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Iran's democratic genie is out of the bottle
The Times UK ^ | June 12, 2009 | Martin Fletcher

Posted on 06/13/2009 11:32:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Instead of being a formality, these elections have seen an explosion of pent-up anger against President Ahmadinejad

Iran's presidential election was not supposed to be like this - days (and nights) of giddy excitement and political mudslinging and anarchic scenes of a sort that the tightly-controlled Islamic republic has not seen since the revolution.

It was meant to be a formality. The Guardian Council, a body of senior conservative clerics, would select a handful of candidates with impeccable Islamic and revolutionary credentials. The country would go through the motions of democracy to impress the outside world and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad would duly be re-elected, as every other incumbent president has in the republic's 30-year history.

How could the Israel-hating, US-bashing, nuclear weapon-chasing President lose when he was backed by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's Supreme Leader, by the Revolutionary Guard and its volunteer Basij militia, by state-controlled television and a nationwide government machine?

The Guardian Council selected three male candidates - a hardline conservative and two relative moderates - to oppose Mr Ahmadinejad, and rejected 470 others, including 42 women. All three were political insiders: Mir Hossein Mousavi was a former prime minister, Mohsen Rezai a former commander of the Revolutionary Guards and Mehdi Karoubi a former parliamentary Speaker.

Then, suddenly, everything spun out of control. Perhaps it was the unprecedented series of six live television debates in which Mr Ahmadinejad and his rivals let loose, hurling charges of corruption, fraud, cronyism and mendacity at each other. The deep rifts between the radical and moderate conservatives in Iran's political elite had never been exposed in this way before.

Perhaps it was Mr Mousavi's daring decision to let his wife, Zahra Rahnavard, defy precedent by actively campaigning for him, and to appear on campaign posters holding her hand.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; democracy; iran; iranviolence2009; mousavi; studentmovement

1 posted on 06/13/2009 11:32:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: MarineBrat; csense; NormsRevenge; jveritas; SandRat; Straight Vermonter; GeronL; Fred Nerks; ...
H/T to Michael Totten's Blog for referencing this....:

Iran on Fire (Continuously updated)

2 posted on 06/13/2009 11:35:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

We won, STFU
3 posted on 06/13/2009 11:39:14 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: MaxMax

Yep, I wonder what Jimmy thinks of these events. He admits he was obsessed for the last 444 days of his presidency by the hostage crisis in Iran.

You could even say that our first battles of the war against Islamic extremism happened with the overthrow of the Shah of Iran, and the hostage crisis.


4 posted on 06/13/2009 11:42:18 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: MaxMax

Lovely.....ROFL!


5 posted on 06/13/2009 11:45:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
I really want to say something “coy” at this point,
but I'm brain-dead just thinkng about trying.
6 posted on 06/13/2009 11:55:09 PM PDT by MaxMax (America's population is 304-Million. Obama must punish America for the other 4.7 Billion)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

they have to take out Khameni and all the other ranking Mullahs in order to ever have true freedom again .

Axe the mullahs


7 posted on 06/14/2009 12:04:38 AM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Iran’s conservatives are left wingers


8 posted on 06/14/2009 12:08:24 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

thanks for the ping.From your link:

The Iranian writer Reza Zarabi says the regime has all but destroyed religion itself. “The name Iran, which used to be equated with such things as luxury, fine wine, and the arts, has become synonymous with terrorism,” he wrote. “When the Islamic Republic government of Iran finally meets its demise, they will have many symbols and slogans as testaments of their rule, yet the most profound will be their genocide of Islam, the black stain that they have put on this faith for many generations to come.”

The Genocide of Islam. Has a nice ring to it...


9 posted on 06/14/2009 12:10:09 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: 4rcane

Yup. Koran-thumping Bolsheviks.


10 posted on 06/14/2009 12:14:39 AM PDT by SolidWood (www.firedavidletterman.com)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

>>>Iran’s democratic genie is out of the bottle

Premature conclusion from insufficient results. It might become true, but not yet. Wishful thinking at this point.

Several years ago the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to a young female Iranian civil rights leader. That was also “proof” of Iranian democratization. I don’t think I’ve heard of her again from the award presentation to today.

>>>The deep rifts between the radical and moderate conservatives in Iran’s political elite had never been exposed in this way before.

But they were all approved hard liners. Factionalism and power struggles behind the scenes are common elements in dictatorships. Sometimes they remain under cover, sometimes they erupt into the public. That too has little to do with democratization.


11 posted on 06/14/2009 12:21:00 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Fred Nerks; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FARS; MestaMachine; Lancey Howard; Landru; Grampa Dave; ...
Daniel Pipes has an interesting take on it.

Assessing the Iranian Election

Perhaps the Big Kahuna has shot himself in the foot.


12 posted on 06/14/2009 1:48:37 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: PhilDragoo
Yesterday's sham election may be a turning point, the moment when the much-suffering population found its collective voice against the regime. It bears noting in this regard that the Iranian population in 1978-79 mounted what was perhaps the largest-scale rebellion ever against a government. It could do so again.

