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German soldiers 'drink and complain too much to fight Taleban'
The Times (UK) ^ | June 17, 2009 | Roger Boyes

Posted on 06/16/2009 6:27:26 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick

They have a beer ration of up to a litre a day, and wurst for dinner. Taleban or no Taleban, Germans take a little bit of home with them when they serve in trouble spots. Even their carefully sorted rubbish gets dumped in wheelie bins before being sent from Afghanistan to Germany for recycling.

Now Germany’s most senior officer has berated his troops for going soft. “We cannot guarantee soldiers that they will have an all-round feel-good experience,” said General Wolfgang Schneiderhan.

His outburst follows complaints made by German soldiers to the official ombudsman about their tours abroad. Some have grumbled about unsuitable sleeping bags for their Congo peace-keeping mission — “there is no reason why this issue should have come before Parliament,” said General Schneiderhan — while others moaned about the long hours, a lack of childcare for their families at home and poor medical care.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; germantroops; oef; willingcoalition
My favourite part of this article was the guy in the Comments section who wrote;

"Lazy fat German soldiers is probably not a bad thing."

1 posted on 06/16/2009 6:27:27 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Hard to imagine these guys grandfathers were in SS or Fallschirmjaeger units. Politics asides, those guys could fight.
2 posted on 06/16/2009 6:36:01 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Those Kraut troops are lucky they've got Schneiderhan. One can only imagine what those old tank generals would do -- like Heinz Guderian and "Panzer" Meyer, and any Feldmarschall with a Von in his name.

On the other hand, von Manstein and Rommel would be shaking hands with their Indian counterparts by now.

3 posted on 06/16/2009 6:37:03 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: PotatoHeadMick

...those fat louts need the ghost of Baron Fredrich von Steuben, Geo Washington’s drill officer....he’d whip that rabble into shape and run the lard off their fat asses.


4 posted on 06/16/2009 6:37:16 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: PotatoHeadMick

It is a new Wehrmacht strategy called blitzedkrieg.


5 posted on 06/16/2009 6:37:48 PM PDT by A message (3 years 7 months 3 days)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I just watched the 4 part series on the Battle of the Bulge on YOUTUBE and the Germans were THIS CLOSE to beating the Americans at the Ardenennes. They had superior tanks, automatic weapons and commanders on the field. Who wouldathunk that their ‘superior” panzers couldn’t pass through the forest roads, had no fuel and their commanders couldn’t navigate in the thick forests.


6 posted on 06/16/2009 6:41:00 PM PDT by max americana
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To: 2banana

“Hard to imagine these guys grandfathers were in SS or Fallschirmjaeger units. Politics asides, those guys could fight.”

...you ain’t kidding....I served with men who fought in Europe in 1944 when most German formations were still intact....they were very hard men.


7 posted on 06/16/2009 6:43:07 PM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: A message

This is why the Swiss have a corkscrew on their knives.


8 posted on 06/16/2009 6:44:53 PM PDT by DHSMostWanted (There wouldn't be a North Korea if MacArthur was allowed to finish the job.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

The French are now relaxing! However they are still planting trees along their roads so the wohlbeleibt german
slodiers can walk in the shade.


9 posted on 06/16/2009 6:48:19 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: PotatoHeadMick

I thought the German Constitution forbid German troops from fighting in foreign lands. Anyone know for sure?


10 posted on 06/16/2009 6:48:35 PM PDT by csmusaret (http://www.aipnews.com/)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Dean Vernon Wormer: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son
11 posted on 06/16/2009 6:54:40 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - MARSOC DAD)
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To: csmusaret

I thought the German Constitution forbid German troops from fighting in foreign lands. Anyone know for sure?

Not a chance anything they are doing in Afghanistan could be called fighting, their constitution is safe.


12 posted on 06/16/2009 6:59:32 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - MARSOC DAD)
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To: 2banana

Yeah, it’s amazing to behold.


