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Reverberations as Door Slams on Hope of Change (Obama failed?)
NYT ^ | 06/14/09 | BILL KELLER

Posted on 06/14/2009 7:21:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Reverberations as Door Slams on Hope of Change

By BILL KELLER

TEHRAN — It is impossible to know for sure how much the ostensible re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad represents the preference of an essentially conservative Iranian public and how much, as opposition voters passionately believe, it is the imposed verdict of a fundamentally authoritarian regime.

But for those who dreamed of a gentler Iran, Saturday was a day of smoldering anger, crushed hopes and punctured illusions, from the streets of Tehran to the policy centers of Western capitals.

Iranians who hoped for a bit more freedom, a better managed economy and a less reviled image in the world wavered between protest and despair on Saturday.

On the streets around Fatemi Square, near the headquarters of the leading opposition candidate, Mir Hussein Moussavi, riot police officers dressed in RoboCop gear roared down the sidewalks on motorcycles to disperse and intimidate the clots of pedestrians who had gathered to share rumors and dismay.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ahmadinejad; confrontation; election; iran; iranviolence2009; moussavi; studentmovement
Both Iran and N. Korea are going for broke. This increases the chance of Israel turning Tehran into glass parking lot.

I figured that Iranian regime somehow find a way to get Ahmadinejad reelected.

1 posted on 06/14/2009 7:21:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: nuconvert

NYT speaks


2 posted on 06/14/2009 7:23:23 AM PDT by AliVeritas ( Pray, Pray, Pray)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

President Obama confronted evil with words.

True evil can NEVER be defeated with words.

Liberals believe....but reality is.


3 posted on 06/14/2009 7:25:53 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I would think that obama's waffling on iranian nuclear power and israel bashing has killed most of the wind that would have been in the sails of the protest movement.

if george bush's steady hand was still steering iranian foreign policy, it would be clear to them that the whack job goes, or conflict with the US is ultimately unavoidable.

4 posted on 06/14/2009 7:27:30 AM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://www.stink-eye.net)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
>>Both Iran and N. Korea are going for broke.<<

So predictable that even Joe got this one right.

"Mark my words," the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. "It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama ...

5 posted on 06/14/2009 7:27:57 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Erik Latranyi
President Obama confronted evil with words.

You sure? I never heard anything remotely resembling , "Mr. Gobachev, tear down this wall."

6 posted on 06/14/2009 7:30:44 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: TigerLikesRooster

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed1/idUSTRE55B4SG20090612

“We are excited to see what appears to be a robust debate taking place in Iran,” Obama told reporters when asked about the Iranian election during an event at the White House.

“Whoever ends up winning the election in Iran, the fact there has been a robust debate hopefully will advance our ability to engage them in new ways,” he said.


7 posted on 06/14/2009 7:34:16 AM PDT by maggief (I)
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To: gusopol3
You sure? I never heard anything remotely resembling , "Mr. Gobachev, tear down this wall."

The character of the words are irrelevant to liberals. Reagan was a war-monger according to them, but when he spoke strongly, it was backed up with action.

Obama and liberals think soothing words with no backup can save us from evil.

8 posted on 06/14/2009 7:34:51 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: AliVeritas
NYT lies.

The optimists in Iran and abroad have to ask themselves whether the joyful ruckus that filled the streets represented a new popular force or just an opportunity to let off steam.

"Joyful Ruckus"?? Not even! The thousands of protestors had the police on the run...

9 posted on 06/14/2009 7:35:14 AM PDT by Ladysmith (The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money - M. Thatcher)
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To: maggief
The guy is so Euro: care only about pretty talks.
10 posted on 06/14/2009 7:36:04 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: gusopol3
President Obama confronted evil with words.
You sure? I never heard anything remotely resembling , "Mr. Gobachev, tear down this wall."

I think it was more like, "I will taunt you a second time!"

11 posted on 06/14/2009 7:36:27 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Isn’t Keller the editor?


12 posted on 06/14/2009 7:37:07 AM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Weakness breeds war. Nothing new here to report. Move on and get prepared; everyone else is.


13 posted on 06/14/2009 7:37:43 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The “robust debate” continues ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSECAvBTanQ


14 posted on 06/14/2009 7:40:20 AM PDT by maggief (I)
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To: Crawdad
Apparently so. Executive Editor of NYT.
15 posted on 06/14/2009 7:40:33 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
BO should have kept his mouth shut instead of claiming his one speech paved the way for “change” in Iran. By taking credit (albeit falsely) for the election before the votes were even counted, BO left the mullahs with no choice.

They had to reinstate Ahmadamnnutjob or give victory to the United States.

BO’s once again proven what a lightweight he is in the arena of geopolitics.

16 posted on 06/14/2009 7:42:56 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Erik Latranyi

Actually, Reagan used words as well. They just weren’t words like “peace in our time” and Obama’s b***s***.


17 posted on 06/14/2009 7:55:04 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: Erik Latranyi
President Obama confronted evil with words.

While I very much agree with the use of the word "evil," there was no confrontation, it was an enabling event.

18 posted on 06/14/2009 8:13:25 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Bill Keller - idiot NYT editor now reporting from Iran. Guess he needs to get out of the frying pan and into the fire. I wonder if Obama would pay Iran to keep Keller just like he paid Palau to take the Guantamo terrorists.


19 posted on 06/14/2009 8:41:07 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: CdMGuy
Well, we can do three-for-one sale: Bill Keller, Frank Rich, and Paul Krugman.
20 posted on 06/14/2009 8:45:13 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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To: All
Related thread:

Iranian Election a Repudiation of Obama

21 posted on 06/14/2009 10:06:03 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: dr_who
Actually, Reagan used words as well. They just weren’t words like “peace in our time” and Obama’s b***s***.

Reagan backed his words up with strength.......Obama does not back his words up with anything.

22 posted on 06/14/2009 11:10:33 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: RobinOfKingston
While I very much agree with the use of the word "evil," there was no confrontation, it was an enabling event.

I honestly believe that Obama thinks he is confronting them. We know it is doing nothing more than enabling the terrorists.

23 posted on 06/14/2009 11:11:45 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
In the Dem-Lib debates last year, Hillary was listing her
resume accomplishments and mentioned the man child
only had a speech in 2004.

He got all bent out of shape. That showed his weak spot.
Why don't our guys hit that weak spot.

I Remember his shouting:
Just words, just speeches

24 posted on 06/14/2009 11:24:42 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude (o)...Ayatollah of GlennBeckistan... keep it goin' brother...(o)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Very true. Which illustrates the difference between words and B.S.


25 posted on 06/14/2009 11:30:27 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Hmmmm....Keller himself writes this one.

Wonder why.

26 posted on 06/14/2009 11:34:33 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Erik Latranyi
I honestly believe that Obama thinks he is confronting them. We know it is doing nothing more than enabling the terrorists.

If you are right (I certainly am not saying you are wrong) it is another of those instances of being sincere, earnest and wrong simultaneously.

Not a good grouping of characteristics for a Cub Scout leader, let alone the ostensible head of a country.

27 posted on 06/14/2009 1:16:40 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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