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Is There A Parallel Spirit World?
Post Scripts ^ | 6/14/09 | OneVike

Posted on 06/14/2009 10:06:21 AM PDT by OneVike


In today's technological age, it might seem silly for intelligent people to consider a spiritual world where beings we cannot see might exist. Oh it's fine to read books and watch Hollywood movies about the afterlife and spirits that roam the netherworld but that's all make believe, not the real world. In the real world we are taught that reality consists of what we can touch, taste, see, hear, smell, and that the spirit world is for those weak minded individuals who use religion as a crutch to get through the day. But what if I told you that scientists have concluded that there is a strong possibility that a parallel universe really does exist? Now, as a Christian I do not need proof that a spirit world exists, but it is my belief that God wants us to do our utmost to understand what it is He has Created. That being said, the Spirit World is an aspect of God's Creation that we can only speculate upon just as Rene Descartes, the father of modern day philosophy did. Descartes admitted that God was the Creator of the world, but he believed that the spiritual world existed solely in the minds of men. So I guess the question would be, does a parallel spirit world exist, or is it just a figment of our fertile imaginations?

I would suggest that in order to properly answer that question, we need to first realize that God gave us a mind and the ability to think on a level with Him, if only we allow ourselves to put the silly notions of men aside. One silly notion is that reality

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In a world dominated by that which our five senses can detect, we often times forget to realize that God is ever present.
1 posted on 06/14/2009 10:06:21 AM PDT by OneVike
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To: OneVike

I hope there is. I believe in God. I do worry, however, that death may just be a shutting out of the lights / existance. I hope that we continue on as ourselves.


2 posted on 06/14/2009 10:08:41 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: OneVike
I suggest you read John Piper's Seeing and Savoring Jesus Christ

It addresses this very topic.
Most excellent!

And yes, there is indeed a 'spirit world'...

3 posted on 06/14/2009 10:10:14 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Alex Murphy; SendShaqtoIraq; ChicagahAl; SandRat; mia; HiTech RedNeck; SolidWood; Canedawg; ...
Back into the apologetical mood this week.
Let me know if you would like to be added or removed from my ping list.

Time for me to go Windchime and present my message for the ladies. I'll check back later for a good discussion and debate that I hope takes place.

God bless you all;
OV
4 posted on 06/14/2009 10:10:45 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

A better question may be, “Is there an infinite number of parallel spirit worlds?”

(Talk about having the opportunity to learn from one’s mistakes!)


5 posted on 06/14/2009 10:11:46 AM PDT by frog in a pot (If imposed, socialism, facism & Shariah will violate the Constitution and be "domestic enemies".)
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To: mysterio
Dear Freeper, if you believe in God, then put your hope in Him.

Death is much more than a 'shutting out the lights'...

..death is eternity...either with God or separated from Him.

6 posted on 06/14/2009 10:12:01 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere
Thank you for your response.

I do believe in God. I pray often. I have just spent too much time thinking about what comes next. I could write a long essay explaining how I came to my doubts, but honestly, I wouldn't want anyone else to follow that logical stream. I hope those that believe in an afterlife are correct.
7 posted on 06/14/2009 10:16:22 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: OneVike

I’m an agnostic.

Yes there is a spirit world.


8 posted on 06/14/2009 10:17:53 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 146 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: OneVike
In a world dominated by that which our five senses can detect, we often times forget to realize that God is ever present.

Maybe the shallow, material world is dominated by elements detected by our five senses, but as individuals and families, our lives are mostly influenced by love of each other and of God, our battles of conscience (between what we are told and perceive as good and evil), and our deep hunger for interaction with the Divine.

Most people I know are already living in the eternal world...very few (and those seem to exist only in movies and fiction) live purely sensual lives.

Please note that I don't mean to say that all who are now living in the eternal are living Godly lives...many seem to have already cast their lot with Satan (think Democrats).

9 posted on 06/14/2009 10:20:26 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Enough about me, let's talk about you...what do you think of me?")
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To: OneVike

(Psa 139:13 NIV) For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.

(Psa 139:14 NIV) I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.

(Psa 139:15 NIV) My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,

(Psa 139:16 NIV) your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Now does this sound like an Entity that drop kicks you to Planet Earth, in a family of who knows what, married to a thing a ma bob, and let’s you lie down, close your eyes, and that’s it.

