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George Will Tells Dirty Little Secrets of Universal Healthcare
NewsBusters ^ | June 14, 2009 | Noel Sheppard

Posted on 06/15/2009 6:02:45 AM PDT by Scanian

As President Obama tours the country advancing his universal healthcare initiative, there are some dirty little secrets that he and his minions in the media don't want Americans to know.

On Sunday, George Will during the panel discussion on ABC's "This Week," exposed some inconvenient truths about this controverial subject that would likely change much of the public's view if they were regularly made aware of them.

After host George Stephanopoulos opened the roundtable segment, Will marvelously cut to the chase:

GEORGE WILL, ABC NEWS ANALYST: [T] this is now a single issue argument about whether or not we’re on a slippery slope to a single-payer system. That is, it’s about the so-called public option. And the president has said, “If you are starting from scratch” -- he said this very recently -- he would go to a single payer. That is, government as the single provider of health care.

Now, there are four arguments for the public option. One is, in the president’s words, it will keep them honest. To try to preserve the government as a lagoon of honesty, you can argue, refuted by anybody who reads any budget of any administration.

Bullseye, for all one need do is look at the totally absurd economic assumptions in Obama's 2010 budget, and one would have to agree with Will. But I digress:

WILL: Second, he says, it will play by the same rules as the private insurers, and therefore, won’t drive them out of business. If you play by the same rules, as you said to the secretary, what’s the point?

Exactly. If the rules of the private insurers are sound enough to be adopted by government, why change things?

WILL: Third, it’s necessary to give what Secretary Sebelius said a choice to the consumers.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: georgewill; thisweek; will

1 posted on 06/15/2009 6:02:45 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Bump for later reading.


2 posted on 06/15/2009 6:05:42 AM PDT by Pablo64 (Political Correctness is a DISEASE. <==> TRUTH is the CURE.)
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To: Scanian

I have a question?

If health care is too expensive, why would health care ‘reform’ *increase* the cost?


3 posted on 06/15/2009 6:06:42 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Scanian

After listening to this I am convinced that health care will suffer like the mortgage companies did.

Obama said that he does not want coverage denied? It reminds me of the same cries about Loans being denied.


4 posted on 06/15/2009 6:11:35 AM PDT by Loud Mime (I've lost count: how many jobs has the bailout saved again?)
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To: GourmetDan

Is there anything besides the military where government is better or less costly than the private sector?

Most of the cost savings being proposed are just cuts to service.


5 posted on 06/15/2009 6:14:05 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: GourmetDan

Reform = increase.

Its all about the kickbacks to the politician’s cronies.

Gonna need whole new beaurocracy, buildings, cars, staff.
Gonna need new computer systems and applications.

Don’t worry, they will end up reducing costs. They will put a gun to doctor’s heads and say, accept this $200 for this procedure. Then HMO’s will say to doctor’s, hey, you took $200 from the government, but charge us $1500 - lower your cost. And then, health care quality will be forced to be reduced. If you have 1 doctor on staff per hospital now, then you will have 1 per county.


6 posted on 06/15/2009 6:15:47 AM PDT by jstassis
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To: GourmetDan
During WWII rationing, wage, and price controls were government enactments for the war effort! Companies weren't able to compensate workers for their efforts so they developed health care benefits as another means of compensation.

when Medicare was enacted health expenses were a part of the compensation package but since then those expenses have increased 4 fold. why is it that whenever government gets involved prices go up?

Our founders recognized that there was certain areas where government should be involved but the economy was not the place. Prohibition is a perfect example of social engineering. Al Capone and the Chicago Gangs, (including Obama) prospered but it took Elliot Ness to fix things!

7 posted on 06/15/2009 6:18:15 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Loud Mime

Assembly line medicine....everyone gets 2 aspirin and a “call me next year” prescription....for all diseases.....and the gubmint can tout treatment for all...with a dramitically reduced cost.


8 posted on 06/15/2009 6:21:37 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Scanian

Once again, Will distills the argument to the meat and potatoes, and exposes the government position for the sham that it truly is.


9 posted on 06/15/2009 6:24:01 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: cbkaty

It’s “more cost effective” to treat 400 people with headaches than one person with a defective heart valve.


10 posted on 06/15/2009 6:24:16 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Scanian

Will’s a wee bit off. There’s not as much choice as he thinks. You get what you employer gives you. Of course, you can opt out and pay twice as much on your own.

Speaking of employers, they’ll be dropping healthcare benefits faster than you can measure if there’s a public option.


11 posted on 06/15/2009 6:26:00 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: GourmetDan

Question to you. Do you think government intervention causes the price of anything to decrease?

Govt. regulation always adds cost. In this case, govt. becoming even more involved in healthcare automatically adds costs for everyone. And by also being the entity that makes the rules by which the game is played, they can manipulate regulations causing the private sector to jump through so many hoops, costs fly out the window.

So not only will private insurers have to deal with the research and development costs inherent in healthcare, they will also have to deal with govt. regulation and manipulation costs.

Now cost is only secondary to the problem that once govt. enters an arena it does not leave. Govt. grows it does not shrink unless we shrink it. Think about the Dept. of Education if you need an example. Now don’t tell me they are doing a better job with less money. Private schools and especially homeschools educate far better with much less money. But you’ll never get them to admit that helping private entities is better than continuing to fund public schools. It will be the same way with health care.

We need less govt. mishandling not more.


12 posted on 06/15/2009 6:27:16 AM PDT by Waryone (If the democrats paid taxes like the rest of us, the United States wouldn't have a deficit.)
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To: Loud Mime

Bingo!

