Skip to comments.Iranian Pro-Reform Marchers Flood Tehran Streets
Posted on 06/15/2009 8:43:43 AM PDT by Scythian
Tens of thousands of Iranians took to the streets of Tehran Monday, defying a country-wide crackdown with protests against the hotly-disputed results of last week's hotly-disputed presidential election.
Chanting crowds, some wearing green campaign colors, greeted Mir Hossein Mousavi, the defeated candidate in Friday's election, as he slowly moved through the streets on the back of a car.
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Another Tiananmen massacre is just around the corner.
I was just thinking...get the angle just right and you could pop both of those trike-riders with a single shot.
Romanian uprising would have been impossible without its army siding with protesters. Islamic Revolution in Iran would have been impossible without U.S. gov headed by Carter forced Shah to leave Iran.
This is just awesome, Ahmadinejad must be crapping his pants and now he knows we know his support and control is not what we thought it was, oh man if they tear that country apart and go for a pro-western government that would be awesome, I know alot of the younger folks are sick of all this crap and hatred ...
Somehow I seem to remember that the Shah was outside the country seeking medical treatment when he finally lost his grip on power....
The students and the urban elite may be sick of the theocracy...but as long as the Mullahs & The Nutjob have the army..they ain’t goin anywhere.
This reform movement i.e. “counter-revolution” will be crushed .....just like the last time.
This is like the berlin wall, if we are diligent.
> Another Tiananmen massacre is just around the corner.
I don’t think so. The culture and temperament of the people of Iran are a great deal different than China, the Iranians are armed with technology and knowledge. They have also in recent memory overthrown their government before. From the reports, they are building rappor with the police.
Finally, if 60% of your populace decides it has had enough, it is going to be near impossible for them to kill or imprison them all.
God bless the people of Iran!
The Mullahs will have to be gone before any true reform can happen in Iran.
if this continues to build steam and the Iranian regime sees itself losing its grip got to watch out for them provoking a military conflict with either U.S. or Israel to unify the population
I doubt it will be a “pro-western” government. I’m not sure what it will be. It depends on how far this “revolution” goes. They need to dump the mad mullahs and have an elected secular government, and tell the mullahs to stick to the mosques.
What they may wind up with may be just as virulently anti-American as the current regime. However, the important thing is that Iran get whatever government it’s people want.
This is all very interesting but I dont understand what difference it makes to us. THe difference between Imanutjob and his opponent are about as much as Obama and Barney Frank.
defying a country-wide crackdown
Hey, Jimmuh !!!!
Does that sound like democracy to you ???
Where’s the 1st Amendment rights for the populus ???
After all Iran is SOOOOOOO much better than the US...
Their Constitution just HAS to be top notch...
“Another Tiananmen massacre is just around the corner.”
Unfortunately, you may be right...
He was forced out by Jimmah. Well known fact at the time that Jimmah pulled the props out from under the Shah. To this day I have RATS tell me "Well the Shah just treated his people so terrible that he had to do it".
Of course, under the Shah, women were treated as equals. The country was fairly modern. The aftermath of the Carter debacle was to allow radical Islam to finally get a foothold in a large country. We have seen what that has led to. Yeah, we had some stuff with the Islamists before, but Carter allowed the flood gates of terror to open. President Reagan stopped them for a time with his bombing of Libya. But when Clinton came in they were emboldened. W got serious and kept them at bay after 911, but now weakness is upon us again.
Keep it going! Iran Azadi!
>> the difference between Imanutjob and his opponent are about as much as Obama and Barney Frank <<
The people in the streets obviously don’t agree with you.
But even if they’re wrong and you’re right, it would be a matter of HUGE significance if the “street” should force the mullahs to overturn the official election verdict.
Such an event would give increased energy to the democracy movement and would probably cause the government to come apart at the seams — with some mullahs and some Rev Guards supporting one faction, some supporting another. At that point, full-scale civil war is a distinct possibility.
The PROBLEM...is the mad mullahs that actually run Iran, and THEY control the military.
I WANT to encourage the Iranian people to fight for their freedom, but let's be realistic: Ahmadinejad was supposed to be a "moderate" too.
Let's pray for the safety of those kids in the streets.
