Posted on 06/14/2009 6:24:07 PM PDT by greatdefender
I guess if you aren’t producing any at all it is terrible, and you would have to have some replacement hormones regardless of the risk. Better to have some quality of life than be bouncing off the walls. While there is risk, knowing that you can also watch carefully and manage that risk.
There’s always going to be a risk with me; I suppose; but I don’t like bouncing off the walls. I remember a friend who had it much worse than me. Hormones didn’t work with her and her body was totally messed up to begin with. I remember us chunking ice on ourselves in front of the a/c vent due to hot flashes. People thought we were crazy and I suppose we were; but when you have hot flashes; you feel good one minute litteraly and than really bad the next.
Estrone (3-hydroxy-13-methyl- 6,7,8,9,11,12,13,14,15,16- decahydrocyclopenta[a]phenanthren- 17- one) is estrone, whether it’s made in a horse, in a human, or in a lab. That’s the primary form of estrogen found in Premarin. There are smaller amounts of two others, which are not naturally present in humans, but no evidence that they have any harmful effects, and actually quite a bit of research showing that they’re likely to have some beneficial effects (though probably only if taken in larger quantities than the portions found in Premarin).
The problems with Premarin and other common forms of hormone replacement therapy (including “bioidentical” hormones) is that they all involve dosing with a few of the many downstream hormones in the overall web of steroidogenesis. *Some* of these can back-convert to *some* extent, but it’s still a very unnatural disruption of the hormone balance. In the absence of clear genetic abnormalities (e.g. defects in specific enzymes that convert the various steroids into different ones), it makes a lot more sense to supplement steroids that are much further upstream, e.g. pregnenolone and/or DHEA, and let the body choose how much of what to make from these raw materials. That approach is a lot more likely to result in normal, healthy, and properly balanced levels of the large numbers of steroid hormones we naturally have.
Most of the negative health effects that have been traced to hormone replacement therapy are not dependent on whether Premarin vs. products not containing any equine estrogens were used. There’s much stronger evidence that the standard practice of replacing estrogens without simultaneously replacing testosterone (which is upstream from the estrogens) is the key factor in negative health effects. DHEA is upstream from both testosterone and all the human forms of estrogen, and supplementing DHEA therefore does not bypass testosterone production, and flood the body with high levels of estrogen while it is still abnormally low in testosterone.
Even in perfectly healthy people, there is so much individual variation in hormone levels, including day-to-day and intraday variations, that attempts to craft individually customized products that dose many different hormones separately are only slightly more scientifically defensible than the estrogens-only approach. But to the extent that these custom formulations include significant amounts of upstream precursors and/or some of the further downstream androgens, they’re definitely better than taking estrogens only. If there’s any form of estrogen included at all, there’s no evidence to suggest that Premarin wouldn’t be a perfectly good source of that estrogen.
Hi there...would I ever like to pick your brain on bio-identicals!!! I am having hormone ‘issues.’ Do you have any links to any sites?
Ever heard of estriol? And, YES....anyone taking hormones should be BALANCING their hormones, including all the different kinds of Estrogen.....and be tested, regularly....I take VERY little estriol....more DHEA and Pregnenelone and Progesterone....
Luckily I have one of the premier hormone docs....and this article may be of interest to you....http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hotflashes.shtml
What I know is.....I would as I said be in a wheel chair or dead without them.
http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/hotflashes.shtml
Send me freep mail with your questions if you like. I love helping other women....I’m NOT a doc....but, I’ve been through the doctor mill.....and found a solution for me. It might help others.
Oh I know what hot flashes are all about, I have them constantly due to my own health problems I have systemic sclerosis that flares up and causes all kinds of problems from time to time, combined with a body that I busted up pretty good a few years ago. I’m falling apart in more ways than you can count, LoL!
