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Darwin-Only Advisors Hunker Down to Re-Strategize
CEH ^ | June 12, 2009

Posted on 06/13/2009 9:29:28 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Darwin-Only Advisors Hunker Down to Re-Strategize

June 12, 2009 — Strict Darwinian materialists are a minority in the United States, yet they enjoy autocracy in educational policy, complete control of scientific institutions, and nearly complete unquestioned support from the mainstream media. Nevertheless, they have to face living in a country that is predominantly religious. Once in awhile they suffer setbacks, like the recent changes in textbook policy in Texas that will require more scrutiny of the claims of evolution. What do they say amongst themselves when strategizing how to handle the public?...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; corruption; creation; cretinism; evolution; flamebait; fools; godophobia; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; jewish; judaism; junkscience; moralabsolutes; pseudoscience; religionofatheism; science; sciencefiction
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1 posted on 06/13/2009 9:29:28 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; valkyry1; DaveLoneRanger; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/13/2009 9:30:40 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

To allow this minority viewpoint to overwhelm our education system should make the people ashamed of themselves. To make the people think that we descended from apes is a travesty.


3 posted on 06/13/2009 9:41:49 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“Strict Darwinian materialists” are an overwhelming majority in the US - not a struggling minority !


4 posted on 06/13/2009 9:43:25 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: lilylangtree

Your speaking my language, LLT! Be careful now, you keep talking like this and other like-minded individuals might find themselves joining you. People like you are the Evos worst nightmare :o)


5 posted on 06/13/2009 9:45:48 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Strict Darwinian materialists are a minority in the United States

What is a strict Darwinian materialist?

6 posted on 06/13/2009 9:47:07 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: mrmeangenes

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Young Earth Creationists outnumber any other group re: origins. The next biggest group is theistic evolutionists—and the atheist Evos come in dead last.


7 posted on 06/13/2009 9:49:03 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ah those “Darwanists” than enjoy autocracy in education, like those “Curieists” and “Einstinists” and “Copurnicists” — how DARE they demand that science be taught in science studies in school.

They need to leave room for controversial alternative ideas such as alchemy and astrology!

How awful it is when a small number of people control the agenda!


8 posted on 06/13/2009 9:49:37 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: ColdWater

>>What is a strict Darwinian materialist?<<

Anyone who understands science.


9 posted on 06/13/2009 9:50:13 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


10 posted on 06/13/2009 9:51:13 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: lilylangtree

“To make the people think that we descended from apes is a travesty.”

Why do you say that? I’m not mocking you or anything. I’m just curious.


11 posted on 06/13/2009 9:51:29 AM PDT by Boxen (There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.)
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To: ColdWater

A materialist who slovenly follows the Temple of Darwin’s fanciful creation myth.


12 posted on 06/13/2009 9:51:40 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

13 posted on 06/13/2009 9:51:50 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: lilylangtree

>>To allow this minority viewpoint to overwhelm our education system should make the people ashamed of themselves. To make the people think that we descended from apes is a travesty.<<

So when science comes to a conclusion you don’t like, it must be rejected.

I assume you don’t go to doctors or take prescription medicine.


14 posted on 06/13/2009 9:51:51 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: mrmeangenes

according to gallup poll in Feb, only 4 in 10 believe in Evolution


15 posted on 06/13/2009 9:53:02 AM PDT by beefree
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To: lilylangtree

“To allow this minority viewpoint to overwhelm our education system should make the people ashamed of themselves. To make the people think that we descended from apes is a travesty.

Minority? This shows otherwise. Interesting statistics on who believe which. Statistically, it is a female minority with less than a high school education making less than $20k that is most likely to NOT believe in evolution.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/ev_publi.htm


16 posted on 06/13/2009 9:53:24 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>Sorry to burst your bubble, but Young Earth Creationists outnumber any other group re: origins. The next biggest group is theistic evolutionists—and the atheist Evos come in dead last.<<

Yeah, sure they do. You going to reference one of your “Bat Boy” WWN sister publications as a source? Wikipedia has more credibility.


17 posted on 06/13/2009 9:53:45 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: mrmeangenes

Yea, I saw that too and wondered about it; what’s he thinking? Consdering that so many people here “don’t” think the truth is they’ve internalized and live the Darwinism-materialist, and secular-humanist life without ever thinking about it because it’s been drummed into their tiny brains throug the mass media, and the school systems. Actually, I consider it a lost cause; I don’t bother to talk to these people; it’s a waste of breath, rather, I direct them to the nearest fast food joint.


