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Crops under stress as temperatures fall (Grain Production Down)
Telegraph Co. UK ^ | 6:04PM BST 13 Jun 2009 | Christopher Booker

Posted on 06/15/2009 3:13:40 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

Our politicians haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, observes Christopher Booker.

In Manitoba last week, it was -4ºC. North Dakota had its first June snow for 60 years.

a veteran US grain expert said last week: "In 43 years I've never seen anything like the decline (crop yield) we're looking at in South America."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climate; globalcooling; grain; sunspot
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This author gets it, and knows the POL's are frauds.

"It is now more than 200 years since the great astronomer William Herschel observed a correlation between wheat prices and sunspots. When the latter were few in number, he noted, the climate turned colder and drier, crop yields fell and wheat prices rose. In the past two years, sunspot activity has dropped to its lowest point for a century. One of our biggest worries is that our politicians are so fixated on the idea that CO2 is causing global warming that most of them haven't noticed that the problem may be that the world is not warming but cooling, with all the implications that has for whether we get enough to eat."

1 posted on 06/15/2009 3:13:41 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

10 years of cooling and the media and global warming ‘scientists’ are still in denial. By every computer model, global warming was suppose to have been accellerating, but instead the earth had other plans. None of the computer models predicted this could happen.


2 posted on 06/15/2009 3:20:06 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Texas Fossil

So we take a lesson from the little ice age and shift to more cold resistant crops.


3 posted on 06/15/2009 3:24:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Boy, that Al Gore sure knows how to get things done.


4 posted on 06/15/2009 3:25:39 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Always Right
None of the computer models predicted this could happen.

And just like the idiot sports forecasters who blame the Podunk U. "upset" of Notre Dame on a "lackluster" effort by ND, and a "overwhelming" effort by PU, they just don't get that they need a better model.

5 posted on 06/15/2009 3:28:44 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Always Right

This “Global Warming” nonsense has been debunked for years, but the press continues to tell the Big Lie about it and other things.

That is exactly how we came to have OBOZO sleeping in the White House.

The recent weather shift due to Solar radiation change is real and it does have the affect the author stated. I knew that it had been established for 100 years, but I did not know that the observation was 200 years old.

This is a real observation. This years wheat crop in mid-Texas was in some areas off “normal” by 60-70% due to drougth. This year had the lowest rainfall since 1952.

Oklahoma is reporting 40% crop failure in part of the state due to late freeze.

My family farms and produces planting seed here in Texas. We had a total crop failure. Seed at least regionally will be short this season.


6 posted on 06/15/2009 3:32:42 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Texas Fossil

It might be a good time to utilize our food production for food instead of using it as a feedstock for expensive and inefficient fuels.


7 posted on 06/15/2009 3:44:19 AM PDT by gridlock (L'Etat, c'est Barack...)
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To: gridlock

“It might be a good time to utilize our food production for food instead of using it as a feedstock for expensive and inefficient fuels.”

Understatement


8 posted on 06/15/2009 3:53:23 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: Texas Fossil

bookmark


9 posted on 06/15/2009 4:03:22 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: Texas Fossil; Normandy; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; Delacon; ..
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

10 posted on 06/15/2009 4:14:31 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money" - Lady Thatcher)
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To: SumProVita

Should I buy a new Suburban from Obama Motors? I want to do my part to prevent cooling. After all climate change is an AC-DC project and it can swing both ways.
barbra ann


11 posted on 06/15/2009 4:20:46 AM PDT by barb-tex (He will simply soak the filthy rich and help the common man.)
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To: barb-tex

Lol! I think most people will FIRMLY reject any “cars” that come form an entity run by the government.


12 posted on 06/15/2009 4:23:40 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: cripplecreek

It is not simply temperature, crops will not grow without rain and irrigation cost are still very high where the ground water is available.


13 posted on 06/15/2009 4:25:18 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Texas Fossil

First half of June was the coldest on record for Chicago per the story below.

http://weblogs.wgntv.com/chicago-weather/tom-skilling-blog/2009/06/chilly-junes-2009-open-one-for-2.html


14 posted on 06/15/2009 4:25:35 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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To: barb-tex

We were alway a GM family as I was growing up. I have owned many, but will never ever own another.