Uh, don’t think so.


10 posted on 06/14/2009 10:23:49 AM PDT by ladyL
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To: mysterio

When you have a relationship with Jesus Christ, then you are a part of that spirit realm, and then you realize the real reality is there, not here. This is preperation for that realm, which lasts forever. This mess is temporary.


11 posted on 06/14/2009 10:23:54 AM PDT by Kackikat (It isn''t over till it's over, and it s not over yet.....when the TRUMPET sounds I'll be gone...)
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To: mysterio
Please consider reading ..Josh McDowell's Evidence that Demands a Verdict

Or....Josh McDowell's More Than a Carpenter (a small in size book)

or..CS Lewis...Mere Christianity

God bless!

12 posted on 06/14/2009 10:26:15 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: OneVike

In the movie Andromeda Strain, the nurse technician climbs into a backless suit connected to a flexible tube that enables her to function in the clean room. That is how I envision the relationship of the “spirit world” to our “reality world.” Our spirits have simply climbed into our reality suits.

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm956866304/tt0066769


13 posted on 06/14/2009 10:28:22 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: Guenevere

Anything C.S. Lewis is worth it.


14 posted on 06/14/2009 10:32:22 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: mysterio

There is a saying that comes to mind.....

“For those that believe, no explanation is necessary.
For those that don’t believe, no explanation is satisfactory.”


15 posted on 06/14/2009 10:36:32 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I voted for Sarah Palin on November 4, 2008. John McCain just happened to be on the ticket.)
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To: mysterio

I started wondering about the spirit world after witnessing the deaths of three of my grandparents. I was there while all three took their last breath and they all did the same thing in the last minutes of their lives. They all called out to their mother and talked to them like they were standing right there. This happened when they were at the point where they couldn’t communicate with the people in the room and were breathing very shallow. It really got my attention and I’m a believer but not very religious.


16 posted on 06/14/2009 10:36:33 AM PDT by peeps36 ( Al Gore. Is A Big Fat Lying Hypocrite. He Pollutes The Air By Opening His Big Mouth)
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To: mysterio

“I hope that we continue on as ourselves.”

Hmmm. I hope to do better. The defective corporeal shell that I’m currently trapped in, would be a real “booby prize” if I was eternally saddled with it.

Where, when, and however we end up, we are all “bobsledding” directly towards it, so we’d better make arrangements.


17 posted on 06/14/2009 10:37:32 AM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: Quix

ping


18 posted on 06/14/2009 10:39:20 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: OneVike

I stick to the idea of Descartes: The spiritual world is inside our brain, but unfortunately sometimes I reduce my spiritual world by watching TV.


19 posted on 06/14/2009 10:42:17 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: OneVike

Thanks for the ping!


20 posted on 06/14/2009 10:42:28 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: OneVike
To put it bluntly, any one of us could walk out of our homes or businesses today and be hit by a car!

Think now where you want to spend eternity!

You won't have a 2nd chance after it happens.

21 posted on 06/14/2009 10:42:48 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: mysterio
"When I die, I hope to go to Heaven, whatever the Hell that is."

-Ayn Rand

22 posted on 06/14/2009 10:42:53 AM PDT by GunRunner
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To: OneVike
In the real world we are taught that reality consists of what we can touch, taste, see, hear, smell, and that the spirit world is for those weak minded individuals who use religion as a crutch to get through the day.

If reality consists of what we can touch, see, hear, and smell, does that mean that nothing existed before we were born and nothing will exist when we die?

23 posted on 06/14/2009 10:44:52 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

“If reality consists of what we can touch, see, hear, and smell, does that mean that nothing existed before we were born and nothing will exist when we die?

This does seem to the public perception of history.


24 posted on 06/14/2009 10:46:47 AM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: AdmSmith

God is a state of mind, and of matter. That is the message.


25 posted on 06/14/2009 10:47:32 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Texas Eagle

This does seem to be the public perception of history.
Sorry.


26 posted on 06/14/2009 10:47:40 AM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: OneVike

No.