18 posted on 06/13/2009 9:53:59 AM PDT by glide625
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To: freedumb2003

==They need to leave room for controversial alternative ideas such as alchemy and astrology!

What do you mean, leave room for alchemy and astrology? According to various polls and university studies, the Darwin-drones are more likely to believe in alchemy and astrology (not to mention ESP, Big Foot, and little green men from Mars) than any other religious group. LOL!


19 posted on 06/13/2009 9:54:30 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: lilylangtree
To allow this minority viewpoint to overwhelm our education system should make the people ashamed of themselves. To make the people think that we descended from apes is a travesty.

If you knew anything about Darwinism you'd know that the theory does not claim that people are descended from apes.

20 posted on 06/13/2009 9:54:46 AM PDT by mc6809e
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>>according to gallup poll in Feb, only 4 in 10 believe in Evolution<<

If true, it is the death knell for the USA as a leader in science.


21 posted on 06/13/2009 9:55:05 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

>>What is a strict Darwinian materialist?<<

“Anyone who understands science.”

They just have a problem proving any of the theory that they push as “science.”


22 posted on 06/13/2009 9:55:36 AM PDT by gscc
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To: GodGunsGuts

New age thinking is not the same as substituting alchemy for chemistry or astrology for astronomy which is what creationism in place of Evolution is.


23 posted on 06/13/2009 9:56:17 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Moonman62
When you are willing to believe anything but God, nature becomes your religion (and Darwin is its prophet):


24 posted on 06/13/2009 9:56:58 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
A materialist who slovenly follows the Temple of Darwin’s fanciful creation myth.

Oh. Those are definitely in the minority.

25 posted on 06/13/2009 9:57:38 AM PDT by ColdWater
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To: gscc

>>They just have a problem proving any of the theory that they push as “science.”<<

Billions of data points, millions of practitioners, the entire breadth of the bio-science industries and complete adherence to scientific principles.

There is more proof for TToE than there is for the Thoery of Gravity (not the phenomenon).

TToE has specific observed applications, or have you never heard of viral adaptation?

If there is an alternative Scientific Theory, publish it here and the world is your oyster.


26 posted on 06/13/2009 9:59:54 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

That graphic is so childish.

I am glad you use it.

It proves you are, indeed, special.

I’ll give you the attention your mama and pappy never did, ggg. Really.


27 posted on 06/13/2009 10:00:50 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

==New age thinking is not the same as substituting alchemy for chemistry or astrology for astronomy which is what creationism in place of Evolution is.

Sorry FreeDumb, as much as you would like to pin the above distinction on Creation/IDers, the Evo-atheists are the most superstitious bunch in the population:

Look Who’s Irrational Now

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122178219865054585.html


28 posted on 06/13/2009 10:03:40 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>When you are willing to believe anything but God, nature becomes your religion<<

Yes, the last refuge of the scoundrel with no argument.

“If you understand science, then you must not believe in God.”

Enjoying your little personal pedestal? You need to redo your little graphic with YOU on a pedestal deciding what people believe and don’t believe, what they know and don’t know.

The only God you have, ggg, is YOU. YOU are the center of the universe. YOU are the center of everything.

And YOU are no Christian. And, in advancing Satan’s agenda of lies and ignorance, YOU are doing satan’s bidding.


29 posted on 06/13/2009 10:04:33 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: beefree

Incredible !

I wonder what percentage believe in flying saucers, vampires, ghosts, ghoulies and other things that go bump in the night ?

Probably the same percentage...

Just a few days ago there was a thread alleging Charles Darwin had influenced Karl Marx - despite the fact Marx had published his “masterwork” something like 11 years BEFORE “The Origin of the Species” was written.

O..................kay!


30 posted on 06/13/2009 10:05:48 AM PDT by mrmeangenes
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To: freedumb2003

“Billions of data points, millions of practitioners, the entire breadth of the bio-science industries and complete adherence to scientific principles.

There is more proof for TToE than there is for the Thoery of Gravity (not the phenomenon).

TToE has specific observed applications, or have you never heard of viral adaptation?

If there is an alternative Scientific Theory, publish it here and the world is your oyster.”

So are you saying that scientific principles are not being applied to evolutionary theory, because you certainly have not pulled together any of those billions of data points to reproduce a single example of one transitional form leading to another different specie. There are absolutely no sequencing of transitional forms.


31 posted on 06/13/2009 10:06:26 AM PDT by gscc
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To: GodGunsGuts

Whether people are superstitious or not has nothing to do with anything.

That article does not state they substitute their beliefs for science.

