Skip to comments.Is Cutting The Vagus Nerve The Answer To Weight Loss?
Posted on 06/16/2009 8:17:46 PM PDT by wintertime
Last year, 200,000 Americans had weight loss surgery and while gastric bypass surgery can significantly reduce weight, the surgery comes with risks.
Now a procedure that was once commonly used to treat ulcers is being tested as a safe alternative to weight loss surgery.
Action News reporter Kimberly Tere has the details.
The vagus nerve controls your feeling of hunger.
Some even say every single thing the vagus nerve does is designed to make you gain weight.
That is why San Francisco Doctor Robert Lustig is testing laparoscopic vagotomy, a surgery in which the vagus nerve is cut.
Cutting the vagus nerve can reduce the amount of fat stored in the body and can increase energy levels.
"Every patient in the study said their hunger was gone, just gone. One comment I got from one patient was this is the first time in her life that she was not a prisoner to food," said Dr. Lustig.
Gee! What a horrible experience.
I hope you will eventually recover.
I'm about the same as you. But I only walk 30 minutes a day, and watch my calories. I just ate a whole can of apricots with Splenda on them -- 90 calories.
if I keep a bottle or cup of water around all the time and drink it all the time. If I stay full on water, I tend to not feel much hunger pangs.
Yes, this helps. I do the same.
In my case I actually weigh less when I am not in intense training. In the Army where I had a regular regimen of intense work outs I actually weighed appx 20-30 pounds heavier than what I do now. I figured it was because the fact that my nutritional requirements were different. That is because I burned so much energy I ate alot more than I do now, even when I didn’t work out. Now I just eat whenever I feel hungry. Sometimes that may mean my first and only meal is at 6 pm or at noon. Usually a snack or two helps to fill the void but I rarely just feel hungry and eat and eat.
You should thank God every day. What a blessing for you.
Get this one... true story. I went to an endocrinologist who was supposed to be a big deal at Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles. I'm complaining that I can't sleep and am gaining weight at an ungodly rate. You know what he said to me? "Are you dating anyone? I really think you'd be much happier if you found a nice guy and quit flying."
Swear to God. I never darkened that guy's door again.
I, too, have tried just about every diet and tossed around the idea of lapband. I did some research on insulin resistance, and I stumbled upon “Let’s Do Lunch” by Roger Troy Wilson. The author has suffered through what most overweight people have, and his personal story is amazing. Through trial and error he found what worked for him, and in the process reduced his weight from 425 lbs to 195 lbs.....a 230 lb weight loss. He talks about members of his family trying the diet and losing also, then friends and so on...and from there it caught on. He decided to write a book to help others through his story...and all proceeds go to charities. Please check out the website...I did and darn glad too. I gleaned enough from the site to start the diet....and it is true....all food cravings are gone...and I have lost 15 lbs in 4 weeks. This diet goes against the grain for Atkins fans ( I was one for years). I just got so very tired of limitations...and I missed fruit! I know in my heart that this “diet” will be my future way of eating from now on...because I’m feeling so much better...and I’m NOT hungry!! Hope this helps someone contemplating a serious and perhaps dangerous surgery.
Your post was generally good, except that statement. It is as faulty as the one you are rebutting -
It would have been better to say that not ALL fat people are inherently lazy or less disciplined than thin people.
I know some horrendously obese people who are and have been extremely lazy their whole lives. From diaper to gross morbid obesity... all their lives they have been extremely lazy. But I also know obese people who have never ever been in a situation to be honestly called lazy. I like to sit around, but I also like to get out and walk, play some basketball, swim, etc. I too am very obese. I can actually drop my caloric intake to what most doctors say I "need", and I still gain weight - regardless of where those calories come from - EXCEPT when I did the low-carb thing. Still significant calories when doing the low-carb, it is just that the calories come from fat and protein - which your body has to actually work to utilize.
I also believe that the exponential use of corn-based sweeteners (corn syrup) has contributed greatly to obesity and diabetes as well. Our bodies don't process that the same way as regular "natural" sugar.
I must say, that after acupuncture I feel terrific!...I just wish it would last longer than a few hours.
Will go to his site immediately!
