Posted on 06/13/2009 5:23:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
We used to think that Communism would arrive in this country on the bayonets of Soviet soldiers, if it came at all. We never realised that it would instead materialise amid our freedom and prosperity, step by tiny step, in the form of bureaucratic interference and political correctness.
As one of the few British people who has actually lived in a Communist country (Moscow in the early Nineties, since you ask), I know better than most what such societies feel like, and how they work. And in the past two weeks I have seen several developments in Britain which seem strangely familiar.
The first was a proposal to refuse school places to children who had not been given the MMR injection. I have no idea if the MMR is safe or not. But I know many thoughtful and well-informed people who believe that it damaged their children, or fear that it might do so. A free country would not blackmail individuals in this way.
The next was a sinister report from the 'Department for Children' demanding that prying officials be empowered to force their way into the homes of parents who prefer to educate their sons and daughters at home.
This is our all-powerful State's angry response to a growing rebellion, by mothers and fathers who are sick of seeing their children bullied, neglected and miseducated in the state education system, and rightly think they can do a better job. How can the commissars in charge of the Western world's worst schools be fit to judge how well a parent is teaching her own child? The pretext for this invasion of privacy is a baseless suggestion that home education could be used as a cover for child abuse.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
It’s here.
First they came for the smokers,
But I did nothing for I was not a smoker...
Jail terms overturned, LE 20,000 fine upheld in ‘four editors’ case
CAIRO: The Cairo Appeals Court overturned a one-year jail sentence and upheld a LE 20,000 fine for each of the four newspaper editors convicted for insulting President Hosni Mubarak and defaming government officials.The four editors of opposition and independent newspapers received a one-year jail sentences and a LE 20,000 fine in September 2007 after the court found them guilty of “publishing false information likely to disturb public order.” The case was brought by two lawyers affiliated with the ruling National Democratic Party (NDP) against...
Read More... http://www.dailystaregypt.com/
NOTE: (ruling National Democratic Party (NDP)
Excerpt: In a separate case, Eissa was sentenced in March to six months in prison for reporting on rumors about the president's health. The sentence was later reduced to two months and then scrapped when he received a pardon directly from President Mubarak in October 2008.
wonder what "false" information and how Mubarak's health was around that time.
A truly free country wouldn’t have a socialized government school system. Then you could have schools that require inoculation and schools that don’t. If it’s important to you, send your kids to the non-inoculation school.
When they came for the vapers, I did nothing because I was not a vaper.
Wait a minute. I thought America had the Western world's worst schools!
Since when did Great Britain ace us out for that honor?
Seems bloody unlikely that they’d dare encroach on the privacy of Muslim homeschoolers. UK authorities tend to fold like a cheap suit when dealing with the children of Allah.
All this and barely a whimper from the clueless and unwashed amongst us. Welcome to Germany 1932.
Nope, in a free society NO schools would require inoculation but would provide it if the parents decided that is was good for their children. For inoculations that truly help, education is the answer, not force.
TINY step? Those steps ain’t so tiny.
This guy is good. I haven’t read him before. At first, when I saw his name, I thought Christopher Hitchens.
His brother, IIRC.
Why are they only concerned about school-aged children?
If they are sooooooo concerned about child abuse, why not take newborns from their mother's arms in the delivery room? Raise them in government school orphanages.
Hey! It's in the child's best interest because some parents might abuse their children. (/sarc)
That’s what the National Socialists (Nazis) or Reds would do.
I say, “OK! Don't immunize your child,..but...be prepared to pay damages if your child infects another child.”
Any parent who does NOT immunize their child should be sued in court for damages if the non-imunized child gets sick and passes around the community.
Even though children are immunized, a certain percentage will not develop antibodies. So...If a non-immunized child gets sick he can infect a child who has been immunized but whose body did not develop the antibodies against the disease.
We prevent epidemics by having large numbers of people immunized, so that when there is an outbreak its spread is limited.
Please read post #18.
yep! In a nanosecond.
ok, i’ll bite. what’s a vaper?
Users of e-cigarettes (AKA Personal Vaporizers) are sometimes called, “Vapers,” or, “Vapors.”