13 posted on 06/16/2009 7:07:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
SGT Shultz Pictures, Images and Photos
14 posted on 06/16/2009 7:07:25 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: max americana
[T]he Germans were THIS CLOSE to beating the Americans at the Ardenennes.

Eisenhower, alone among Allied top brass, immediately recognized that the German offensive was an opportunity to decimate the Wehrmacht in open instead of digging them out of burrows. The Ardenne offensive indisputably shortened the War by at least six months and never had any real chance of success.

As one Wehrmacht General observed, "The Americans in the Ardenne provided the artillery preparation for the Russian offensive in the east."

It was an offensive conceived by Hitler, premised on the assumption that the Americans would break under the German attack and allow the Germans to capture sufficient fuel to drive to Antwerp. In the event, the Americans did not cooperate and negligible amounts of fuel were captured. Of course, Hitler had nothing to lose, gamble everything on one roll of the dice or face gradual strangulation. He chose to go out in a futile blaze of glory.

15 posted on 06/16/2009 7:11:47 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (AGWT is very robust with respect to data. All observations confirm it at the 100% confidence level.)
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To: csmusaret
Germany was not permitted to have an armed force at all until 1954 when the US, UK, and France decided West Germany could reconstitute its armed forces as part of NATO.

Article 87 of the Basic Law (Germany's constitution) states that it's armed forces are only to be used for defensive purposes, but does not define these. In 1994, the German Federal Court ruled that defensive actions could sometimes be necessary outside Germany's borders. Since that time, it has been legal to deploy German armed forces as part of NATO forces or part of combined European Union Forces, or when military action is mandated by the United Nations. German troops serve in Afghanistan as part of a NATO force fighting a war prompted by the activation of the North Atlantic Treaty following an attack on the mainland United States - that meets the legal test. It is a war being fought under NATO command in defence of a NATO ally.

16 posted on 06/16/2009 7:15:07 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: A message

Post of the day.


17 posted on 06/16/2009 7:19:31 PM PDT by caddie
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To: naturalman1975

Good explanation. I last served in Germany 81-84 and never heard about the change made in 94. Thank you.


18 posted on 06/16/2009 7:23:37 PM PDT by csmusaret (http://www.aipnews.com/)
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To: STONEWALLS

Growing up, I attended Von Steuben Junior High school, in Detroit.


19 posted on 06/16/2009 7:25:38 PM PDT by gigster
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To: PotatoHeadMick
German forces serving in Afghanistan consumed about 90,000 bottles of wine and 1.7 million pints of beer last year

War is hell.

20 posted on 06/16/2009 7:38:56 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Time to give them DAS BOOT!!!
21 posted on 06/16/2009 7:41:40 PM PDT by jakerobins ( NO)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
"Lazy fat German soldiers is probably not a bad thing."

That was funny...

22 posted on 06/16/2009 7:49:09 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
The British Army that faced the Germans in 1940 had been told they(British) were the finest soldiers in the world. It should have been qualified- the finest drill soldiers in the world. Pathetically under equipped, deprived by old WW1 old guard,War Office types. They had drilled and spit and polished to prepare for any future war. They tried to stem Rommels Panzers in Belgium. My Dad one of 'em. He had nothing but respect for the German soldier.

It is tragic to see the demise of the professional fighting soldier. Sure war is an evil thing. Once it happens one can go back in time. Again the British soldier was betrayed in the Crimean War in the 1850's. He did his best and died by the thousand of neglect and disease.

A bit of a long screed, but whoever allowed these German soldiers to even approach this kind of indolence is almost a traitor. Unless the begger sits back and says - if any emergency happens the USA will fix it.

Germany has dodged it's responsibilities for too long.

23 posted on 06/16/2009 8:03:32 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Peter Libra

Hasn’t that always been the story of the British Army? I think Churchill said the British always lose every battle except the last one.