If this atrocity passes, we’re going to see a healthcare bubble, another boom-and-bust within a decade.

Regarding the 1300 insurance providers that Will spoke of...the argument that the government is going to be “just another alternative” is ludicrous...since when does a solitary player get to set the rules of the game?

Those of us with half a brain know that this will go the way of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in that the federally-subsidized healthcare provider will make it so hard for the private sector to compete. Then the troubled providers will have to be “bailed out” and the insured will be transferred to the government plan.

Expect it to go they way of the mortgage crisis or the automakers.

And that’s exactly what they want.


13 posted on 06/15/2009 6:30:44 AM PDT by Zeppelin
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To: Loud Mime
Obama said that he does not want coverage denied?

Then pay for it.

With money.

REAL money.

14 posted on 06/15/2009 6:32:13 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Pas d'ennmis a droit)
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To: GourmetDan

I’ve see your/this comment on other threads IIRC - I think I understand what you’re saying now...

if the problem is that it is too expensive, a reform intending to address that problem should not be more expensive.

that is so true - but i think by “reform” he is not attempting to address the cost problem he describes as what necessitates “reform”. Classic lib tactic.


15 posted on 06/15/2009 6:33:09 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: Zeppelin

The first act of any health care reform is to stop the abusive lawsuits. Second, lower the numbers of people who take profits from services provided; you have a doctor and patient....then you have twenty administrators.


16 posted on 06/15/2009 6:35:10 AM PDT by Loud Mime (I've lost count: how many jobs has the bailout saved again?)
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To: Scanian

800 lb gorilla no one wants to talk about - this is all about the “undocumented workers”.

From the government’s point of view - need to quickly treat these people good, then give them amnesty, coming soon. That will make room for the next 50 million guests. This will provide the “growth” that everyone is waiting for. More folks to buy from walmart, more folks to buy cell phones, more need for big government. Good times. Let the little people pay the tax burden.


17 posted on 06/15/2009 6:39:33 AM PDT by jstassis
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To: jstassis

They will drive doctors out of the profession. Not many will take out loans and go thru all the training to be a doctor if the end result is that they are expected to work for street cleaner wages...


18 posted on 06/15/2009 6:43:23 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

That is correct. 150K in loans ater 12 years of studying. Gotta keep recertifying and taking courses forever. Gotta watch your back with the lawyers. Gotta look out for getting sprayed with HIV blood. Forget it.

No worries - government always has the answer - free tuition for minority medical students which will swear on a stack of bibles to become general practitioners or abortion doctors.

This topic is pissing me off....


19 posted on 06/15/2009 6:47:48 AM PDT by jstassis
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To: Mr Rogers
They will drive doctors out of the profession.

Go to the head of the class....the next step will be PAs or (physicians assistants), then RNs (registered nurses), then LVNs (licensed vocasional nurses), then AAB (any able body) to treat the masses....waiting rooms will be DMV take a number style....

20 posted on 06/15/2009 6:51:30 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Scanian
Regardless of what George Will says, he is basically a dirty Democrat IMHO. Put George in with David Brooks, Peggy Noonan,Joe Scarborough, Tucker Carlson,Chris Buckley, Kathleen Parker and yes even Charles Krauthammer.

You know what all these people have in common? They despise Sarah Palin. They also all had a hand in getting Barry elected.

21 posted on 06/15/2009 6:55:45 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( Yes I Love Sarah Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: PubliusMM
Will and all of the rest miss the big problem with this whole concept, any government run option will lead to a single payer plan for all Americans.

Insurance costs are based on the law of probabilities. They decrease the costs of coverage to the individual by distributing the risk to a pool of people. With a "free" to the individual system businesses will begin to move away from providing coverage at their expense...they would be stupid not to. The net result from this is to reduce the "risk-pool" available to the insurance companies and force them to raise premiums further.

This is a self-perpetuating process that will eventually force everyone who is not wealthy into a government run program. The process is inevitable with a government run alternative and I believe it is the intent behind this "option" being offered by Obama and the Dems.

The claim from Obama and his minions that, "Everyone who is happy with the plan they have will be able to keep that plan," is a flat out lie.

Obama Care Will Lead to Socialized Medicine
22 posted on 06/15/2009 6:59:03 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Liz Cheney for President!.)
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To: jstassis
Sweet Home Chicago

Big Guy is pretty excited that we'll be getting to go home to Chicago next week for a speech on his health care reform plan. We'll be speaking at the American Medical Association there.

It might seem like the wrong forum for Big Guy to talk about how under our health care plan we're essentially going to take money out of the pockets of doctors and make them work for free, but that's overlooking two facts. This is Big Guy. And we're doing it in Chicago. As Toes says: the doctors will like it ... or they can practice medicine at the bottom of Lake Michigan and see how well that billing system works for them.

From http://baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com/

23 posted on 06/15/2009 7:03:09 AM PDT by Osage Orange (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. - Will Rodgers)
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...


Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

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24 posted on 06/15/2009 7:31:02 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Scanian
The major problem, which the Dems know and exploit but keep silent about the real intentions, is that a very large percentage of people who vote for Dems are not very bright. They don't know how to operate in a system, free-market capitalism, that demands the client pay attention. Most Dems are incapable of paying attention.

As talk show host Mike McConnell has pointed out, the reason why libs don't listen to lib talk radio has nothing to do with there being other lib outlets in Big Media. It's basically because liberals are mostly apathetic slugs who don't care much about anything except what is government (the American tax-payer) going to do for them. Studies have proven that conservatives pay attention. Libs don't.

25 posted on 06/15/2009 12:15:47 PM PDT by driftless2 (four)
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