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Head of a minuteman group arrested for double homicide
KOVA ^ | 6/12/09

Posted on 06/13/2009 6:40:14 AM PDT by Ladycalif

TUCSON, AZ - Three people have been arrested in connection with last months deadly double homicide in Arivaca that left a nine-year-old and her father dead. One of the people arrested for the homicide is the National Executive Director of the Minuteman American Defense group (M.A.D.), a group known for patrolling the border, and is dedicated to "Defending America's Borders" according to their website - http://minutemenamericandefense.org/

Jason Eugene Bush, 38, Shawna Forde, 42 and Albert Robert Gaxiola, 43, were all taken into custody and charged in connection with the murders of 29-year-old Raul Flores and 8-year-old Brisenia Flores. Both were killed during an alleged home invasion.

According to authorities, Bush, Forde, and Gaxiola broke into the home of the Flores family just after midnight on May 30th. At the time, the mother, father and daughter were home. The invaders reportedly shot the three members of the Flores family, killing the father, Raul, and the daughter, Brisenia. The invaders then left the scene.

(Excerpt) Read more at kvoa.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; jasonbush; minutemen; shawnaforde

1 posted on 06/13/2009 6:40:14 AM PDT by Ladycalif
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To: Ladycalif

And so it begins.

Let’s see what other extenuating circumstances, if any, there are.


2 posted on 06/13/2009 6:42:44 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST LOSER WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: snowrip

“....Dupnik says, “The husband who was murdered has a history in being involved in narcotics and there was an anticipation that there would be a considerable amount of cash at this location, as well as the possiblity of drugs.”...”

I don’t care who a person thinks they are. Kicking in doors and shooting people is not right.


3 posted on 06/13/2009 6:47:13 AM PDT by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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To: snowrip
I suspect a very longstanding personal feud having nothing to do with the The Minutemen.
4 posted on 06/13/2009 6:47:44 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: snowrip
Dig deep and you will find this

"Forde's organization is not directly connected to the more commonly known minutemen organization, Minutemen Civil Defense Corps or the Minutemen project run by Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist"

5 posted on 06/13/2009 6:48:43 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Ladycalif

Hmm...

Who would have thought something like that could happen ?

I’m glad-for the sake of the original Minutemen organization-these folks were not really associated with them.


6 posted on 06/13/2009 6:48:47 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: jpsb

You beat me to it. Makes the title a bit misleading, doesn’t it?


7 posted on 06/13/2009 6:51:31 AM PDT by Ozarkie
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To: Ladycalif
And, buried at the bottom of the article:

Forde's organization is not directly connected to the more commonly known minutemen organization, Minutemen Civil Defense Corps or the Minutemen project run by Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist.

8 posted on 06/13/2009 6:51:51 AM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: jpsb
You beat me to it, too. Convenient, eh?
9 posted on 06/13/2009 6:52:28 AM PDT by FourPeas (Why does Professor Presbury's wolfhound, Roy, endeavour to bite him?)
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To: bcsco; Current Occupant

The press at work ping.


10 posted on 06/13/2009 6:54:02 AM PDT by AliVeritas ( Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: Ladycalif
At the bottom of the article where most (even freepers) won't see it:

Forde's organization is not directly connected to the more commonly known minutemen organization, Minutemen Civil Defense Corps or the Minutemen project run by Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist.

Gee, wonder why they are trying to conflate these nutjobs with the Minutemen? /SARC

11 posted on 06/13/2009 6:54:37 AM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: Ladycalif
This is a splinter group not associated with the Jim Ghilcrist's Minutemen Project....

Real Minutemen

12 posted on 06/13/2009 6:55:05 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Ladycalif

This is another example of the growing narrative of rising “Right Wing” violence. They are really pushing the idea that all conservative values stem from fear and hate. Ladies and gentleman, they are winning, so far.


13 posted on 06/13/2009 6:55:48 AM PDT by FreeLuna
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To: piytar

OK, so I’m slow typing on my phone - several people beat me to this...


14 posted on 06/13/2009 6:55:53 AM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: Ozarkie; jpsb

Extremely misleading. Without a doubt intentionally.


15 posted on 06/13/2009 6:56:01 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: PeteB570; WellyP

The woman that apparently orchestrated this, Forde, has been booted out of the actual (original) Minutemen. She started her own group a few years back, and has a history of being an idiot.

My guess is that they were looking to a) rob the family, and; b) make it look like violence between rival gangs of illegals.
They deserve whatever the law throws at them.

The larger issue is that this will be used by the left as a catalyst to go after ALL Minuteman-esque groups and in the process push the government boot even further down on the necks of American citizens. Is it the one last step before a race war on our border? I don’t think so, but it is a step in that direction.


16 posted on 06/13/2009 6:56:44 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST LOSER WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: Ladycalif

You mean the MSM created a thoroughly misleading story title in order to discredit a conservative organization? Why, the mind just boggles!


17 posted on 06/13/2009 6:59:56 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: cbkaty

Jim Ghilcrist and company should be ALL OVER KOVA demanding airtime!