The Brits were certainly caught flat footed in 1940 but then they hadn’t spent a decade preparing for war, the Germans had. Once the British got into their stride the Germans proved that often they could be equally flat footed, maybe not as regards the fighting qualities of the individual German soldier which was of course superb but as the war went on the German high command proved themselves to be every bit as unimaginative and “old guard” as any spit n’ polish British cavalry general of WW1.

One obvious point is in the air war where the Brits proved themselves to be the innovative geniuses able to produce revolutionary aircraft design and navigation systems that the Germans simply couldn’t match. At sea also once the initial phase of the U-Boat war was passed it was the Royal Navy who proved themselves to be the more imaginative and daring and were able to outfight and outwit the Germans with ease.

By the time D-Day came around the British Army was more than a match for the Germans. It is perhaps to the credit of the British that they are usually unprepared for war, but when they get involved they learn from their mistakes very quickly and as Napoleon, the Kaiser and eventually Hitler discovered you dismiss the British Army at your peril.


24 posted on 06/16/2009 8:33:23 PM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: Peter Libra
Again the British soldier was betrayed in the Crimean War in the 1850’s. He did his best and died by the thousand of neglect and disease.

Rudyard Kipling

Tommy
I went into a public-’ouse to get a pint o’beer,
The publican ‘e up an’ sez, “We serve no red-coats here.”
The girls be’ind the bar they laughed an’ giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an’ to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, go away”;
But it's ``Thank you, Mister Atkins,’’ when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's ``Thank you, Mr. Atkins,’’ when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but ‘adn’t none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-’alls,
But when it comes to fightin’, Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, wait outside”;
But it's “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's “Special train for Atkins” when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an’ they're starvation cheap;
An’ hustlin’ drunken soldiers when they're goin’ large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin’ in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy how's yer soul?”
But it's “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's “Thin red line of ‘eroes” when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red ‘eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An’ if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Tommy, fall be’ind,”
But it's “Please to walk in front, sir,” when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's “Please to walk in front, sir,” when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o’ better food for us, an’ schools, an’ fires an’ all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man’s disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out, the brute!”
But it's “Saviour of ‘is country,” when the guns begin to shoot;
An’ it's Tommy this, an’ Tommy that, an’ anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin’ fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

25 posted on 06/16/2009 8:38:09 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Fear the government, pray for the country)
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To: PotatoHeadMick
Hasn't that always been the story of the British Army? I think Churchill said the British always lose every battle except the last one.

Thanks for your comments. I had noticed the cap of the German soldier pictured. It seemed to me that it was the style of the old Afrika Corps. Unfortunately the soldier was not very lean. Oh well back to one of the finest war stories based on factual experience by a German.

The Forsaken Army.
Heinrich Gerlach.

The terrible debacle of Von Paulus and the German Sixth Army at Stalingrad. Those who survived were incredible men, Germans or not. Again, the Americans, Australians and British who survived the death railroad in Asia at the hands of the Japanese, deserve mention.

Iron discipline was their watchword. Without it they were finished.

26 posted on 06/16/2009 8:50:12 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: PotatoHeadMick
....you dismiss the British Army at your peril..

Especially when you have the US to pull your chestnuts out of the fire....twice....
27 posted on 06/16/2009 8:50:28 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Fear the government, pray for the country)
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To: RedMonqey
Thanks for the immortal Kipling poem.

Boys I am drawing some favourable comment tonight. I do not think it off the topic to bring up what it means to be a disciplined soldier. 'Ated it meself though, couldn't wait to get to back to civvy street.(laughs).

In these days of volunteer soldiers, if they were ever up against it, they would possibly be absolutely at a loss. I was loaned a book about a special services US soldier who escaped across the mountains in Afghanistan. His name was Mark. That he survived was due to training and an iron will. That he had luck as wekk to be sure.

Those German men are being done no favours.

28 posted on 06/16/2009 9:02:52 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: PotatoHeadMick

“wursts for dinner”

i miss curry wurst.


29 posted on 06/16/2009 9:08:32 PM PDT by madamemayhem (there are only two places in the world: over here and over there.)
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