I say, “OK! Don't immunize your child,..but...be prepared to pay damages if your child infects another child.”
Why would any immunized child get sick from a non immunized child? Your above statement is an old argument that simply doesn't hold water. The only children to get sick would be the ones not immunized. Education would soon make believers out of the children, if not the parents, and the next generation would be about 99 % immunized.
When I was young most immunizations were voluntary, but parents had suffered through the diseases that could be immunized and gladly had their children immunized.
To give up freedom to simply force others to do as you want them to do only leads to slavery and tyranny, something we are seeing right now.
Chickenpox!?!?!
So, because I think my child should catch the chicken pox naturally and develop his own immunities to it (like almost all of us on FR had too), you want me to be held liable to some frivolous lawsuit because someone ele's kid itched for a week? Because, I believe (as do others) there may be a link to the chicken pox vaccine and autism. So, according to you my options are --
A. vaccinate for chicken pox and risk autism
B. Don't vaccinate for chicken pox and risk friviolous lawsuits that bankrupt my family
99% of the time people aren't avoiding measles, mumps, rubella, polio..... its all of this other crap like chicken pox and HPV (which if you teach your children abstinence, you shouldn't have to worry about so much).
And further, if everyone else is vaccinated and they catch it from my kid.... sounds like they have a problem with the vaccine company for not making an effective vaccine like they promised..... not my chid who is no better or worse off than the person that got the "vaccine" and still developed the illness.
Can I sue you if I feel you gave me the common cold? What if I feel I wouldn't have gotten sick if it wasn't for you? I eat right, exercise, get plenty of Viatimin C....
Because even though the child receives the vaccine, his body will not respond and make antibodies against the disease. A certain percentage of children who are vaccinated will never respond to the vaccine and have no immunity.
Also...There are some children who are too young to be immunized. They are vulnerable, and some have auto-immunine diseases and immunization would be very dangerous for them.
So? There are at least three groups of children who are at risk from the child whose parents refuse vaccination:
1) The non-responder.
3) The very young.
4) The child who is too sick to be vaccinated.
We see “non-response” among health professionals with some frequency with the Hepatitis B vaccine. The are vaccinated several times over and never build immunity.
So....I say, “OK! Don't immunize your child. But...If he makes another child sick then don't be surprised if you are sued.”
For most children it is merely and inconvenience and some lost time off the job for the parent....BUT...For some children chickenpox is deadly.
As for the common cold, there is no vaccine so the point is moot.
Personally, if it were my child, I would not have them vaccinated for any other disease except Hepatitis A ( a food and water borne disease).
I believe the above are worth the risk, if properly administered so that the child's system is not overly stressed. The other bunk can wait until the child is and adult there is a real need.
If the immunized child immunization doesn’t work it is going to get sick anyway, regardless if other children are immunized or not. As I said, your argument doesn’t hold water and forcing parents to immunize their children is totalitarian. Education is the key. I guess you can’t grasp that concept.
No, no, no! These children will not get “sick anyway”, if there are enough children in the community who have effective immunization.
The whole point of mandatory immunization is to have enough of the population immunized so that the disease will not spread from person to person. The fact that most of the children surrounding a “non-responder” have effective immunization protects the non-responding child because the disease doesn't spread through the community to reach him.
And...then there are the children who are too young or too sick to be immunized. Having a large bolus of people who are immunized surrounding these children makes it less likely that the disease will be passed through the community to infect them.
No, no, no! These children will not get “sick anyway”, if there are enough children in the community who have effective immunization.
The whole point of mandatory immunization is to have enough of the population immunized so that the disease will not spread from person to person. The fact that most of the children surrounding a “non-responder” have effective immunization protects the non-responding child because the disease doesn't spread through the community to reach him.
And...then there are the children who are too young or too sick to be immunized. Having a large bolus of people who are immunized surrounding these children makes it less likely that the disease will be passed through the community to infect them.
If I there is a child who is a non-responder, too young, or too sick who gets a preventable communicable disease, then the parent who irresponsibly failed to have their child vaccinated should be held accountable for the damages ( if any) in court.
In a free society, there’s freedom of association and freedom of contract. Schools would be free to set their requirements and people would be free to choose and make their own decisions. That’s how a free society operates.