This is the kiss of death for both GM and Chrysler.

They will not be about building a better car, but about taking care of the UAW at the expense of the public.

Within 1 years it will be apparent how bad this trainwreck really is.

6-9 months from now, with 12%+ unemployment, higher gasoline prices, higher food prices, and much higher taxes, You tell me what will happen.


15 posted on 06/15/2009 4:30:10 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Stevenc131
First half of June was the coldest on record for Chicago per the story below.

Not surprised at all, fits the pattern.

There are Lies and then there are the "Big Lies" like Global Warming.

16 posted on 06/15/2009 4:32:45 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Texas Fossil

Not good- we saw what happened when limousine liberals and Washington beaurocrats pushed the ethanol idea- the supply of food corn and feed corn shrank causing corn, meat and dairy prices to rise. Violence and unrest suddenly cropped up around the world.

A food shortage is perhaps the quickest way for brutal wars and revolutions (the bad kind) to break out.


17 posted on 06/15/2009 4:44:24 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: Texas Fossil

temperatures 7, 10 degrees F below normal thru out most of North America except for the deep south is very worry some. As a long time skeptic of Man Made Global Warming I have investigated climatic change for some time and in conciderable detail. It is my understanding that the Earth quickly goes from cold to warm, or warm to cold. The process can happen in as little as 10 years. While I expect temperatures to rebound this summer, I will be watching fall temperatures very closely. Another cold fall and brutal winter and I think we might be in for real climate change. And I don’t think we are going to like it.


18 posted on 06/15/2009 4:45:08 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Texas Fossil

So we stop trying to grow cold weather crops in the desert and return to growing them where they grew 100 years ago. The upper midwest used to be a major non grain food production area before breeding varieties that would grow in the desert closer to cheap labor. If anything its getting wetter here.

We can grow just about any root crop you can think of as well as things like cabbage, broccoli, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, cherries, apples, etc etc etc.

Climate change is not uniform and there won’t be a perfect ring of tundra extending to northern Ohio or anything like that. The Europeans found that out when they came from Europe and found it to be much colder at the same latitudes as europe.


19 posted on 06/15/2009 4:50:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: jpsb

I learned many years ago while living in NM that much of the focus of government funded “Science” is about “Funding” more than it is about Science.

Many of my Ham friends worked at the Labs, these were engineers not politicians, and they were very technically sharp.

They only want technicians and engineers when they have a problem. These guys live in the real world. It is their job to take an idea and make it work.

That is what we need now. Throw the sceaming POLs out on their A$$ and put turn this over to people who know how to DO things not talk about “forcing” others to do things that no one wants anyway.


20 posted on 06/15/2009 4:56:55 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: cripplecreek

Crop production problems will not be solved in Washington DC.

The crop yields we have had from new crop varieties over the past 50 years have shown huge increases. This prevented worldwide food problems. You are right crops are not adapted to all climates, and you cannot predict the weather year-to-year.

My family has farmed in the same county in Texas since 1886, and another county for a time after we were displaced by Reconstruction in Alabama.

I do not farm, but all the rest of my family do. My connection with this is hands on and over a long period of time.

Gentlemen, we are witnessing an attempt to put the U.S. under a Global Government. This Global Warming scam is only a piece of the attack. It is based on a lie, for a reason. Control.


21 posted on 06/15/2009 5:05:23 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Texas Fossil

The climate is falling people are never satisfied. First it’s too warm and getting warmer and we’re all gonna die and now it’s too cold and getting colder and we’re all gonna die. Boring...


22 posted on 06/15/2009 5:06:46 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Always Right
10 years of cooling and the media and global warming ‘scientists’ are still in denial. By every computer model, global warming was suppose to have been accellerating, but instead the earth had other plans. None of the computer models predicted this could happen.

In the 70's the cry was "a new ice-age is coming!".

Do ya think...hey!...

