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Iranian Clerical Opposition Forming
The Washington Times ^ | June 16, 2009 | Jim Robbins

Posted on 06/16/2009 2:35:41 PM PDT by Abakumov

The uprising in Iran can only succeed if there are fundamental shifts within the clerical power structure that runs the country. There are now signs that an opposition group is crystallizing within the religious leadership.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abtahi; iran; iranuprising; iranviolence2009; khamenei; montazeri; mullahs; rafsanjani
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1 posted on 06/16/2009 2:35:42 PM PDT by Abakumov
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To: Abakumov

I wonder how much the youth of Iran, the Mossad, and the CIA is taking part in here? Look at the big picture...


2 posted on 06/16/2009 2:39:47 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (An oath to a liar is no oath at all)
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To: Abakumov

WOW.

This could be good.


3 posted on 06/16/2009 2:41:07 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: Abakumov

Is anyone finding or getting any tweets from the people in Iran? Any new news?


4 posted on 06/16/2009 2:42:22 PM PDT by fishergirl (My warrior, my soldier, my hero - my son. God bless our troops!)
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To: My Favorite Headache
and it will be, obozom to the rescue
5 posted on 06/16/2009 2:43:32 PM PDT by peace with honor
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To: Abakumov

Only through the removal of the insane mullahs can Iranians have a chance for freedom. Hopefully, this type of “CHANGE” can continue throughout the islamic world.


6 posted on 06/16/2009 2:43:47 PM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Abakumov

Abtahi, Rafsanjani, and Montazeri seem to be drifting apart from Khamenei & Nutjob. Good. A divided house cannot stand.


7 posted on 06/16/2009 2:44:14 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: TruthConquers
This could be good.

Or it could be very bad. There is no way things change without a lot of bloodshed. See average religious fanatic Islamic behavior.
8 posted on 06/16/2009 2:44:47 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: Abakumov

I sure hope some other countries are ready to help these people throw off the tyrannical shackles, because Obama isn’t going to do squat to help.


9 posted on 06/16/2009 2:46:09 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: ZX12R

That is true.

It is just that the majority of the Iranians are not interested with the mullahs being in power. They will not be going away from Islam, but do not want to be ruled by Islam. This is what I understand the people want.

But, this time of history may not be on the side of freedom...


10 posted on 06/16/2009 2:48:57 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: fishergirl

Twitter down for maintenance.


11 posted on 06/16/2009 2:50:05 PM PDT by freedompursuit (Meet the new President of Government Motors - Barack Camaro)
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To: Abakumov

The “clerics” don’t care who wins so long as they keep their power.


12 posted on 06/16/2009 2:50:33 PM PDT by angkor
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To: Abakumov
All these problems go back to Carter helping remove the Shaw to bring in the Muslim theocracy instead.

The guy is a walking curse IMO, even his habitats were falling down I read somewhere in the news.

13 posted on 06/16/2009 2:51:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: fishergirl

click here, take a look:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=iranelection


14 posted on 06/16/2009 2:52:54 PM PDT by angkor
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To: fishergirl

one more time:

http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23iranelection


15 posted on 06/16/2009 2:53:39 PM PDT by angkor
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To: A CA Guy

Was that George Bernard...?


16 posted on 06/16/2009 2:58:30 PM PDT by edpc (01010111 01010100 01000110 00111111)
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To: Abakumov
As long as the clerics...any clerics, reformed, moderate or otherwise, continue to rule Iran that country should be considered an enemy state. They haven't paid for 1979 yet and they owe.

Until it's proved not to be the case I'll see the mobs on Tehran's streets today in the same light as the mobs of 1979. They are no more our friends now than then. Polls consistently show strong support for Iran's nuclear policies and it's Anti-American, Anti-Israeli and pro terrorist policies.

17 posted on 06/16/2009 3:02:24 PM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: newfreep

Only through the removal of the insane mullahs can Iranians have a chance for freedom. Hopefully, this type of “CHANGE” can continue throughout the islamic world.

It would be nice, but the reality is prospects are slim to none. Dictatorships never go quietly, and never on the first volley. You can bet that the hardliners will squelch all open opposition. Look how many times Saddam Hussein did purges within his government to hold onto power. The same thing will happen with “I’m A Nut Job”.

This will force the opposition underground, where hopefully with covert support from the West, it can grow into an effective revolution the next time. To be successful, it will have to include the regular military and that will require real covert action from the CIA, Massod, etc.

