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Did Ribonucleoproteins Spark Life?
ICR ^ | June 15, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 06/15/2009 11:43:12 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Despite “decades of persistent failure to create life by the ‘spark in the soup’ method,”[1] evolutionary biochemists are still trying to find an exclusively naturalistic explanation for how the first cell developed. Many possible chemical precursors to life have been systematically ruled out by rigorous experiments. What they have found is that the molecules necessary for life are found exclusively within cells that are already living.

One explanation proposed by evolutionists...

(Excerpt) Read more at icr.org ...


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1 posted on 06/15/2009 11:43:14 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

ping!


2 posted on 06/15/2009 11:45:36 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Well, they are known as the party proteins...;-)


3 posted on 06/15/2009 11:47:27 AM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: GodGunsGuts

After millions of man hours of intense research over the last 50 years, by some of the greatest minds science has to offer, in the best universities and research facilities throughout the world, we have been able to produce this very primitive self-replicating molecule, proving once and for all that no “intelligent design” was necessary to create life.


4 posted on 06/15/2009 11:50:05 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"What they have found is that the molecules necessary for life are found exclusively within cells that are already living."

Whodda thunkit!

5 posted on 06/15/2009 11:50:52 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts
What they have found is that the molecules necessary for life are found exclusively within cells that are already living.

That sounds materialist to me. If I were a Creationist, I wouldn't trust it.

6 posted on 06/15/2009 11:52:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Westbrook

Yep, that is their insane dream.

But it still would go nowhere.


7 posted on 06/15/2009 11:52:53 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

> Yep, that is their insane dream.
>
> But it still would go nowhere.

You missed the sarcasm in my post.

All those scientific minds, all those man hours of intense research, all those gleaming expensive lab facilities, and they want to say that no intelligence was necessary.

Don’t you see the irony?

The very act of applying intelligence and intelligent design to create life refutes their motivational premise.


8 posted on 06/15/2009 11:56:59 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Westbrook

Do they even have two synapse to make a spark of a actual thought??


9 posted on 06/15/2009 11:59:46 AM PDT by handy old one (It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims. Aristote)
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To: Westbrook

No, I got it. (but they keep telling us that they are bringing us “modern miracles”)


10 posted on 06/15/2009 12:07:55 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.


11 posted on 06/15/2009 12:10:26 PM PDT by Red Badger (Inquiring minds want to know, but American Idol minds could care less...)
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To: Red Badger

bttt


12 posted on 06/15/2009 12:12:16 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: GodGunsGuts

No worries, mate. You see, we’ve spent billions to send these rovers to Mars and they are going to find life any moment now.

It’s just around that rock over there.

I’m sure of it.


13 posted on 06/15/2009 12:17:11 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: editor-surveyor

> No, I got it. (but they keep telling us that they are
> bringing us “modern miracles”)

They believe the lie, “Ye shall be as gods ...”

Too bad they will all have to eventually die and learn the Truth the hard way.


14 posted on 06/15/2009 12:24:55 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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amazingly, no matter how many times God’s creation confounds them, they still resort to more ‘hand waving’ and ‘just so’ stories of mythical pre biotic this, and mysterious ‘soups’ that happen to contain the possibly necessary components despite the fact that those components cant possibly exist outside the rna they are supposed to be interacting with...

i love it....


15 posted on 06/15/2009 12:30:51 PM PDT by raygunfan
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To: GodGunsGuts
What they have found is that the molecules necessary for life are found exclusively within cells that are already living.


16 posted on 06/15/2009 12:56:01 PM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: GodGunsGuts
Did Ribonucleoproteins Spark Life?

The short answer.

No.

17 posted on 06/15/2009 1:27:10 PM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (Time to dig out the pitchforks and torches...............)
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To: Westbrook

“we have been able to produce this very primitive self-replicating molecule”

Do you have a feference for this?


18 posted on 06/15/2009 1:33:19 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

BTTT for later.


19 posted on 06/15/2009 1:34:03 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: editor-surveyor

“What they have found is that the molecules necessary for life are found exclusively within cells that are already living.”

Exclusively?

From “Darwin’s Ghost” by Steve Jones, I have ... (on page 208) ...

“A few discoveries from an unknown land prove that biology’s supposed preface, the Cambrian, is in fact well into its plot. So deficient was the evidence of earlier times that nobody guessed it was there. Single-celled creatures stretch back even further. The balance of isotopes in carbon trapped in Greenland rocks three thousand eight hundred million years old resembles that of the modern bacteria that live on methane. They evolved when earth was in its infancy and show that it took several times longer to develop a cell with a nucleus than it did for life to appear. Chemistry hints three billion year’s worth of fossils older than the Chinese seaweed are waiting to be discovered.”


20 posted on 06/15/2009 1:47:06 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Brian Thomas *MS......doesn’t know that the “spark in the soup” experiment was not designed to “create” life”? Of course, I presume he’d be referring to the Miller-Urey experiment.