27 posted on 06/14/2009 10:49:08 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit (Two terms for politicians, one in office, one in jail.))
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To: peeps36

When my father in law passed he also called out to his mother. He told us he could hear her calling to him.


28 posted on 06/14/2009 10:49:21 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (The ground at Arlington is moving & shaking.)
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To: Texas Eagle
If reality consists of what we can touch, see, hear, and smell, does that mean that nothing existed before we were born and nothing will exist when we die?

I touch, see, hear, and smell in my dreams. Are my dreams real?

29 posted on 06/14/2009 10:52:32 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: OneVike
The world of your dreams is proof of a spiritual work. Without using eyes, ears, arms and legs, etc. you transverse a world the is not limited to time and space. And yet that world could be said to exists in this world and that that world is all wrapped up inside you. God gives us a peak of the next reality in our dreams. Nighty-night and enjoy.
30 posted on 06/14/2009 10:54:57 AM PDT by JPG
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To: peeps36
I don't normally mention this to folks. I mentioned it once on FR though.

I live in a small brownstone in Boston. There are only a few apartments here. A number of years ago two old men lived here, Bradford and Jim. They were friends and had lived in this building for years with Bradford's apartment directly above Jim's. I knew both of these guys and considered them friends.

Brad died of colon cancer and within a week I saw something that I can not explain. I was in Jim's room in the middle of the day, bright sunlit day and no - we were not drinking. I was facing Jim and directly behind him was his kitchen sink. The faucet handle on my left turned on: it simply turned and water came out of the faucet as it normally would. Jim saw my reaction as I said “ Jim - the faucet - “ and he said “ Oh, its doing it again. “

He walked a few feet to the sink and turned it off. He said it had been happening since Bradford died and that he was also hearing a thumping on his ceiling coming from Bradford's room. Brad used to thump his cane on his floor when he needed Jim's assistance.

I never heard any thumping ( and I am grateful for that ) but I saw what happened in Jim's room. I saw it happen as clear as day.

31 posted on 06/14/2009 10:55:43 AM PDT by warsaw44
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To: UnwashedPeasant
touch, see, hear, and smell in my dreams. Are my dreams real? Of course they are real. Do you remember them? Do they steer you? Do they scare you? Do they make you happy? It's all a part of the big picture. A denier is a fool.
32 posted on 06/14/2009 10:57:52 AM PDT by eyedigress
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To: OneVike
With wisdom comes the realization that reality is just too damn preposterous to have arrived without a wit behind it.
33 posted on 06/14/2009 10:59:23 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("If every man who swore to uphold the US Constitution actually did so..." LIARS!!!)
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To: OneVike

When pressed, even scientists will admit that it is foolish to rely on our senses and our perception of the universe when understanding nature.

Nature is becoming more and more abstract as we learn more about it.


34 posted on 06/14/2009 11:04:15 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: 4yearlurker; peeps36
I divorced my first wife years ago.

One night I was awaked by a dream where some female entity was kicking and pinching me while asking "Why did you divorce my baby?". I gave the answer, and that drean entity chuckled and made a comment about "the old family problem". The next day my ex-wife called to inform me that her grandmother had passed away during the night.

Several years later I had a drean where a strong male entity gave me the same sort of treatment. When I gave the answer he said, "Hmmmm. Just like her mother". The next day my ex-wife called to tell me that her father had passed away during the night.

I have several more interesting incidents like this. There is no doubt that there is a spirit world, and it can indeed interact with our world.

35 posted on 06/14/2009 11:07:54 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: OneVike
Now, as a Christian I do not need proof that a spirit world exists, but it is my belief that God wants us to do our utmost to understand what it is He has Created.

Leviticus 19:31 - "Do not turn to ghosts and do not inquire of familiar spirits, to be defiled by them. I the LORD am your God."

36 posted on 06/14/2009 11:10:35 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: AdmSmith
I stick to the idea of Descartes: The spiritual world is inside our brain, but unfortunately sometimes I reduce my spiritual world by watching TV.

I'll bet Joe Biden used to watch Descarte on TV...did he come on right after the FDR show?;-)

37 posted on 06/14/2009 11:15:52 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama: "Enough about me, let's talk about you...what do you think of me?")
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To: Habibi

I don’t know if it’s a good or a bad thing, but I don’t really want to be anything other than myself in this life or the next. Anyway, I’m probably worrying away a beautiful day out there. I’ll have plenty of time to be dead. The living days are short.


