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Evolution Was the Key in Joseph Campbell’s Loss of Faith
Uncommon Descent ^ | June 13, 2009 | William Dembski

Posted on 06/16/2009 9:48:01 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Joseph Campbell died in 1987 but remains influential. In this revealing video, Campbell clarifies why he left the Roman Catholic faith of his youth — EVOLUTION...

(Excerpt) Read more at uncommondescent.com ...


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KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; catholic; christian; creation; cretinism; evolution; goodgodimnutz; intelligentdesign; judaism; moralabsolutes; pseudoscience; science

1 posted on 06/16/2009 9:48:02 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

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2 posted on 06/16/2009 9:48:27 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


3 posted on 06/16/2009 9:54:05 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Too bad. The more I have studied evolution, the more I have confidence in my faith as a Christian.


4 posted on 06/16/2009 9:54:15 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: GodGunsGuts

Evolution needs to be re-named.

Since Darwin lived so long ago in the 1800s, I propose a new term, something that will point out the archaic misunderstandings of Darwin, combined with a linguistic remnant of another discredited ‘theory’.

I propose:

“Steampunk Spon-Gen”

= short for “Steampunk Spontaneous Generation”.

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5 posted on 06/16/2009 9:56:29 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

evolutionism is evil, plain and simple.


6 posted on 06/16/2009 9:56:47 AM PDT by raygunfan
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To: GodGunsGuts

It was obvious Joseph Campbell had very little belief in anything.

His “Power of Myth” that PBS ran over and over again was nothing but blind philosophy.

Small wonder PBS was in the tank for zerO.

And the irony isn’t lost when Charlie Gibson (reportedly) said he’d never heard of the word “Laodicea” either.


7 posted on 06/16/2009 10:00:50 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You have a problem when you bring up Campbell because to him the power of the Shaman’s myth(or any myth) was just as powerful as the Christian myth.


8 posted on 06/16/2009 10:11:36 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: GodGunsGuts

Since when did Catholics take the Bible literately?

I wonder what dioceses he was attending.


10 posted on 06/16/2009 10:15:17 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The “faith of Christ” is a gift God imputes to his people. If he was relying on some sort of other faith that he ginned up on his own, it would only be a matter of time until he could no longer sustain it.


11 posted on 06/16/2009 10:18:27 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamunists are nihilists)
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To: F15Eagle

I don’t know about PBS but Bill Moyer’s career was close to over when he stumbled onto Campbell and made a ton of money plus revitalizing his career.


12 posted on 06/16/2009 10:18:29 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: GodGunsGuts
Joseph Campbell died in 1987 but remains influential. In this revealing video, Campbell clarifies why he left the Roman Catholic faith of his youth — EVOLUTION...

Too bad he didn't live long enough to see the Catholic church change its attitude toward evolutionary theory.

13 posted on 06/16/2009 10:22:57 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Evolution Was the Key in Joseph Campbell’s Loss of Faith

OTOH, the outright ignorance of Young Earth Creationists has been the cause of the loss of faith by many others.

14 posted on 06/16/2009 10:24:27 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

I thought Campbell had a very thilly thpeaking voith. Not unlike the actor Ed Wynn’s “Perfect Fool.” How apt.


15 posted on 06/16/2009 10:35:06 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Ben Ficklin

Yep. Moyer was just as blind. And no doubt made a lot of money selling the nothingness of Joseph Cambell’s road to nowhere.

Moyer acted as if he learned some startling new revelation. In fact it’s an old lie, but being reborn in our day in another form, called “all roads”.


16 posted on 06/16/2009 10:43:16 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: GodGunsGuts

More nonsense from SpamSpamSpam. The Catholic Church does not follow his anti-intellectual “lead” and has no problem with the scientific evidence for biological evolution — the Church concerns itself with the “ought” issues which are at right angles to the “is” issues settled by scientific inquiry.


17 posted on 06/16/2009 10:52:01 AM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: raygunfan

Evoluation isn’t evil.


18 posted on 06/16/2009 10:54:45 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Cronyism, Protectionism, Socialism, Obamunism)
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To: ShandaLear

And neither is evolution.

I am a Christian and I loved Joseph Campbell. His insights into how mythology informs modern culture are amazing. Even if he himself lost his faith along the way, his ideas support the notion that there is truth to be found in all religions.


19 posted on 06/16/2009 10:58:53 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Cronyism, Protectionism, Socialism, Obamunism)
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To: ShandaLear
I'm a Christian ----- his ideas support the notion that there is truth to be found in all religions.

Your Bible says quite differently. John 3:17-18, John 14:6. Christ didn't come to be one among many.

You can find a minor truth, perhaps, in mad mo's various rants. It will come to naught, in eternity.
20 posted on 06/16/2009 11:13:26 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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21 posted on 06/16/2009 11:15:44 AM PDT by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: Rebel_Ace

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22 posted on 06/16/2009 11:21:39 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: ShandaLear

I don’t know who Joseph Campbell is but no Catholic loses his faith because of evolution. It doesn’t even make any sense. That said the idea that all religions have some truth in them is very Catholic.