The Republican Guard supports Homodinejad. The Iranian people are in terrible danger. The US will not help them as it might have under Bush.
They have shown enormous courage, but if they do not have the strength to overcome this, the slaughter that will surely take place will shock the conscience of the world....if there is any conscience left in the world.

13 posted on 06/14/2009 2:02:02 AM PDT by MestaMachine (I don't have a novel or insightful tagline. At this point, words fail me.)
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To: PhilDragoo
Those islamoidiots don't have the benefit of Ayers, Axelrod, and Gaspard running their PR machine.

They need to hire some good old American PR men.

14 posted on 06/14/2009 2:20:16 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
From a writer in Iran at the Totten link:

Why did the clergy panic? Because they saw something much larger than just Mousavi being elected. They saw the beginnings of a wave that would sweep them out of power. This started with Khatami. and it won't stop today just because they declared a fraudulent winner. Mousavi would have been the crowbar with which to pry open the tangled nest of corruption that came into power soon after the 1979 revolution. There is enough pent-up anger in Iran's youth to fuel a complete wipeout of the regime. If the thugs were so utterly ham-fisted in their attempt to usurp power, they surely will commit scores of idiotic errors in the days to come. I cannot imagine Rafsanjani staying quiet for much longer; the theocracy is about to break wide open. Resistance will take many forms, and now will not stop until the mullahs are permanently out of power. Iran is headed for civil war.

15 posted on 06/14/2009 2:44:25 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Stand up, Iran...stand up.
16 posted on 06/14/2009 3:30:41 AM PDT by Allegra ( Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Axe the mullahs

What's the question?

17 posted on 06/14/2009 4:21:12 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Gee, political opposition leaders are in house arrest or worse within 24 hours of an election in Iran. Is this a new, groundbreaking precedent for countries who watch Iran closely and are “EXCITED” about the “democratic” process in IRAN to consider for implementation in their own countries in the future? Gee, lose an election in a democratic country and win a “Go to Jail” card? How PROGRESSIVE and innovative! What a CHANGE!

Could something happen like that in our ‘progressive’ Constitutional Republic? Has the administration criticized the Iranian election yet? The media...


18 posted on 06/14/2009 4:29:07 AM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Great post/thread. Thanks to all posters.

No change no hope. Wuzz up, Barry?


19 posted on 06/14/2009 5:00:07 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: PhilDragoo

Pipes nailed it. The obamination is now on notice.


20 posted on 06/14/2009 5:51:22 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (the obamination will ruin this nation)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Good One!!!


21 posted on 06/14/2009 6:08:22 AM PDT by The FIGHTIN Illini (How long until we vote again?)
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To: 4rcane
Iran’s conservatives are left wingers

Would you care to expound? Please do, because I admit to not being fully informed about the Iranian political landscape. It would be nice to hear from someone who knows.

22 posted on 06/14/2009 6:19:47 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private FC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC - Lnc Crprl -6/4/09 - 29 Palms, CA)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

For a revolution, this doesn’t sound very well organized. Sounds more like a massive riot, and the regime will treat it as such. The mullahs were probably expecting this reaction and probably planned the mass arrests (and most likely worse) ahead of the so-called election results. All the protesters can do is burn trash cans because they aren’t going to get any help from outside the country and their leadership is probably either under arrest or divided. When the regime starts purges and mass persecution of innocents, the world isn’t going to do shit.


23 posted on 06/14/2009 7:31:48 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The “Green Revolution” is in full swing.

Good pics of the protests here: http://tehranlive.org/2009/06/14/iranian-protest-election-results-2/


24 posted on 06/14/2009 7:47:01 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Mousavi is merely slightly less confrontational than Ahmanutjob. He also has the bonus (in our eyes, not the mullahs’ eyes) of not being involved with the hostage crisis... that we know of.

Beyond that, to say the genie of freedom is out of the bottle in Iran is absurd.


25 posted on 06/14/2009 8:16:15 AM PDT by Terpfen (Ain't over yet, folks. Those 2004 Senate gains are up for grabs in 2 years.)
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To: PhilDragoo
The old 'shell game'


26 posted on 06/14/2009 10:43:28 AM PDT by potlatch ( When You Change The Way You Look At Things - The Things You Look At Change)
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To: Fred Nerks; Ernest_at_the_Beach; LeoWindhorse
"The Genocide of Islam. Has a nice ring to it."
Well versed Fred.
"Axe the mullahs."
Sounds like a reasonable outcome as well LW.
Now if a few million of the citizens could actually catch on to the true origins of Islam, the 350th black stone that stayed in the prophet's dad's little prayer mound etc., and the true original meanings of Allah, etc., they would all go berserk and take out everything associated with the cult, and cry out for a true westernized democracy for starters.
Off course the Russians would shit themselves. And zero would be off the hook. But so be it.
27 posted on 06/14/2009 4:30:50 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Obama must be making huge piles of cigarette butts around the WH grounds at this point.)
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