> if this continues to build steam and the Iranian regime sees itself losing its grip got to watch out for them provoking a military conflict with either U.S. or Israel to unify the population
And divert the military from controlling the streets? I doubt it.
I think virulently anti-American as well, but it's probably irrelevant since these massive street protests will die out and be as quickly forgotten as the short discussion of whether Nancy Pelosi will lose the speaker's seat over the CIA waterboarding debacle.
I've watched two movies recently about Iran -- 'The Queen And I', a documentary of Queen Farah living in exile filmed by a pro-Communist expat living in Sweden, and another German film 'Letters To The President' about the cult of personality around Ahmadinejad.
The movies show that Iranians of all types are completely screwed up ideologically. Everyone's an extremist, even the 'moderates'. They've got no sense of proportion because they've never been tranquil, secure, had liberty, or lived without fear of the monarchy, mullahs, communists, or whomever is in charge at the present. Everyone is a political nutburger of some stripe.
Even if Ahmadinejad goes, and I contend that he won't, whoever replaces him will likewise be some virulently anti-Western/anti-USA incompetent screwball.
The why did the Army, this past weekend, declare it's “neutrality”, which is widely seen as an invitation to revolution?
No, if the army decides it's had enough of seeing imported Hezbollah militants killing and running roughshod over it's own people, you'll see that the mullahs won't be able to get out of the country fast enough.
>> And divert the military from controlling the streets? I doubt it. <<
I don’t think the Army is on the streets. There was a supposed statement yesterday from the Army that they wouldn’t attack their country’s own citizens. Such “neutrality” could be the deciding factor as to whether the mullahs can be overthrown.
On the other hand, the police and the Revolutionary Guards are separate organizations from the Army. So the key to the mullahs’ survival may be whether the cops and the RG have the necessary weaponry and determination to suppress the popular movement. Only time will tell.
This illustrates an important difference between here and there. In America, millions of us are armed, and a sizeable minority are experts at using those arms. If we had this sort of attack by government against its citizens, the attackers would soon be dead.
“Another Tiananmen massacre is just around the corner.”
Exactly what I thought. A blood bath is headed their way. Truly sorrowful.
When it gets to that point I will think this may make a difference to us. Until then it's just one hostile regime in danger of being replaced by another.
Like OHBWAMA those marchers don’t accept the rule of democracy....when they lose!
Just like JFK and RFK with Bay of Pigs, and Clinton with Mogadishu "Black Hawk Down" without any support or backing, so is with Tehran... "Obama lied - people died"
“The people of IRAN”?
To my knowledge they voted Ahmadinejad and many are bigot antisemitic muslims ....
i HAVE NO OTHER INFO
> i HAVE NO OTHER INFO
Well, that says it all.
Open your eyes about what is happening now.
I doubt it will be a pro-western government. Im not sure what it will be.
perhaps a military dictatorship??
This dictatorship may be anti-western and Islamic but not suicidal like the mullahs.
It may not be pro western but the people have been simmering for years with an underground pro-democratic movement.
I pray that this is the birth of that movement finally coming out into the open.
The army has declared its neutrality in this.
It all depends upon who ends up in charge. There are a lot of factions there.
Isn’t it time for Obama to give another speech?
You are right. This revolution has momentum. They need to go for everything. Away with Khamenei. No half-a**ed deal.
There will no doubt be a transitional phase of old regime reformers like Musavi and Khatami. But they know that they depend on the will of the people. If they can’t deliver the opening up of the country, they will be dumped. If this rebellion against the radicals has indeed success, the people won’t accept next time an election with chosen candidates. The genie once out of the bottle won’t go back.
See my post above. This isn’t about Musavi. Musavi is only short-term. If they succeed (far from granted) in ousting Ahmadinejad, they will go after Khamenei. Musavi will have to respond to their will, and this means opening the country, improving the economy, relations with the outside and no wars.
The people protesting are tired of wars. Iran had the 8 year Iran-Iraq war and a Government depending on the support of these people won’t be able to continue the warmongering politics any longer.
What I am afraid of his a lame deal between Musavi and Khamenei. He may decide to dump Ahmadinejad but to save his ass. I hope the people won’t fall for lame compromises.
Mousavi is the “Kerensky”, a transitional figure.
So you think Ahmadinejad is just fine and won free and fairly? Sheesh!!!