Thanks for sharing the links. Twenty minutes 3X per week should be manageable for most people.
i’d like to know also
The ONLY thing I have found that works unbelievably well (and believe me, over those many years, I tried just about everything) are the Holosync CDs. The funny thing is, you're not supposed to sleep to them. But I put the headset on and I'm out within minutes. I listen to them on my iPod every time I lay down to go to sleep. I recently took a trip with my mother and we shared a hotel room and she told me, "I couldn't believe how you pass out when you lay down with those headphones on!" It knocks me out cold.
So I've got the sleep thing under control. Now it's just the other residual stuff I'm still dealing with.
I know exactly what you mean. People should try Hoodia, if you can find a legit one. H57 is good, CVS also has one that works. I started with Hoodia which simply crushes hunger using a cactus extract and green tea compound (EGCG). Once I had cut down the size of meals and calories, I phased out Hoodia and my stomach had adjusted to the new regimen. the hunger was far less, and I was able to keep myself feeling full with high fiber stuff (beans, grains, oatmeal, etc).
Have you thought of it in terms of addiction? There are recovery groups for food addicts, free of charge.
Hunger is an addiction?
By the way, I am normal weight and have been for several years.
Tried Hoodia. Didn't work.
I’ll tell you what... I’ll trade places with you right now.
I’ve been able to control my weight for years now, ever since cancer left me unable to swallow and on permanent tube feeding. The only way I enjoy food now is through cooking and smell. My taste is intact but I cannot swallow anything other than water and I am in my fifth year of what will be permanent tube feeding. The thing is, I don’t complain about it on the internet.
I wish I had your problem. I wish I had to worry about my diet and exercise self control about what I eat, but unfortunately that decision has been removed forever by cancer and the subsequent “treatments” that kept it from killing me.
Every time I get blue about my situation I cheer myself up by remembering there are people who have it worse than me...and then I read a post like this one. Or someone comes up to me in the store to loudly remark on all of my obvious surgical scars on my face and neck.
Best for me to say no more...
What gets me is when I hear someone has lost 100 lbs. or so. I’ve picked up stuff weighing 100 lbs. and can tell you, I’m not carrying it very far (maybe a few yards).
I hope I am never in your situation.
But...I strongly suspect that if I were I would still be fighting hunger and the overpowering desire to put more in that tube than I needed to maintain my weight.
I am glad to hear that you have won your battle with cancer, and I am sorry that it has left you permanently disabled.
“Every time I get blue about my situation I cheer myself up by remembering there are people who have it worse than me...and then I read a post like this one. Or someone comes up to me in the store to loudly remark on all of my obvious surgical scars on my face and neck.”
You indeed have a “stout heart” Bean Counter. I admire your fortitude. Keep up the good fight.
I got rid of all of the big plates in my house. I only use the smaller plates (I think they are called salad plates.)
The big plates are prolly 10" these are maybe 6".
I load that puppy up with food but i don't go back for seconds.
Could it be that there is a difference based on where it is cut, much as severing the spinal cord can result in instant death or varying degrees of paralysis (depending on whether it's in the neck or the lower back)?
1 hard boiled egg for breakfast, throw away the yolk.
Eat soup for lunch, drink water and no calorie juices all day, go a couple of days a week without chewing at all.
Have a half pound of boiled shrimp for lunch or dinner.
You'll lose 10 pounds a month minimum.
There's nothing magic about not combining foods. The only natural way to eat food is to find one food and eat it until you feel full. Any combinations of food of any sort are unnatural and won't digest properly. Also avoid processed foods like processed grains and sugar. I am not naturally thin, I am a bit above because I eat quite a bit of sugar, but otherwise follow the natural diet.
That sounds low but is it really? The cost of failure is high: no more being alive. If gastric bypass were a drug treatment with those odds, the FDA would not approve it. Gastric bypass should only be used as a very last resort, when all other options have been exhausted. It shouldn't be on billboards, radio, and TV, advertising for the casual customer.
I have the roux-en-y, but my husband has a biliopancreatic diversion (BPD) because his triglycerides were off the charts. We're both doing extremely well because of those surgeries.
I understand my situation may be unique but when I weighed 308lbs, my health overall was good but I had low blood sugar, low blood pressure and ran anemic. VERY odd with a huge family history of diabetes and heart disease.
With the roux-en-y my surgeon left me with the usual 7ft of small intestion when sometimes he goes as low as 5. I was used to running food through 40ft so the 7 was as drastic as he wanted to take it. Also with a roux-en-y no intestines are removed (at least he left them), just rerouted.