18 posted on 06/13/2009 7:01:26 AM PDT by WellyP
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To: snowrip
"The larger issue is that this will be used by the left as a catalyst to go after ALL Minuteman-esque groups"

This is a trick question right? Duh, Of Course! This one is made to order for the lying communist MSM.

19 posted on 06/13/2009 7:05:12 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: WellyP

Are the o-media allowed to commit outright libel/slander now?


20 posted on 06/13/2009 7:05:42 AM PDT by Dosa26
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To: Ozarkie
You beat me to it. Makes the title a bit misleading, doesn’t it?

Modern-day advocacy journalism at its worst. All in service to the Anointed One.

21 posted on 06/13/2009 7:07:23 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obamanation: an imploding administration headed by a clueless schmuck, with McCain as his Kowakian)
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To: piytar

Yep. Like Fred Phelps and his crew calling themselves Baptists.


22 posted on 06/13/2009 7:08:51 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


23 posted on 06/13/2009 7:10:33 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Ozarkie

I was misled by the title, and misleading titles seem to happen on a regular basis.


24 posted on 06/13/2009 7:14:40 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: gubamyster

Thank you for the ping..


25 posted on 06/13/2009 7:15:21 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: Ladycalif

Oh boy....so we’ll go from being “vigilantes” to

“racist, xenophobes committing hate crimes”, “right-wing extremist Minute-men” perhaps even “domestic terrorists”....wouldn’t surprise me a bit. The media will COMPLETELY ignore that these idiots have nothing to do with the Minutemen...but that’s EXACTLY how it will be played.


26 posted on 06/13/2009 7:20:21 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.........../.......... Sanford '12)
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To: FreeLuna

The press is putting up straw men to cover Omama’s butt in failing to pursue the war on terror, failure to confront Iran and failure to stop N. Korea from targeting us with a nuclear missile. The press is, instead, raising the false idea that our country is in danger from the conservative right and citing a few nut jobs as representative of the right. Meanwhile, Islamic radicals are planning terror attacks as we sleep.


27 posted on 06/13/2009 8:05:01 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: RicocheT

Say WHAT ???


28 posted on 06/13/2009 8:16:32 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: Ladycalif

Don’t play their game. If you’re not racist and you’re not a killer, why should you care about their erroneous characterizations? Don’t waste time defending yourself - they’re wrong, it’s that simple.


29 posted on 06/13/2009 8:28:56 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by governments. You've been warned.)
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To: Liberty Valance
Great analogy! But it will be treated the same way by the press as well. The Phelps group are no more Baptist than I'm a duck and I'm most certainly not a duck.
30 posted on 06/13/2009 8:35:10 AM PDT by pepperdog (As Israel goes, so goes America!)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; All

For once, the local Arizona Red Star newspaper was a bit more fair (an unusual event...:^)

They put the disclaimer in the second paragraph...

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/296911


31 posted on 06/13/2009 8:43:39 AM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats - one Governor down... more to go.)
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To: pepperdog
I'm a duck and I'm most certainly not a duck.

pepperduck just doesn't have a ring to it!

We Conservatives are being painted into a corner.

32 posted on 06/13/2009 8:45:37 AM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: Ladycalif

With all the millions of people in our country, there are bound to be a few of these whacko murders and other crimes.

How many Americns are killed by drunken illegals going through red lights every day? But these stories are never mentioned except locally, and quickly forgotten.

All the left wing press has to do is choose there stories. It would hardly be surprising if they can find suitable material for their smears once a week or so, given the numbers. Plus their willingness to twist the facts a bit, as they have in this story and the Holocaust Museum killing.


33 posted on 06/13/2009 9:02:35 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ladycalif
Posted earlier:

Border militia activist one of three charged in Arivaca double murder

Here's a thorough article on the woman from February. The personal testimonials in the reply section have to be read to be believed.

"Trouble Finds Shawna Forde"

Sadly, Jim Gilchrist backed a bad horse here...but William Gheen over at ALIPAC knew a problem when he saw one.

34 posted on 06/13/2009 9:53:40 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: NewRomeTacitus

I thought MCDC vetted people? How did she get to be a leader? She had the key to Camp Vigilance in CA when and that was last fall.

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/296911

Forde was a leader with the Civil Defense Corps a few years ago but was dismissed after a few months because of leadership issues, he said.
Garza did not have a working relationship with Forde, but he met her when she came to Arizona in 2005, he said.
“She showed signs of poor leadership, but I didn’t see any wrongdoing,” he said.


35 posted on 06/13/2009 10:26:36 AM PDT by Ladycalif (Free - Ramos and Compean)
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To: jpsb; snowrip
I believe the second sentence I've included here, is an important one as well.

Forde's organization is not directly connected to the more commonly known minutemen organization, Minutemen Civil Defense Corps or the Minutemen project run by Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik says, "We are not charging any of the minutemen groups with anything. But one of these individuals was involved with one of those groups."

