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Conservative Magazines: Their Vision Isn’t G.O.P.’s
New York Times ^ | June 13, 2009 | Patricia Cohen

Posted on 06/13/2009 7:50:30 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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For conservative commentators Mr. Obama’s election and the turmoil of the opposition present a changed environment, not only from the past eight years when Republicans held the White House, but from the previous three decades, when conservative ideas dominated the national political agenda.

Since the financial meltdown, though, many Americans have sought government action, prompting conservative magazines to refocus on first principles and refight battles they assumed had already been won.

“We’re seeing free-market capitalism trampled in some new way every 12 hours,” said Rich Lowry, editor of National Review, the magazine William F. Buckley started in 1955, which helped to create the conservative movement. Now, Mr. Lowry said, there is a need to restate “the eternal verities”: the free market, traditional social institutions and a tough-minded foreign policy.

At The American Spectator, R. Emmett Tyrell Jr., its founder and editor, agrees. “I’m writing a series of articles on the fundamental principles of the conservative movement,” he said. As for discord on the right? “Our major concern is that conservative philosophy permeate the country, and if the Republican Party doesn’t want to go along with it, that’s their business.”

Indeed, Mr. Tyrell, known for his go-for-the-jugular sensibility, has nothing but scorn for “timid conservatives,” moderates like the syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker or David Frum, the former speechwriter for George W. Bush, who has urged the party to reject the bellicose exhortations of Mr. Limbaugh, the radio talk-show host.

National Review, too, has struggled with how much apostasy to allow in its pages. It rapped Mr. Frum in a recent issue, for example, for his broadsides about Mr. Limbaugh. Mr. Lowry explained that Mr. Limbaugh is a “personal friend.”

“The Democrats wanted to turn him into a hate figure, and we’ll defy that with every fiber of our being,” ...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: americanspectator; commentary; conservatives; nationalreview; remmetttyrelljr; tas; weeklystandard

1 posted on 06/13/2009 7:50:30 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1
the previous three decades, when conservative ideas dominated the national political agenda

When?

Not since 1994 have conservative ideas been given even the chance to be considered at the national level.

2 posted on 06/13/2009 7:51:53 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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The NYT is truly just a spokeshole for the Rat party.
3 posted on 06/13/2009 7:52:37 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: reaganaut1

the NYT

too stupid to fail


4 posted on 06/13/2009 7:57:21 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: reaganaut1
This is why "Republicans" have been telling us to be "moderate", and look where it got us. Losses in 2006 and 2008, so what do they do? Tell us to be MORE moderate! Yah! That'll work.

Again, someone forgot to read the words of Ronaldus Maximus:

I don‘t know about you, but I am impatient with those Republicans who after the last election rushed into print saying, “We must broaden the base of our party”—when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents.

It was a feeling that there was not a sufficient difference now between the parties that kept a majority of the voters away from the polls. When have we ever advocated a closed-door policy? Who has ever been barred from participating?

Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?


Amen, amen, AMEN!!!
5 posted on 06/13/2009 7:58:48 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: reaganaut1

Magazines and commentators are a leading indicator. As in the 60’s and 70’s, the GOP has lost its way. It was previously rescued by the likes of Buckley and Reagan. If the GOP is to recover, conservatives must win the power-struggle between the centrists and the true conservatives.

It is an interesting dynamic ... centrists must be welcome in the party if it is to gain a majority — but cannot be so prominent as to derail the principles of the movement which drives the Party.

SnakeDoc


6 posted on 06/13/2009 8:02:12 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The night is darkest just before the dawn -- but I promise you, the dawn is coming." -- Harvey Dent)
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To: OCCASparky

Great quote!


7 posted on 06/13/2009 8:02:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: reaganaut1

‘Conservative writers’ like these remind me of the old story about the systems designer who sat on the wedding bed all night and promised his wife how good it was going to be.

So write it, don’t talk about it.


8 posted on 06/13/2009 8:02:39 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: BenLurkin

‘When?

Not since 1994 have conservative ideas been given even the chance to be considered at the national level.’

Maybe the line was referring to the 80’s, when Reagan was President.


9 posted on 06/13/2009 8:02:59 AM PDT by joejm65
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To: reaganaut1
Yeah, let's listen to the NY Times and support the "vision" of the GOP. Some vision. Macular degenerated?
10 posted on 06/13/2009 8:04:06 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: OCCASparky

Again, someone forgot to read the words of Ronaldus Maximus:

I don‘t know about you, but I am impatient with those Republicans who after the last election rushed into print saying, “We must broaden the base of our party”—when what they meant was to fuzz up and blur even more the differences between ourselves and our opponents.

It was a feeling that there was not a sufficient difference now between the parties that kept a majority of the voters away from the polls. When have we ever advocated a closed-door policy? Who has ever been barred from participating?

Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?

Amen, amen, AMEN!!!

Thank You for that!


11 posted on 06/13/2009 8:07:01 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: BenLurkin

Political advice for Repubs from the NYT, priceless.


12 posted on 06/13/2009 8:07:24 AM PDT by moose2004 (Stand up, speak out and help stop Obamacare and GE)
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To: reaganaut1

The GOP better get with the Conservative Program or face fragmentation of the party.

Conservatives will attempt 3rd parties even though they can win widespread.


13 posted on 06/13/2009 8:08:20 AM PDT by dila813
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To: reaganaut1

Let’s save a lot of time & hassle & just ask the Treason Times who our nominee should be in 2012, just in case there is an election in 2012.