It probably means they have the ability to think broadly and include a lot of possibilities into what makes up the Universe. That kind of thinking should be right up your alley.


32 posted on 06/13/2009 10:06:44 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

I’m glad you enjoy CEH’s graphic depicting Darwood as the Bearded Buddha of Naturalism, because I very much enjoy posting it ;o)


33 posted on 06/13/2009 10:08:06 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: freedumb2003

“If true, it is the death knell for the USA as a leader in science”

Don’t worry, Present Obama is going to restore “Science to its rightful place”


34 posted on 06/13/2009 10:08:16 AM PDT by beefree
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To: gscc

>>So are you saying that scientific principles are not being applied to evolutionary theory, because you certainly have not pulled together any of those billions of data points to reproduce a single example of one transitional form leading to another different specie. <<

That is because “transitional species” is a lay concept that has no meaning in science. The stochastic process of evolution produces gradual changes over time. We have seen speciation in things like subway flies that actually have become a different species from the original species above ground. That is one of many examples.

>>There are absolutely no sequencing of transitional forms.<<

As I said, the pursuit of “transitional species” is the pursuit of people who don’t understand TToE.

And do you use doctors and pharmaceuticals?


35 posted on 06/13/2009 10:09:50 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>I’m glad you enjoy CEH’s graphic depicting Darwood as the Bearded Buddha of Naturalism, because I very much enjoy posting it ;o)<<

yes, like when a kindergartner learns the word “penis” and says it as often as possible. It is hard not to pat his head.


36 posted on 06/13/2009 10:11:11 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: beefree

>>Don’t worry, Present Obama is going to restore “Science to its rightful place”<<

That is code for AGW which is NOT real science. It is fad science.


37 posted on 06/13/2009 10:12:06 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: GodGunsGuts
When you are willing to believe anything but God,

You obviously believe in your materialist computer. Why don't you pray your messages to God and let him post them on FR?

38 posted on 06/13/2009 10:13:17 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: freedumb2003

I think your last reply speaks for itself.


39 posted on 06/13/2009 10:14:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Boxen

The thinking perpetuates unintelligence. When the subject arises, people have said, “we’re all descended from apes anyway.”


40 posted on 06/13/2009 10:14:16 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: All

Proverbs 26:4


41 posted on 06/13/2009 10:15:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: lilylangtree

Some of us may have ape DNA in our lineage. The people who have ape-like foreheads, ape-like noses, ape-like chins, or ape-like stances may have some ape in their DNA. Not all of us have ape DNA in our lineage.


42 posted on 06/13/2009 10:15:13 AM PDT by abclily
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To: freedumb2003

“And do you use doctors and pharmaceuticals?”

The reason I go to doctors and use pharmaceuticals is because they have proven results. For anyone to say all science equates to empirical truth is nonsense. Global cooling of the 1960s, global warming, flat earth science, alchemy, blood letting were and are bad science.

p.s - nice to see you are responding to the subject matter of the thread now and not continuing with your personal attacks. So many of these threads break down into infantile behavior.


43 posted on 06/13/2009 10:15:18 AM PDT by gscc
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>I think your last reply speaks for itself.<<

It is supposed to. What is it like, being your own god? Does it make up for your insecurities?


44 posted on 06/13/2009 10:15:34 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

“That is code for AGW which is NOT real science. It is fad science”

Agreed, more specifically, it is the ‘science’ of Taxation and redistribution of wealth, we HOPE is a passing fad.


45 posted on 06/13/2009 10:18:02 AM PDT by beefree
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To: gscc

I didn’t attack you — I asked a question and undermined your position.

And so pharmaceuticals are magic — if you reject TToE, you reject the underlying science behind medications so all that is left is magic.

I have already made it clear AGW is fad science and has nothing to do with TToE any more than it has to do with physics.


46 posted on 06/13/2009 10:18:14 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: beefree

>>Agreed, more specifically, it is the ‘science’ of Taxation and redistribution of wealth, we HOPE is a passing fad.<<

Truer words have never been posted. The only HOPE we have is this yahoo TOTUS-reader gets bounced ASAP.


47 posted on 06/13/2009 10:19:18 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003; lilylangtree
I assume you don’t go to doctors or take prescription medicine.

Likewise, since evos reject the truth of the Bible, we can assume that they don't go to church or pray.

48 posted on 06/13/2009 10:19:43 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
They're not teaching creationism or id in Texas schools.

This "changing in textbook" is semantics

49 posted on 06/13/2009 10:20:25 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: GodGunsGuts; All

Isaiah 5:20


50 posted on 06/13/2009 10:22:01 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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