23 posted on 06/15/2009 5:07:18 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: GBA

Chicken Little “the sky is falling” — Give me the Money.


24 posted on 06/15/2009 5:08:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: barb-tex

“Should I buy a new Suburban from Obama Motors?”

Absolutely not, but if you buy one now you’d be getting one of the old, “good” ones. ;-) Of course a lease turn-in is usually a much better deal than a new one.

CO2 is actually good, not because it’ll boost temperatures (it won’t make any real difference) but because it helps crops grow. The extra CO2 in the air now supposedly causes 30% more crop growth than if there’d been no industrial output.

“After all climate change is an AC-DC project and it can swing both ways.”

Well...while the argument with global warming was that it is “person-made” (manmade? how un-pc), the same doesn’t apply to global cooling. It is strictly a natural thing, and to mess with it would be Ecological Heresy. As for me, I say “Drill, Baby, Drill!”.

The good news is, we may be seeing open season on polar bears pretty soon. I know Governor Palin would approve! :-)


25 posted on 06/15/2009 5:14:23 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Caipirabob
There is no doubt an ice age is comming. For many millions of years the Earth has oscillated between ice ages and interglacals. Ice ages lasting hundreds of thousands of years and interglacals ten to twenty thousand years. We are about 12,000 years into an interglacal period so at best we have another 8,000 years of enjoying a warm climate. At worst we got a couple more years.
26 posted on 06/15/2009 5:14:57 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Texas Fossil

Government certainly creates more problems than it solves.


27 posted on 06/15/2009 5:15:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Texas Fossil

So stop burning corn in the cars, Idiots!


28 posted on 06/15/2009 5:16:59 AM PDT by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus - I Tim 2:5)
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To: Always Right
Yep:

Lots of good information at Icecap.us.

I'm betting on a real cold winter if the Sun keeps up at the current pace. Sunspot activity is still very low.

29 posted on 06/15/2009 5:19:01 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: cripplecreek

Yes, like the old Walt Disney movie the “Sorcer’s Apprentice”.

Give great power to children and you get dangerous unintended results.

In this case it is worse. It is the intended result, to destroy the U.S. as you and I know it.

Obozo is Traitor-In-Chief.


30 posted on 06/15/2009 5:19:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Texas Fossil

We have been having just the opposite here in Alabama - much cooler than usual, but also much much wetter. The days that there is no rain though have had very little humidity.

By now we are usually mid-90’s with excessive humidity. Last week was our first 90 degree day, and most days have been 85-90 with 20-25% humidity interspersed with mid-70’s-mid 80’s and heavy rain days.


31 posted on 06/15/2009 5:28:25 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: commish

The key is “weather variability” not hot/cold wet/dry. Weather variability by location not global trend.

My ancestors were at one time near Wedowee in Randolph County, AL. During Reconstruction they were burned out and went GTT (Gone To Texas)


32 posted on 06/15/2009 5:37:18 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Texas Fossil
"Temperatures falling? Crops under stress?"

"Quickly now - there is no time to waste!
We must pass Cap and Trade before the
little people are informed of these facts. "

33 posted on 06/15/2009 5:42:47 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama as President is like hiring a mechanic who never saw a car before.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
The reports we are getting 7, 10 degrees F below normal are huge numbers. & and 10 degree temperature drops are way more then I would expect due to decreased sunspot activity. I suspect something else is going on. What I've no idea, perhaps we are seeing (for the first time) some new wrinkle from our Sun? Scary thought!
34 posted on 06/15/2009 5:48:38 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Iron Munro

Cap & Trade is about taxing for Global Government. Just another peg in the coffin. An extension on the “Big Lie”.

Temperatures have been falling (contrary to Global Warming) and Crop yield will be down this year at least in the areas I can access.

It is time to twist the ears of our Congress Critters, stating that we are going to throw you bums all out.

We are on a self destruct coarse with autopilot engaged. We need an experience pilot at the controls, not a Lying Kenyan Commie.


35 posted on 06/15/2009 5:50:02 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Texas Fossil
Crops under stress as temperatures fall

Obligatory D@mn Glow Bull Warming comment.