Of course with 0zero not wanting to “interfere” in Iran, you can conclude that all that will happen is 0zero voting “present” which will dash any hope for any meaningful opposition groups growing. All democracy fighters in the future will only see 0zero throwing them under the bus. So all you will ever see is periodic riots that will be put down like this one was courtesy of 0zero.


18 posted on 06/16/2009 3:06:18 PM PDT by SDShack (Obamanomics = Economics + Moronics)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Can we pray for a fatwa against Khamenei & Amadenajad?


19 posted on 06/16/2009 3:06:39 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: angkor

Bingo. I see a bunch of black-robed fanatics watching all the protests and deciding its time to hedge their bets.


20 posted on 06/16/2009 3:14:28 PM PDT by Ronin (It will be helpful if Geithner can show us some arithmetic.)
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To: peace with honor

0bama will send in our military to help the status quo, not assist the uprising.


21 posted on 06/16/2009 3:16:52 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: TruthConquers
the majority of the Iranians are not interested with the mullahs being in power.

I don't think there's much evidence for this. It does seem likely that English speaking Iranians and students want more freedom from theocracy, but that is far from a majority of the country.

I think the mullahs could give them Mousavi as president tomorrow, and nothing of substance would change.

The only way there's a real revolution against the theo-facists is by arms and those would have to come from outside support.

It is a ripe situation for regime change in Iran, but Obama thinks he shouldn't "interfere".

22 posted on 06/16/2009 3:22:39 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

It does seem likely that English speaking Iranians and students want more freedom from theocracy, but that is far from a majority of the country.

Not true; 70% of the population is under age 30. It's the young people in the big cities who hate the mullahs.
23 posted on 06/16/2009 3:27:02 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: SDShack; All

“Hopefully, this type of “CHANGE” can continue throughout the islamic world.”

This was the vision of the Bush Admin, putting two democracies on either side of the main terrorist instigator for the past 30 years. Maybe its time for another carrier landing for W under the “Mission Accomplished” banner. God Bless Him. His reputation and character were sacrificed to lay the groundwork for freedom and stability in the middle east. Hopefully Obama’s outreach projects are too little too late.


24 posted on 06/16/2009 3:27:54 PM PDT by johncocktoasten (Obama/Biden '08, in and of itself, A Bridge To Nowhere)
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To: ZX12R
Or it could be very bad. There is no way things change without a lot of bloodshed. See average religious fanatic Islamic behavior.

Yes, sadly, you just know this isn't going to be without a lot of bloodshed.

It'll be interesting to watch Obama duck the issue for months more like he has the last few days.

25 posted on 06/16/2009 3:33:05 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: PapaBear3625; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2270252/posts?page=10#10
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2272960/posts?page=79#79


26 posted on 06/16/2009 3:45:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: SunkenCiv
[copied from another thread]

In the old Soviet Union, things were run by an inner circle of the Party called the Nomenklatura, who occupied the key positions, and retained for themselves a high standard of living relative to the rest of the USSR. Iran seems to have its own version, consisting of the upper clergy and the senior members of the Revolutionary Guard.

This unrest follows the collapse in oil prices from 12 months ago, which reduced oil revenues used to support the standard of living of the Iranian inner circle and the thugs they use to keep the rest in line. Faced with declining revenues, they have two main choices: reduce their standards of living, or trim the size of the privileged class. Either choice is likely to be unpalatable.

Mousavi seems to have wanted to trim the size of the control apparatus, disbanding the "morality police" and loosening restrictions (and thus the expense of maintaining the kind of internal force that would be needed to maintain it).

Ahmadinejad, OTOH, is in bed with the Revolutionary Guard and the Basij (who seem to be the ones performing the "morality police" function) and has their support. It could be we are seeing a situation where the Iranian security forces may want to reduce expenses by reducing the number of "inner circle" clerics.

27 posted on 06/16/2009 3:51:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: angkor
From your link:

RT CNN & BBC, We have NUMEROUS eye witness accounts that the Basij militia are ransacking the city of Tehran, where are you? #iranelection

2 minutes ago from Tweetie


28 posted on 06/16/2009 4:19:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: angkor
Another from tweeter:

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From Anonymous Doctor in Iran: 94 wounded persons were brought to the Hospital. 50 were shot and 9 of them died. #iranelection #gr88

5 minutes ago from web

Hir Matlewis

29 posted on 06/16/2009 4:23:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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RT Iran: Basiji militia ransacking Tehran homes http://bit.ly/MKzXX #Tehran #IRanElection #gr88

7 minutes ago from web

Mi Rez

30 posted on 06/16/2009 4:25:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: newfreep

Fake “CHANGE” as usual Mr.O !
Only fools can believe in being fooled again


31 posted on 06/16/2009 4:26:57 PM PDT by Ulysse
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RT @persiankiwi: unconfmd major incident at Azadi - shooting - fires - ppl running #Iranelection

1 minute ago from twhirl


32 posted on 06/16/2009 4:28:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: angkor
#iranelection #iran DO NOT Retweet ANY posts made by IRANIANS! This is for THEIR PROTECTION! This is -LIFE AND DEATH-.