14 posted on 06/13/2009 8:12:26 AM PDT by jazminerose
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To: reaganaut1

In the “middle of the road” all you get is run over.

What did the Dem’s do following their 2004 losses?

They found the Senator with the most LIBERAL record and elected him President.

When you stand for nothing there is no message.
Standing for “everything” is the same as standing for nothing.


15 posted on 06/13/2009 8:14:59 AM PDT by G Larry (ObamaCare = "DYING IN LINE!")
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To: Cheetahcat

The key is, we don’t need to broaden our base. Our base was so broadened in the last election that it had no discernable principles. We had a group of individuals with so little in common politically that no one could figure out what we stood for. Are we pro-illegal immigration, or anti-illegal immigration? Are we big spenders, or not? Are we apologizing for Guantanimo? Are we pro-life or not? From the last election, I would be hard pressed to tell you what Republicans believe.

We need to articulate the principles and strengthen the base. Once the principles are there, and the true base is strong ... then we go after centrists, single-issue voters, etc. within the framework that the principles allow.

I am all for compromise. In politics, compromise is the name of the game. But, we must have an articulated set of positions in order to begin negotiations. If we don’t have principles, concessions in compromise become capitulation and surrender.

SnakeDoc


16 posted on 06/13/2009 8:19:41 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The night is darkest just before the dawn -- but I promise you, the dawn is coming." -- Harvey Dent)
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To: dila813

Sarah Palin, as the Republican VP candidate for John McCain, probably did a lot to round up and lure back a lot of conservative votes that would have gone a-straying, either to third parties, or as “NOTA” in the general election. Clearly, somebody like Colin Powell as VP would have badly splintered what remained of the “Republican” base, something that the party leaders intuitively recognized, even though they would not have admitted it under extreme duress. But like overprotective “helicopter” parents, they will not trust to let the American people make up their minds on whether conservatives will even be ALLOWED to be placed on the ballot.

Right here in Florida, there is a strong push to place Charlie Crist as the favorite for the US Senate seat being vacated by Mel Martinez. But there is a much more conservative candidate, Marco Rubio, who has been strong-armed aside by the NRSC and Sen. Cornyn. This is the same organization that backed Lincoln Chafee and Arlen Specter, only to have them turn around and stab the Republicans in the back.


17 posted on 06/13/2009 8:31:36 AM PDT by alloysteel (Never let an inanimate object know that you are in a hurry.)
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To: BenLurkin

I was wondering the same thing. They know that we stand for a free America; but they want to mix it up which is stupid.


18 posted on 06/13/2009 8:31:47 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

“The key is, we don’t need to broaden our base. Our base was so broadened in the last election that it had no discernable principles. We had a group of individuals with so little in common politically that no one could figure out what we stood for. Are we pro-illegal immigration, or anti-illegal immigration? Are we big spenders, or not? Are we apologizing for Guantanimo? Are we pro-life or not? From the last election, I would be hard pressed to tell you what Republicans believe.

We need to articulate the principles and strengthen the base. Once the principles are there, and the true base is strong ... then we go after centrists, single-issue voters, etc. within the framework that the principles allow.

I am all for compromise. In politics, compromise is the name of the game. But, we must have an articulated set of positions in order to begin negotiations. If we don’t have principles, concessions in compromise become capitulation and surrender.”

Doc nice post thanks.


19 posted on 06/13/2009 8:37:36 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: ken5050

Bump for later read..


20 posted on 06/13/2009 8:40:18 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: G Larry

ROFL...and it’s amazing how even a LIBERAL like Jim Hightower got it right when he said that the only things in the middle of the road were yellow stripes and roadkill.


21 posted on 06/13/2009 8:51:29 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Preach dat, Doc!


22 posted on 06/13/2009 8:53:31 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: reaganaut1

It’s time for a new party folks.

Rats, Rhinos, and traitors of all kinds run the republican party and they have been there long enough to become quite deeply entrenched. The Political Nuke of loosing it all in the last election seems to be making things even worse.

The small government with financial restraint kind of folks will get nothing from either major party.

It’s time for a new party.

None of the current crop of third parties has the infrastructure to run a major campaign and get anybody elected at any level in any meaningful numbers.

It’s time for a new party.

The Rats and Rhinos are so deeply entrenched in the GOP that even the political nuking they got in the last election did noting to move them out. They are digging in even deeper.

It’s time for a new party folks.

The hell fire and damnation mob of the extreme religious right is scaring off any one who is not an anti abortion zealot.

It’s time for a new party folks.

The GOP is going after the illegal aliens as a way to pump up the numbers but they are in fact socialist to the core and will in any case vote as a block with the Democrats.

It’s time for a new party folks.

Did anybody get that?

It’s time for a new party.

It’s much better to have a political civil war then a shooting one. Less death and destruction all around.

It’s time for a new party. A new party that is about 3 things and 3 things only.

Defend the shores, Get your hands off my stack, stay out of my private life and business.

It’s time for a new party.


23 posted on 06/13/2009 9:34:55 AM PDT by duffus (Deport all Aliens, Secure the Border, Recall the Troops, Shrink the Government.)
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To: alloysteel

Marco Rubio, he sounds like the right candidate. The other guy is an Obaminite.


24 posted on 06/13/2009 9:41:19 AM PDT by dila813
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To: moose2004
Political advice for Repubs from the NYT, priceless.

Yeah, like getting manhood advice from Michael Jackson, marriage advice from Britney Spears or financial advice from Bernie Madoff.

25 posted on 06/13/2009 11:09:29 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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