36 posted on 06/15/2009 5:55:45 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Texas Fossil
6-9 months from now, with 12%+ unemployment, higher gasoline prices, higher food prices, and much higher taxes, You tell me what will happen.

Frankly, I'd love to say that we will take to the streets to take oiur country back. Unfortunately, I'm losing my faith in the American people to actually take action. For far too long, we've allowed ourselves to be brainwashed into believing that "the system will correct itself, just give it time".

How much more time do we need to give it? We are watching our country be wrecked by an illegal president and a complicit Congress unwilling to step up to the plate and stand up for America. This train wreck isn't happening in Europe, it's happening right here, under our noses. It isn't America "tut-tutting" about the demise of another country, it is Europe "tut-tutting" about the demise of America!

Sadly, we have become a pathetic joke of what we used to be.

37 posted on 06/15/2009 6:03:21 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Texas Fossil
My neighbor caused this cold snap.

He bought a Prius and started driving it and look how well it's working.

If I were to buy enough of those screwy looking fluorescent bulbs, we could have ice-fishing in July.

38 posted on 06/15/2009 6:05:42 AM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: DustyMoment
One picture is worth a thousand words. June 1, 1999 vrs june 1, 2009 North Pole. Quite an eye opener. Seems this global warming site, doesn't want to display 2009 data but if you play with the urls you can get it.
39 posted on 06/15/2009 6:05:50 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Always Right
"None of the computer models predicted this could happen."

GIGO.

40 posted on 06/15/2009 6:13:17 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: PreciousLiberty
"Well...while the argument with global warming was that it is “person-made” (manmade? how un-pc)..."

Gorebull warming is MANmade (and white, Christian man at that) because it's eeeeeevil! If it were gooood, it would be person-made, or gaia-made or some such. No?

41 posted on 06/15/2009 6:23:49 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: jpsb

“The reports we are getting 7, 10 degrees F below normal are huge numbers. & and 10 degree temperature drops are way more then I would expect due to decreased sunspot activity.”

Well, remember the global mean is different than regional activity. I think the key things are that the temperature anomalies are to the low side, rather than to the up side. If global warming were happening, you’d expect the reverse.

It’s forecast to be 90 deg. here today, with a “feel” of 99 deg. About right for this time of year. A little cooling would be welcome!

The other thing to remember about all the late snowfall and precipitation is that both snow and clouds reflect a lot of energy back into space...which is a quite chaotic and non-linear effect. Cloud modeling in particular is a weak spot in the climate models:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/12/suggestions-of-strong-negative-cloud-feedbacks-in-a-warmer-climate/

That article is pretty technical, but there’s some good meat there. The short version is that in reality rising temperatures trigger more clouds, and negative temperature feedbacks, whereas the alarmist models use a positive feedback model (higher temperatures mean fewer clouds).

If that were the case, of course, it’s hard to see how the Earth returned from higher temperature regimes in the past.


42 posted on 06/15/2009 6:24:15 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
"If global warming were happening, you’d expect the reverse."

Personally I am past the AGW argument, it is not happening. I have been telling folks for years (many many years) that mankind has far more to worry about with global cooling then global warming and that global cooling is far more likely then global warming.

The Global warming crowd has to go back 400 million years to find a single iffy case of run away warming. However one only has to go back 15,000 years to find a case of run away global cooling. Plus there are many instances of run a way cooling (ice ages) in the last few million years. Even a dumb ass like Al Gore should have been able to see that cooling is the far greater and far more likely threat.

We are 12,500 thousand years into an inter glacial that typically lasts 10 to 20 thousand years. So the next ice age is due any time now. The change from inter glacial to ice age happens very quickly. It is not a gradual temperature drop, it is a dramatic drop in temperature in a mere 10 years or so. Looking at the data, we might be in the first 2 or 3 years of a dramatic drop then again maybe not. I for one am paying attention.