I’m SHOCKED that Brian Thomas *MS doesn’t know what he’s talking about....yet again.

The “spark to soup” experiment of 60+ years ago was designed to synthesize organic material from inorganic material....to create amino acids....the building blocks of life.....nothing more.


21 posted on 06/15/2009 1:52:41 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: Westbrook; editor-surveyor; GodGunsGuts

“Don’t you see the irony?
The very act of applying intelligence and intelligent design to create life refutes their motivational premise.”

—What do you think their motivational premise is? I think it’s just that life originated from natural causes. Attempting to recreate natural environments in labs and seeing what happens, doesn’t mean that whatever occurs requires intelligence. Of course it required intelligence to create the conditions, but what happens after that is up to nature.

We still don’t have it down quite pat on how snowflakes form. Every couple years I read another story on a “breakthrough” in figuring out how snowflakes form and we get better and better at creating snowflakes that appear like those in nature.

I suppose someone who believes that some intelligent beings are floating on clouds carving out snowflakes might look at the millions of dollars of lab equipment and some of our best minds spending years attempting to find out how such things form “naturally” and say “how ironic”.

And of course any such success in creating snowflakes just proves the fact that it requires intelligence to create snowflakes! :-)


22 posted on 06/15/2009 2:49:50 PM PDT by goodusername
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To: goodusername; Westbrook; GodGunsGuts
"Attempting to recreate natural environments in labs and seeing what happens, doesn’t mean that whatever occurs requires intelligence."

I think that you're deceiving yourself.

You are seeing that biologists are attempting to find something short of life that could more likely result in life than a random selection of substances might, but when you use the term "recreate" you are taking a huge leap in assuming that such a complex reaction could have taken place without intelligent interdiction.

You likely would object to the well known tornado, junkyard, 747 in flight analogy, yet such an occurance would be vastly less improbable than life occuring by random accident. The simplest eye on Earth is more complex than any jet aircraft.

23 posted on 06/15/2009 3:17:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: OldNavyVet

From http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_cell_with_a_well_defined_nucleus_called

We have ...

“Cells with well defined nuclei are called eukaryotic. Eukaryotes include yeast, plants, and animals. Bacteria on the other hand do not have nuclei and are called prokaryotes. Interestingly, there is one very notable exception. Mammals are of course eukaroyotes, however one very specific type of cell, the red blood cell, does not have a nucleus.”


24 posted on 06/15/2009 3:19:54 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (It is man's reason that lifts him to the stars)
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To: OldNavyVet

Lots of credulity and faith there, but no science is showing its head.


25 posted on 06/15/2009 3:22:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

“no science is showing”

Per Webster ..

” science 1. orig., the state or fact of knowing; knowledge 2. systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, and experimentation carried on in order to determine the nature of principles of what is being studied. 3. a branch of knowledge or study, esp. one concerned with esablishing and systematizing facts, principles and methods as by experiments and hypotheses. 4. “ ... and etc ...


26 posted on 06/15/2009 3:41:56 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (It is man's reason that lifts him to the stars.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Exactly, no “science” (by any definition)


27 posted on 06/15/2009 4:16:34 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

My book on evolutions was written by Steve Jones – his credentials can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jones_(biologist) — and his 377 page “Darwin’s Ghost, The Origin of Species Updated” has eight pages dedicated to scientific references.

Call it what you wish, but that’s science to me.


28 posted on 06/15/2009 5:55:44 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: OldNavyVet

Your standards for “science” are incredibly low.


29 posted on 06/15/2009 5:58:40 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

You’ll have to add the last symbol of the link ... Something in FR software cuts it out


30 posted on 06/15/2009 5:58:49 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (The essence of evil lies in the irrational.)
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To: goodusername

> And of course any such success in creating snowflakes
> just proves the fact that it requires intelligence to
> create snowflakes! :-)

As a matter of fact, it does. Water does what it does by design. Snowflakes, and their glorious beauty and astonishing uniqueness, are not accidental. When I was an evolutionist, I believed these were accidental. I don’t anymore.

Water, when it freezes, crystalizes and expands. In so doing, it becomes lighter than liquid water and displaces its weight in liquid water without sinking. If this were not so, life as we know it on earth would be impossible.

I highly recommend the Moody Science Series.

http://www.amazon.com/Moody-Science-Classics-19-DVD-Set/dp/B000V73BBM

You don’t have to buy the whole set at once, as all 19 DVDs is very expensive. I picked them up for a bargain at $100, but I forget now where I got them.

These are as entertaining as they are informative.

You may not like their point of view, but you won’t be able to fault their science.


31 posted on 06/15/2009 6:19:42 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


32 posted on 06/15/2009 8:51:21 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: GodGunsGuts

Placemarker to read with my morning coffee.


33 posted on 06/15/2009 8:53:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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