1 minute ago from web

Adam Seale

33 posted on 06/16/2009 4:30:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: fishergirl
RT Iran: "Hossein Zaman singer and supporter of Mousavi got arrested." Also be aware lives at stake (no ID on RT helps) #gr88 #iranelection

3 minutes ago from web

Micah Francisco

34 posted on 06/16/2009 4:33:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: PapaBear3625

Apparently the mullah’s fear of Mousavi’s willingness to loosen the leash a bit on the population causing then end of their control caused them to insure that Ahmadinejad would win. Mousavi was vetted by the mullahs and is just a bit less vocal than Ahmadinejad in his dictatorial desires.


35 posted on 06/16/2009 4:33:56 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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RT from Iran new round of effort by Ministry of Intelligence&National Security to locate/arrest internet activists. #iranelection #iran9

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Bill Kohan

36 posted on 06/16/2009 4:36:23 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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RT from Iran: People of yoosefabad ignited big fires in almost every avenue to prevent tear gas & stop motorcycle police #IranElection

3 minutes ago from txt

Reem Sapp

37 posted on 06/16/2009 4:37:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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RT @oxfordgirl: Ppl shot in Isfahan (youtube) http://tr.im/oJal #gr88 #iranelection

5 minutes ago from TwitterFon


38 posted on 06/16/2009 4:39:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge; Marine_Uncle; SolidWood; Straight Vermonter; G8 Diplomat; Man50D; Abakumov; ...
Link to Youtube video from post #38 ....very disturbing:

Shooting in Iran

39 posted on 06/16/2009 4:43:33 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Most people in Iran don't know that the world is following them on twitter. When I tell them they are filled with joy and hope #Iranelection

less than 20 seconds ago from web


40 posted on 06/16/2009 4:45:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: D-fendr; G8 Diplomat

See link at #39.


41 posted on 06/16/2009 4:46:49 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: G8 Diplomat

Abtahi, Rafsanjani, and Montazeri, may soon find themselves out of jobs, and perhaps house arrest.


42 posted on 06/16/2009 4:49:09 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Obama must be making huge piles of cigarette butts around the WH grounds at this point.)
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To: Abakumov; My Favorite Headache; fishergirl
Related thread from yesterday:

Iran: There Will Be Blood

43 posted on 06/16/2009 4:50:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: A CA Guy
All these problems go back to Carter helping remove the Shaw to bring in the Muslim theocracy instead.

That would be "Shah".

44 posted on 06/16/2009 4:51:06 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: PapaBear3625

See updates...#39.


45 posted on 06/16/2009 4:51:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: A CA Guy

See updates..&..#39.


46 posted on 06/16/2009 4:52:18 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Abakumov
More:

#IranElection RT Iran: Terrorist govmn't assaulting college campuses http://bit.ly/zLMQ2 pics of bullet-sprayed doors. That ain't security

1 minute ago from web

Spence Stokell

47 posted on 06/16/2009 4:55:28 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Yes it is very disturbing. Mad Dog's henchmen are having a great time of it by all indications. Wonder how many more planes loaded with Hizbollah will be flown into the capital in the days to come.
Then again. They probably have sufficient numbers of radical Islamic goons to kill off half the Iranian population if need be.
48 posted on 06/16/2009 4:56:22 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Obama must be making huge piles of cigarette butts around the WH grounds at this point.)
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To: GreyFriar
Apparently the mullah’s fear of Mousavi’s willingness to loosen the leash a bit on the population causing then end of their control caused them to insure that Ahmadinejad would

Don't forget the close relationship the Iranians have with Putin's regime. Putin knows that Glasnost was the beginning of the end for the Soviet Empire. They can't give an inch or they will start an avalanche they can't control.

49 posted on 06/16/2009 4:56:38 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: All
Direct link to the photos referenced at post #47:

Kooye Daneshgah (Tehran Uni Complex)

And I'll post a few of them:

50 posted on 06/16/2009 4:57:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Support Geert Wilders)
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