43 posted on 06/15/2009 7:07:40 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

Getting back to your original point about sunspots, let’s say the Sun’s overall output is down 1% overall right now, across the spectrum, which is likely conservative. Space measurements have shown it’s down over 6% in some regions of the ultraviolet. Solar minimum conditions have already persisted much longer than usual, with no end in sight. It’s worth noting that it’s not known if there’s a solar link in the Ice Age cycles.

Without the Sun, the average Earth temperature would be about that of the cosmic background radiation, let’s say 5 deg. K. With the Sun, we attain a balmy average of around 300 deg. K. (give or take). So, out of that 295 deg range, a drop of one percent would be 2.95 deg K/C (5.3 deg F). Massively oversimplified, but it does illustrate that a 1% drop in solar output is of great concern.


44 posted on 06/15/2009 7:26:35 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: DustyMoment

Find no argument with your observations.

Only thing I see differently is it is getting to the point that it must happen, or a total collapse.

The best outcome is a rebellion at the State Level. Not individuals, not militias, not an armed insurrection. But the State Governments telling Washington, NO to overreaching.

Obozo does not have the authority under our Constitution to do most of what he has done. The Rino Pubbies have been totally silent about this. Some of them are in on this, Global Government betrayal.

We have no option but pursue it at the State Government level first. If all else fails, there are other more drastic options. They have not ignored the Guns and Ammo sales, this is not because the citizens are afraid they will be banned, it is preparing for the unthinkable. They know it.

Next Step is a “Huge Liberty Tea Party” on July 4th.

Defy the Media, Defy the National Government!

Obozo = Traitor-In-Chief


45 posted on 06/15/2009 7:54:48 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Hmmm, I've read .3% less energy from the spotless Sun. I think I will do some googling, lol.

As best I can tell no one knows what causes the Earth to go into an ice age. just that it appears to be a reliable cycle in the Earth's current configuration (7 continents, 5 oceans, etc). There are some interesting theories, nothing more.

Since we only have a few hundred years of recorded Sun measurements, a few thousand years indirect measurement (tree rings) and a few ten thousand years of far less reliable ice cores, it could very well be that the Sun cycle contains a long less energetic phase we have never seen before.

It is the short ten yearish transition from inter glacial to ice age that scars me. Of couse it wil take thousands of years for the ice to build up so people will have time to react to that. But that about the 10 to 15 degree F drop in temperature. Ten years might be to short a time to react to that.

I worry about this cause I live in conservative Texas and don't want a bunch of liberal yankees moving down here.

46 posted on 06/15/2009 7:55:32 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Texas Fossil

Sounds like we are pretty much on the same page. I hadn’t thought about rebellion at the state level, but that’s mostly because I see little to no difference between politicians at the state level, local level or the federal level. IMO, they’re all corrupt and their hearing only improves with the depth of a given constutents’ pockets.

Federal or state level, they all have the same stench to me. I am watching the Tea Parties closely to see if they begin to get the attention of the DBM. I know that zero and the Dems were concerned about the Tax Day protests despite trying to appear indifferent to them. Right now, this may be the next best option to out and out open reebellion in the street.


47 posted on 06/15/2009 10:22:34 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Rebellion in the street is not an option.

It would only be an option if the State participated.

The power center of the Nation MUST move from Washington DC if the nation is to survive.

That has to come from pressure on the State Government.

If we fail to do this we are condemmed subjection to the infinitely corrupt World Government, by non-believers.


48 posted on 06/15/2009 10:31:55 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: gridlock

Two things:

1) Until such time as President Obama nationalizes agriculture, “our” food production is only “ours” if you are directly involved in producing food.

2) Only the starch is removed from grains used as ethanol feedstock; all other nutirents remain.


49 posted on 06/15/2009 10:39:16 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
1) Until such time as President Obama nationalizes agriculture, “our” food production is only “ours” if you are directly involved in producing food.

The government is spending massive amounts of money to subsidize ethanol production. You can't take the money with one hand, and pound on the table about being private with the other.

If you want precision of language, how does "We should end all ethanol subsidies and let the market decide how to allocate food" sound?

50 posted on 06/15/2009 12:51:35 PM PDT by gridlock (L'Etat, c'est Barack...)
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