posted on 06/12/2009 10:21:41 AM PDT by Hazwaste (Liberals love the average American the same way that foxes love the average chicken.)
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To: NYer

It was too hard for me to read it. I can not see how anyone can do that for so long and get away with it.


6 posted on 06/12/2009 10:21:45 AM PDT by Tamatoa (Fight for our America, Fight for our Country I fought to defend!!!)
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To: NYer
Imagine if this story were revered?

If this were someone who had been pro-life and came to embrace baby killing as result of exposure to Tiller's work they'd need to hire an agent to deal with all the interview/appearance requests.

7 posted on 06/12/2009 10:23:59 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: NYer

This is probably the hardest thing I’ve ever read.

My wife and I lost our second baby while in the womb at 10 weeks. By far the hardest experience of my life.

How anyone can kill babies is beyond my comprehension.


8 posted on 06/12/2009 10:26:12 AM PDT by IL Republican
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To: NYer

[... He wasn’t a bad guy. He didn’t deserve to be shot and killed...]

The children he murdered didn’t deserve to be killed either.

Perhaps Tiller’s death by the hands of another is God’s judgement on him. (Deuteronomy)

To be killed because you are a murderer does not make the executioner a murderer.


9 posted on 06/12/2009 10:30:31 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: NYer

Sounds like a new Saw/Hostel horror movie script, but no, it actually happened and Liberals defend it.


10 posted on 06/12/2009 10:32:53 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: IL Republican
My wife and I lost our second baby while in the womb at 10 weeks. By far the hardest experience of my life.

My sincerest condolences! Each life is so precious. Like you, I cannot comprehend how anyone can kill an innocent baby.

If you missed it, here is a story that is simply amazing!

Another 'champion of abortion' becomes defender of life: the story of Stojan Adasevic

11 posted on 06/12/2009 10:40:20 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: Wurlitzer

Wow, what a sick b@$t@rd, I can honestly say I’m glad he was murdered.


12 posted on 06/12/2009 10:41:45 AM PDT by east1234 (It's the borders stupid! My new enviromentalist inspired tagline: cut, kill, dig and drill)
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To: NYer
This reminds me of something our Vet offers. Parking lot put-downs for your pet.

Tiller might have been a nice, wellmeaning man but, totally misguided.

13 posted on 06/12/2009 10:55:35 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: NYer

Well, it was nice of him to give her a ride to the meetings.


14 posted on 06/12/2009 11:00:29 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: NYer

I have a friend who used to work as a receptionist at an abortion clinic. She’d see girls and young women coming in for their third, fourth . . . eighth abortion, all treating it like they were just getting a hangnail removed. She was so disgusted by what she saw there that she became one of the most adamantly pro-life people I know.

Even more so a few years later when she had a dream about riding in the car with a little boy in the back seat, and a week later discovered she was pregnant. The boy she gave birth to was the exact same boy as the one in her dream. She says “He came to see me before I even knew he was there, how could he NOT be a real person, with the right to see the sunshine and learn to walk!”

Anyone who tries to claim that a fetus is “just a lump of tissue” around her gets an earful.


15 posted on 06/12/2009 11:31:31 AM PDT by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run...Country folks CAN survive!!! -Hank Jr.)
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To: Ellendra
Even more so a few years later when she had a dream about riding in the car with a little boy in the back seat, and a week later discovered she was pregnant. The boy she gave birth to was the exact same boy as the one in her dream. She says “He came to see me before I even knew he was there, how could he NOT be a real person, with the right to see the sunshine and learn to walk!”

I had a similar dream - quite vivid - that I could not shake. 8 years later that dream came true, through adoption. The baby was identical to the one I had seen in the dream!

Anyone who tries to claim that a fetus is “just a lump of tissue” around her gets an earful.

Read the story at the link in comment #11!

16 posted on 06/12/2009 11:37:00 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

I seriously don’t understand late term abortions. Why carry a baby for seven months, and then kill her? I don’t understand. Especially if there are no medical challenges. Why, who does that? Who kills the baby who you can see move around in your tummy? I don’t understand.


17 posted on 06/12/2009 11:53:19 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Dick Cheney gets results!)
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To: Always Right
I am sure there were people that Hitler was nice too

Hitler was particularly kind to dogs.

Isn't that nice?

18 posted on 06/12/2009 11:59:28 AM PDT by Wil H (The most destructive act of Muslim terrorism against the US was paying for 0bama's Harvard education)
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19 posted on 06/12/2009 1:18:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
*In 1970, Nobel Prize winner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn observed:

“Let us not forget that violence does not and cannot flourish by itself; it is inevitably intertwined with lying. Between them there is the closest, the most profound and natural bond: nothing screens violence except lies, and the only way lies can hold out is by violence.”

The more odious the violence, the greater the deceit is needed to justify it. Therefore, the defense of partial-birth abortion has required an inexhaustible store of lies.

*http://www.nccbuscc.org/prolife/programs/rlp//97rlpwil.shtml

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20 posted on 06/12/2009 2:37:19 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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One of the more disturbing aspects of the abortion process at Tiller's clinic was the "memorial services" he openly offered, as published on his website, to parents after they had killed their child. Tiller even employed a chaplain at his clinic, where he offered baptisms, baptismal certificates, and mementos such as a lock of hair or "fetal footprints."

The clinic also offered parents a chance to bond with the child's corpse for a little while after the abortion, in a process Tiller described in a 1996 promotional video as an "identification and separation encounter." "We will bring the baby to you, either at the bedside, or we will go to our quiet room, and we will bring the baby to you there," said the abortionist.

"During this encounter we will describe to you what's right with your baby, we will identify what's wrong with your baby. You may hold the baby. We can take pictures of you and the family holding the baby, if you wish, and that is not an uncommon request. ... the identification/separation encounter may involve 2 or 3 hours of bonding with the baby - the identification that this is your baby and you have had a delivery."

I almost vomited at how sick and evil this is.

Tiller the Killer openly acknowledges that these are BABIES, he does not call the baby a "lump of cells" or some other pro-abortion euphemism. He knew that he was killing a BABY, A REAL LIVE HUMAN BEING and that acknowledgement made him a MURDERER.

21 posted on 06/12/2009 5:51:40 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; All
I remember going to tiller's website several years ago. It had a letter from a “pastor” who did “baptisms” of the murdered children. Beyond sick.

There was also a young couple who in their guilt later came out in an interview and gave details. They showed a picture of them holding their baby they just paid tiller to murder for them. The picture of them holding the child in the white gown was surreal. It was on-line as was the picture. I might search for it to post.

22 posted on 06/12/2009 10:01:23 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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And interesting turn of events here. People became pro-life because of Tiller?!!


23 posted on 06/12/2009 10:27:16 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: NYer

I’m gonna be sick


24 posted on 06/13/2009 5:58:49 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: cpforlife.org
You may want to try the Way Back Machine, an Internet Archive of web sites, even those now closed.
25 posted on 06/13/2009 6:15:27 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

Tiller was nothing more than a Satanist. Psychologically satanic if you wish but that is what he was... destroying babies to satisfy his own perverted demons.


26 posted on 06/13/2009 6:34:11 AM PDT by eleni121 (The New Byzantium - resurrect it!)
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To: NYer
Pinged from Terri Dailies


27 posted on 06/13/2009 4:29:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Tiller the Killer is at home with Satan now.


28 posted on 06/14/2009 8:18:50 AM PDT by wjcsux (Germany, 1933. America, 2009. History repeats itself again.)
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