I'll never forget the conversation with him after I got out of surgery:
Me: "You left in all 40 feet? What the heck am I gonna do with 40ft of small bowel??"
Doctor Mac: "You never know! You might be in Detroit and get shot!"
I was born overweight and stayed that way until I was in my late 20's and had the gastric bypass. You work your butt off -- literally -- and the weight stays. I was in the gym three days a week on the bike and weightlifting as well as watching my diet and the weight stayed.
First off check to make sure you're healthy. Blood sugar, pressure, heart, vitamin levels, etc. If those are in the normal range then you're dealing with genetic factors you can't do much about.
I've heard of the lap band but don't know how successful it is. If your vitals are good it may be the perfect option for you. Surgeries are for those who need to lose a LOT of weight.
Exactly. There is no such thing as going "cold turkey when it comes to eating, unless you are talking about a true fast. But that has to come to an end, unless your intention is to die.
Your story is interesting but anecdotal - the point is that there are no documented studies that show a deleterious effect of the Atkins diet. With the chumming that the PETA people have done there is a ton of junk science out there so you may find that when searching.
But the enemy is carbs and fat intake is far less damaging than sugar. Cut out the sugar and so many things fall into place. Atkins was a hero who fought against the madness of substituting sugar for fat in all those "Diet" low-fat products.
Yea. What is your point? The poster said they need more protein than the oatmeal.
Agreed. Sausage - ymmm.
Gastric by pass is the last chance.
The point is that people who are **normally** thin are not exercising in a special way or using special foods or diet programs.
Yes, but it's being advertised heavily to the general public. To put the risk of death in perspective, undergoing gastric bypass has about the same fatality rate as driving a motorcycle for 100 million miles. That would take the average motorist 8,333 years to accomplish. Many people thinking about gastric bypass wouldn't consider driving a motorcycle 1 mile. The advertising promoting this procedure should be reigned in. This is something only a doctor should know about as a possible option of last resort.
We have lost some Freepers to this procedure.
“You are correct. I never (ever) get hungry. I eat based on my perceived requirements. I am thin and have a fast metabolism. “
This is me, too. However, all the rest does not apply to me at all. I live just fine on a pizza and beer diet, with potato chips and dip and hotdogs thrown in for variety. I do not eat that much of anything, though. I can go for a day or two before realizing that I’ve not had any kind of “meal” at all.
Maybe I have a dysfunctional vagus nerve...
Hey! Should I apply for SNOBama Disability?
A guy I knew died from complications after gastric bypass surgery.
I have lost about 110. Keeping it off has been a challenge, but so far, so good. I am usually hungry as well. Although sometimes it’s more emotional than physical, ie. stress eating or boredom eating. I have to do a lot of exercise and not eat a lot to maintain.
Remember that Atkins adds carbs gradually but the carbs added are only those LOW on the glycemic index. This is an important element. You can’t add potatoes, rice, bread until the very end.
I love Atkins and my doctor [who is a cardiologist at Cedars-Sinai] suggested I try it.
I love barbecued food so I grill twice a week. I barbecue meats plus asparagus, halved zucchini and red peppers.
Another issue is that we lose muscle as we age. So if you are the same weight at 60 as you are at 20, you have considerably more fat. Muscle mass is imperative to keeping weight off. A 20 year old and a 60 year old, weighing the same, lose at different rates because the older person has less muscle. As a result, exercising is more important. My fav is walking in the hills around my house.
Some even say every single thing the vagus nerve does is designed to make you gain weight.I haven't the vagus idea whether this is true or not, but probably worth reading about it. Thanks neverdem.
Here's a Freeper no longer with us because of this surgery: Prayer Needs: TexasFlower has passed away
A couch potato burns about 1800 cals/day just watching Judge Mathis and Oprah. ie just to survive. Bigger people burn more cals just laying around, there's more to operate
A pound is 3800 calories.
Neutral weight is around 2000 calories based upon these figures. 3800 - 1800 = 2000
Any day more than 2000 adds weight, anything under 2000 takes it away.
Suppose a person eats 1600 per day (losing 400 k/c each day), you must to do that for 9 days to lose a pound. (400*9)-
OH a quarter-pounder with cheese meal, fries, drink equal 1200 calories, 1600 isnt an easy nut to cut.
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