36 posted on 06/13/2009 10:42:53 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: Ladycalif

I’ll wait until more information is out, to judge what the true motives were, but breaking into someone’s house and killing them, is despicable. And the killing of the nine year old girl is about as disgusting as it gets.

I’m glad the mom pulled through so these assholes can be brought to justice. She has my sympathy for what took place.

Somewhat off topic, but I’m going to say it anyway...

Illegal immigration is wrong. I am dead set opposed to it. I have a no tolerance belief system when it comes to illegal immigrants.

That being said, I in no way wish to see illegal immigrants mistreated. They should be ejected from our nation, to their nation of origin. They should not be physically harmed, and their property should go with them.

This is about the rule of law, and keeping our nation from being over-run or materially altered by any group of people.


37 posted on 06/13/2009 10:49:01 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama post 09/11. The U.S. is sorry, we are a Muslim nation, and we surrender.)
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To: Ladycalif

I can only speculate that unstable and less ethical folks had more opportunities to rise once the MM movement tapered off. Gilchrist also started spending all his time traveling from one meeting to another while leaving MMDC business in the hands of others. Now Jim is facing several lawsuits while accusations of fraud persist.

I never thought I’d see the day he’d be brought low like Simcox. Sad.


38 posted on 06/13/2009 11:03:56 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: Ladycalif
"Forde's organization is not directly connected to the more commonly known minutemen organization, Minutemen Civil Defense Corps or the Minutemen project run by Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist. " The only connection is a common word in their name but of course they will not make this clear
39 posted on 06/13/2009 11:34:19 AM PDT by fifedom
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To: fifedom

“”Forde’s organization is not directly connected to the more commonly known minutemen organization, Minutemen Civil Defense Corps or the Minutemen project run by Chris Simcox and James Gilchrist. “ The only connection is a common word in their name but of course they will not make this clear”

The only connection is Shawna Forde, who was apparently involved with MCDC at a high level until she was asked to leave in 2007. She is also involved in MMP with Gilchrist at some level. He has issued statements of support for both Forde and MAD, which is her minuteman group.


40 posted on 06/13/2009 1:17:02 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: Ladycalif
Who did these people think they were, a SWAT team?
Of course, I'm not the only person who has a nagging suspicion that the Minutement will be political scapegoats for normal gang violence.
41 posted on 06/13/2009 8:27:42 PM PDT by rmlew ( The SAVE and GIVE acts are institutioning Corvee. Where's the outtrage!)
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To: rmlew

I don’t no - more questions than answers at this point it would seem.


42 posted on 06/13/2009 8:32:41 PM PDT by Ladycalif (Free - Ramos and Compean)
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To: Ladycalif

Watch for the Messiah to issue a statement branding the Minute Men as a hate group.


43 posted on 06/13/2009 8:36:54 PM PDT by DanZanRyu
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To: Ladycalif
So Shawna Forde turns up again in a violent incident and an 8 year old girl is killed. How despicable.

Maybe this will bring out all the crap surrounding her, but whatever the truth is, nothing excuses the death of a little girl.

44 posted on 06/14/2009 7:35:55 AM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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To: NorwegianViking; Texas resident; GulfBreeze; rellimpank; AH_LiveRight; BGHater; nbhunt; La Lydia; ..

Belated ping!


45 posted on 06/15/2009 12:14:15 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (ObommaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: popdonnelly; Ladycalif
Don’t play their game. If you’re not racist and you’re not a killer, why should you care about their erroneous characterizations? Don’t waste time defending yourself - they’re wrong, it’s that simple.

It's not that simple. With just a little more airtime and judicious sprinkling of Chris Simcox's name, they knock a McCain opponent out of our upcoming Primary. I'm not sure I'd vote for Simcox; but I'd certainly hate to see him sidelined over this.

46 posted on 06/15/2009 12:26:45 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Support Our Troops ~ www.AmericaSupportsYou.mil ~)
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To: snowrip

Let’s see what other extenuating circumstances, if any, there are.
___________________________________________________________

Although I typically take a wait and see attitude, I don’t see what type of extenuating circumstances would make a home invasion like this okay. Especially since a child was killed. JMO, not slamming you - just commenting.


47 posted on 06/15/2009 12:37:40 PM PDT by leapfrog0202
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To: Ladycalif
I only hope Chris Simcox and company are ALL OVER KOVA for this, which is sadly typical of shoddy, third-late local TV new and its MSM wanna-bes. Here is a link to the original AP story, which was lame to begin with and which KOVA made lamer.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i3-6vvGnEiSGwzvcTDAYeggW6KzAD98Q2RF00

48 posted on 06/15/2009 12:52:39 PM PDT by La Lydia (.)
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To: HiJinx

Exactly


49 posted on 06/15/2009 5:00:45 PM PDT by Ladycalif (Free - Ramos and Compean)
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To: snowrip

Extenuating circumstances? A home invasion and murder? What sort of extenuating circumstances would call for that?

They need to fry.


50 posted on 06/15/2009 11:55:27 PM PDT by kenth
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