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As referring to my post 54, in 2000 my mother-in-law ended up in the ER two times with congested heart failure, and similarly was discharged from the hospital; doctors verdict they could not do more for her with options go to a nursing home or home with oxygen tanks, etc. We took her in and gave her OPC-3 for human as well as HGH enhancer alias Secretegogues. Within three months she was nursed back to good health and has been in her own home ever since, religiously taken her supplements mornings and evenings!!
People were giving their pets OPC-3 so our umbrella company decided to develop this "Pet Health OPC" for dogs and cats with numerous success stories!!!
I know as you do; they are not fun. LOL
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It’s not just the sexual organs that need these hormones, it’s the whole body. It certainly does make sense to bypass the liver, but in reality, injections are much more reliable and accurate than transdermal administration, and buttocks, hips, or abdomens are as good locations as any. But of course, many people are squeamish about giving themselves injections, and also the medical establishment and pharmaceutical companies that are trying to corner the market on hormone therapy would have a much easier time convincing the public and politicians that injectable treatments are scary and dangerous, than transdermal treatments.
Both pills and injections have the advantage of ensuring that the person the dose is intended for — and only that person — gets the whole dose. There was a scary case reported a couple of years back of a young boy who started showing some weird hormonal effects, which were eventually traced to his father’s transdermal testosterone treatments (NOT applied to his genitals) — apparently enough had been rubbing off on the boy in the course of ordinary father-son contact that the boy got the effects.
Granted, I didn’t click on the link, but I think they should speak to those folks who have used compounding pharmacies, especially those women who use them to “get through” menopause.. Testosterone is included in some of the iinjections, and women feel a difference before they get to their cars after leaving the dr’s office. Women FILL the office of a local doc that provides the service— went for an unrelated reason, and spoke to the users of the treatment. In fact, that doc is so busy, he had to train another doc office so patients wouldn’t have to be turned away.
Not enough dr’s utilize the service, they are just closed minded.
Well...yes....the whole Endocrine system is affected by or through or with Hormones.....which affects everything...heart, lungs, muscles, brain, etc...
I’ll take the creams, thanks....don’t want to deal with shots....had one doc offer me the “youth hormone” (can’t remember the name right now) through injections....NO THANKS.
Hormones applied to sexual areas get to the person they are intended for....as long as you avoid application before ...um....intimacy with your spouse. I don’t use the hormones on arms or thighs, etc....like Suzanne Somers....I’m surprised she does.
You can't trust what the drug companies tell you though.
I am very skeptical when it comes to drug companies.
My wife was a young woman once upon a time, and she was taking birth control pills for a couple years before we decided to have kids. Then when she was 27, she developed breast cancer.
After we went through all of that, never again did she ever take birth control pills, and never again did she develop any further problems.
While the jury may still be out on the birth control issue, I think it will eventually rule that those things should not be taken by young women.
I think that there is much we don't know about hormones, and what all they effect in the body, how the body regulates them and for what reasons.
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Aren't transdermal patches available for hormones? They deliver a good regular dose of whatever drug you need.
I was on Fentanyl patches for a few years when I was in a lot of agony. They worked pretty good. Used in a three patch rotation, they can deliver and maintain constant level of drug in your system comfortably.
There are no hormone producing glands to keep healthy with a regiment of herbs and vitamins and eyes of gnats.
I suppose they are....but, I control the amount of cream I use...and can vary it as needed (I don’t do that very much, however.) I could apply the cream twice a day (which I do with progesterone)....but, I don’t and do fine with my prescribed doses. AND, it’s a little hard to use a transdermal patch on my private parts....LOL.
Birth control pills do NOT balance the different types of estrogens....just like Premarin does not. I don’t think BC pills would work if they did. They purposely mess up a woman’s system to prevent pregnancy. Sooooo.....they are playing with the body in ways the body wasn’t meant to be played with.
I too am very skeptical of drug companies. I am NOT however, skeptical about hormones when they are responsibly used, and the individual undergoes proper testing.
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