38 posted on 06/14/2009 11:25:17 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: GingisK; 4yearlurker; peeps36; Darksheare
"I divorced my first wife years ago.

One night I was awaked by a dream where some female entity was kicking and pinching me while asking "Why did you divorce my baby?". I gave the answer, and that drean entity chuckled and made a comment about "the old family problem". The next day my ex-wife called to inform me that her grandmother had passed away during the night.

Several years later I had a drean where a strong male entity gave me the same sort of treatment. When I gave the answer he said, "Hmmmm. Just like her mother". The next day my ex-wife called to tell me that her father had passed away during the night."

Maybe you should put a lock on the bedroom door of your dreams.

39 posted on 06/14/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (Error is patient. It has all of time for its disturbing machinations.)
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ive been fortunate to experience the spiritual world first hand as well as thru my toddler son experiencing visits from an uncle who died years before he was born...

it’s there, it’s real....

learn from it, God created us as more than just fleshly beings...


40 posted on 06/14/2009 11:32:25 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: warsaw44

Old Bradford probably needed you guys to take care of something for him...


41 posted on 06/14/2009 11:32:25 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: OneVike

I don’t think these speculations are bad, as long as we continue to realize that the total nature of creation will remain a mystery to us, in our present state.

In fact, each advance in science has not only answered age-old questions but always opened a window on creation that represented more questions than we even knew to ask before.

I enjoy the speculation and I believe that there is nothing that is really supernatural - only some things presently beyond our understanding.

But at the end of the day I am still comfortable knowing creation remains a mystery that I will never completely fathom. That’s O.K.


42 posted on 06/14/2009 11:39:40 AM PDT by Wuli (u)
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To: OneVike
we don't really know much about reality.

quantum unreality

43 posted on 06/14/2009 11:42:19 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin: Iron Lady of the North)
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To: Axenolith
Wish I knew what it was. Jim thought he was just playing pranks on us.

Bradford had been divorced for many years and as I understood his wife had been fooling around on him. Never once saw a relative visit him although a number showed up after his death. I never even saw them while he wasted away in the VA or at home.

Very interesting man. Had been involved in the diplomatic corp, had told a story about how Hitler had straightened out Brad's crooked bow tie during some function. He gave me a few photos from the function but they were stolen from me later. During the war he was in the army and participated in D-Day.

44 posted on 06/14/2009 11:46:01 AM PDT by warsaw44
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To: All

we’ve been having some strange things happening in my family here of late. Light switches going on and off and familiar voices being heard in other rooms when no one else is in the house.

I don’t have a clue what to make of it, and yes, Ive heard the voices.

Ive been reading up on this and the closest answer I can come up with is we have a poltergeist.


45 posted on 06/14/2009 11:47:41 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous ( I think you're so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: mysterio

I have just spent too much time thinking about what comes next.

As is typical with most people.
Try to spend more time thinking about where you were before
you were born.


46 posted on 06/14/2009 11:51:03 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: mysterio

Either life’s adventure continues after death in another form, another place or death is the onset of an eternal dreamless sleep. Either way we will be ok. I personally believe the adventure continues with God.


47 posted on 06/14/2009 11:52:03 AM PDT by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: warsaw44

The funny thing is that, in our arrogance, we view ourselves as the most advanced beings in the universe. And since we can’t apply man made scientific methods to the spiritual world then we view it as akin to ancient mythology. But in our entire solar system, an ant is an absolutely incredible being,far more advanced and complex than anything on any nearby planet, asteroid, comet or even our own star. In the ants world, he will never be able to experience or comprehend many of the things that surround him through his senses. But if he were to evolve into some human like being, more and more of the actual world will be evident to him through his enhanced perception of reality, even though he was never able to comprehend what was always there.


48 posted on 06/14/2009 12:09:22 PM PDT by MiltonFriedmanFan
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To: Armedanddangerous

Is this a house you recently moved into?


49 posted on 06/14/2009 12:09:55 PM PDT by warsaw44
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To: OneVike

Bump


50 posted on 06/14/2009 12:21:47 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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