23 posted on 06/16/2009 11:30:09 AM PDT by Varda
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To: GodGunsGuts
When I first listened to an interview with Cambell about his consulting work on the ‘Star Wars’ movie I thought his philosophy was a half-baked version of Jung. I was right.

Toss in some religious background and he becomes an atheist that thinks Christianity useful, even ‘beautiful’ but myth.

24 posted on 06/16/2009 12:20:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Varda
"I don’t know who Joseph Campbell is but no Catholic loses his faith because of evolution. It doesn’t even make any sense."

I disagree, Human Evolution clearly states that the Genesis creation story is inaccurate and false. That would be devastating to a great number of people. Now what Evolution are we talking about because Evolutionist love to weasel around what Evolution is? If it is used to show how all species came from one, then of course one would lose their faith in God. How could someone believe such ridiculous, unscientific, word vomit as this Evolution and God at the same time. It's like telling your kids Santa isn't real, then put them to bed and wait for him to come out of the chimney. God is real or He isn't. If He said He created Humans without Evolution (as Genesis clearly states), then He did it. If you don't think He did, then why give a flip about anything else in the Bible?
25 posted on 06/16/2009 7:32:25 PM PDT by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Jaime2099

You post is a perfect example of why no Catholic loses his faith over evolution. It’s an interpretation of scripture that has no authority behind it except the person. Every Catholic does personal interpretation but every Catholic also acknowledges that the Magisterium has final say on how those passages are to be taken. So far the Magisterium has said evolution of life forms (whether started from one life or many)is not a problem for the faithful. The authoritative reading is that God started life (not how God started life).


26 posted on 06/17/2009 5:46:52 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Varda
"Every Catholic does personal interpretation but every Catholic also acknowledges that the Magisterium has final say on how those passages are to be taken."

So you're saying that Catholics are perfectly fine with whatever decision their leaders decide and it does not bother them in the least. I seriously doubt that. A five year old kid could read Genesis and know that Human Evolution is not possible if the words in the Bible are true.

The proof is his own words (and many others) who became atheists because of this make believe science. There is no evidence for Human Evolution, only a best guess using questionable fossils. The Bible has been around far longer than these crackpot Neo-Darwinists, I'll stick with it and I like my chances of being right.
27 posted on 06/17/2009 3:42:58 PM PDT by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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To: Jaime2099

I believe the Catholic church teaches that it is acceptable to believe Genesis is either actual fact or metaphorical. Leaving one to believe in evolution or not. Me? I believe it is literal.


28 posted on 06/17/2009 3:46:42 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Jaime2099
The teaching authority of the Church is for matters of faith and morals which scriptural interpretation is a part.

"A five year old kid could read Genesis and know that Human Evolution is not possible if the words in the Bible are true. "

A five year old would interpret according to the axioms of his own culture and the limits of his knowledge. The Church accepts plain sense readings of scripture but acknowledges that these may be faulty.

This is a good thread that explains the Catholic view on this, Adam, Eve, and Evolution.

29 posted on 06/18/2009 6:03:34 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Varda; Jaime2099
A five year old would interpret according to the axioms of his own culture and the limits of his knowledge.

Everyone interprets what he observes according to the axioms of his own culture and the limits of his knowledge.
30 posted on 06/18/2009 6:07:49 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

I actually had that written as part of my response but it is not precisely true. Some people have studied other cultures enough to be able to interpret differences in meaning. How educated their opinions are is certainly up for debate. Yet the Church recognizes that two cultures can say similar things and have very different meanings.

From the previous link-
“Pope Pius XII warned us, “What is the literal sense of a passage is not always as obvious in the speeches and writings of the ancient authors of the East, as it is in the works of our own time. For what they wished to express is not to be determined by the rules of grammar and philology alone, nor solely by the context; the interpreter must, as it were, go back wholly in spirit to those remote centuries of the East and with the aid of history, archaeology, ethnology, and other sciences, accurately determine what modes of writing, so to speak, the authors of that ancient period would be likely to use, and in fact did use. For the ancient peoples of the East, in order to express their ideas, did not always employ those forms or kinds of speech which we use today; but rather those used by the men of their times and countries. What those exactly were the commentator cannot determine as it were in advance, but only after a careful examination of the ancient literature of the East” (Divino Afflante Spiritu 35–36). “


31 posted on 06/18/2009 6:43:10 AM PDT by Varda
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s weird. He could have stayed RC and believed in evolution. You can believe in lots of things and be RC.

You just can’t believe in salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone to the glory of God alone, and in the sufficiency of Scripture alone.


32 posted on 06/18/2009 6:52:50 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Varda
I assume you take the stance of what the thread refers to as "(2)developmental creation or theistic evolution". What the thread does not explain is how the story of God creating Adam and then Eve from Adam is dismissed as the origin of life. I can understand how an atheistic scientist could just say there is no proof of that. But how can a Christian scientist or any Christian deny these words? Are you saying that humans evolved before Adam and God merely created Adam after he had already evolved Humans? How else could it have happened if you believe in the Bible?

Even with a five year old child's limited knowledge, it only requires the ability to read to understand the creation story in the Bible. God created Adam, no evolution mentioned. Very simple.
33 posted on 06/18/2009 3:54:37 PM PDT by Jaime2099 (Human Evolution and the God of the Bible are not compatible)
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