Then vaccinate YOUR children against chicken pox..... don't force the vaccination, and possibly, autism on mine.
Your children will have the vaccine to prevent them from getting chicken pox. Whether or not the state passes a law, will have no effect on your child's ability to develop anti-bodies to chicken pox..... with or without the vaccine.
As for the common cold, there is no vaccine so the point is moot.
Well, there are preventative measures for colds; the same as vaccines are for other ailments. Forcing preventative measures (vaccines) by law is a slippery slope; especially in instances where the risk may outweigh the gain.
Today, these companies pump out miracle drugs and vaccines every day, only for the Ambulance Chasers to go on TV "If you, or someone you know has taken A, B, or C and had X, Y, or Z happen call the law offices of...."
It is always about making money. It is never about curing disease. It is much more profitable to treat an illness than to cure an illness. It is especially profitable to have laws dictating you will receive this vaccine, or that vaccine.
Forcing preventative measures (vaccines) by law is a slippery slope;
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I’m not suggesting government force.
The cheapest way to “treat” and illness is to prevent it. That's what vaccinations do.
By the way, **again** I will post that not all children respond to the vaccination by producing antibodies. The whole point of vaccination is to have enough people in the population with immunity so that the disease does not spread to:
1) Those who are non-responders to the vaccine. ( They have been vaccinated but will never produce antibodies.)
2) Those too young to have the vaccine.
3) Those too sick to receive the vaccine.
So...Ok...Some parents will NOT vaccinate their child. That's OK with me....But..If **their** child makes any one of the above 3 groups of kids sick with a vaccine preventable disease then they should be sued in court for damages.
By the way, my mother's brother died of hooping cough ( pertussis ). How sad. Vaccination would likely have completely prevented this.
Even if you teach your children abstinence, you have to worry about HPV. Can u guarantee your daughter will never be raped? Can you guarantee that when she does marry, her husband won’t have HPV? One can be abstinent until marraige and still be infected if their partner was not, or if they are raped, etc. I choose to protect my daughter against a major cause of problems and loss of fertility.
I didn't say you wouldn't have to worry at all. I said this would help cut down on that.
I choose to protect my daughter against a major cause of problems and loss of fertility.
Good for you. I don't have a daughter, and don't have to make that decision yet. However, the key word here is DECISION. A decision I want to have for whether or not this is what is best for my children. Not what someone else thinks is best for my children.
I’m not suggesting government force.
So...Ok...Some parents will NOT vaccinate their child. That's OK with me....But..If **their** child makes any one of the above 3 groups of kids sick with a vaccine preventable disease then they should be sued in court for damages.
sued in court for damages
Basically you are allowing and encouraging use the court system.... (gee is that an apparatus of the government?) to force vaccinations that the risk may outweigh the gain.
Yeah, I would say that is government force. I fear autism and don't vaccinate against chicken pox. Your relative believes he/she caught chicken pox from my child. Your relative claims "damages" being missed work or "mental anguish." Now, the court (read government) orders me to pay $XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Yeah that sounds a lot like government force.
Well...When one person’s actions cause an injury that could have been prevented that **is ** what people do! They go to court.
This is one of the primary reasons for government: to provide honest courts for the redress ( remedy) of preventable injury.
The Illinois State Board of health voted against the Chickenpox vaccine mandate due to nine thousand adverse reactions reported in 1995. As of August 2000, Illinois had 231 compensation claims had been filed for 45 deaths and 186 injuries. This vaccine is made from fetal bovine serum, aborted fetal tissue cells and Monosodium Glutamate . [emphasis mine]
The truth is no one knows the risks of injecting mutated DNA into children, but what has been reported is Bell’s Palsy, encephalitis and seizures just to name a few. This vaccine is now licensed and recommended by health authorities.
Oh, YES, THAT WOULD BE AN ABORTED HUMAN FETUS. The same goes for Rubella and HEP A.
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/page_221.htm
http://www.lc.org/radiotv/nlj/nlj0901.htm
No jackboots, just those felony shoes with the LEDs..
My entire 2nd grade class came down with chickenpox and not a single person died or needed hospitalization.
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