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Autos "clunker" bill likely to face Senate obstacle
Roooooters ^ | Wed, June 17, 2009

Posted on 06/17/2009 10:11:02 AM PDT by upchuck

Auto industry supporters in Congress are bracing for a last-minute challenge this week to a legislative proposal that is designed to spur U.S. vehicle sales.

Republican Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire said he hopes to raise a procedural motion on the Senate floor to strip the provision from a bill that continues funding for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

"As the nation's debt continues to climb to unsustainable levels, it is troubling that Congress is looking for even more fiscally reckless ways to subsidize the auto industry," Gregg said in a statement.

The so-called "cash for clunkers" plan approved in House/Senate negotiations on the larger spending bill would offer consumers up to $1 billion in vouchers toward the purchase of fuel efficient vehicles when they trade in older, less efficient models.

Supporters hope the plan that would run through September 30 will generate up to 250,000 new car sales, boosting a severely depressed industry that has seen two U.S. manufacturers -- General Motors Corp and Chrysler -- seek bankruptcy protection since April.

Gregg argues the proposal is not only fiscally irresponsible but procedurally flawed, too, because it was not included in full House or Senate votes on the wartime appropriations bill.

Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, a lead advocate of the auto proposal, said the measure was of prime importance to automakers and related businesses.

"This is our one chance opportunity to help dealers," Stabenow said.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; automakers; bho44; clunkers; juddgregg; stabenow
Stabenow: "... our one chance opportunity."

It appears that she has taken up nobama's mantra of "now, now, now!" I hear he's giving classes on the weekends.

1 posted on 06/17/2009 10:11:03 AM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

they scaled way back on the deductions you can take for donating your old car to charity because they coveted the additional revenue. Do they have any idea how many junkyards will get emptied out with this program?


2 posted on 06/17/2009 10:13:49 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: upchuck
"This is our one chance opportunity to help dealers," Stabenow said.

The remaining favored dealers that you didn't just directly force out of business, you mean?

3 posted on 06/17/2009 10:16:14 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: upchuck

The older cars would be taken off the streets and recycled


4 posted on 06/17/2009 10:16:32 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: upchuck

Well, dang it - I was looking forward to bleeding the taxpayers to replace my beater. Now it looks like I’ll have to get up off my OWN wallet.


5 posted on 06/17/2009 10:18:25 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: upchuck

it’s a stampede to socialism

they know if legislation slows down and people get a chance to look in depth there will be trouble

that’s why the blitz for socialized medicine and cap N tax


6 posted on 06/17/2009 10:20:20 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: upchuck
"This is our one chance opportunity to help dealers," Stabenow said.

That would be the auto dealers Zero just put out of business???

7 posted on 06/17/2009 10:20:45 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: GeronL

I am not giving up my 1979 Chevy pick up. It can haul 12,000 lbs, has AC/heat, good shocks, tires, transmission, brakes, etc. It is a great truck. I do need it to haul my horses.


8 posted on 06/17/2009 10:23:34 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: neverdem; Buckeye McFrog

Right: Scale back on real charities getting real dollars - privately! - and create another government give-a-way bailing out the union-trickle-down-theory of economics.


9 posted on 06/17/2009 10:25:05 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: GeronL
The older cars would be taken off the streets and recycled

This is what worries me. The chassis with the engine has to be crushed, it can be stripped for parts, but the question is, who does it?

Do we end up with a hightly unionized "TSA" type of organization full of political hacks and lackies, that sit their and watch the crusher to confim the deed is done?

What effect does this have on oh so many junk yards with small mom and pops trying to eek out a living on old hulks?

My guess is these power hungy Bastardo's want to control these folks too....

10 posted on 06/17/2009 10:26:40 AM PDT by taildragger (Palin / Mulally 2012)
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To: Dudoight

The government will take it from you and give you a 2-wheeled, 2 seat version of the Segway


11 posted on 06/17/2009 10:29:02 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Dudoight
I am not giving up my 1979 Chevy pick up. It can haul 12,000 lbs, has AC/heat, good shocks, tires, transmission, brakes, etc. It is a great truck. I do need it to haul my horses.

Maybe the Government will ALSO buy your horses and put those methane producing beasts in a boneyard somewhere... it's for the good of everyone, mind you. /sarc

12 posted on 06/17/2009 10:29:13 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: upchuck

Sorry, Obama, you can’t even pay me to drive your Kommie Kars.


13 posted on 06/17/2009 10:30:09 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Dudoight

You’ll be eating your horses before Obama is through with us all.


14 posted on 06/17/2009 10:34:11 AM PDT by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: upchuck

The Democrats want you to help support their UNION buddies and their outrageous benefits.


15 posted on 06/17/2009 10:55:44 AM PDT by blam
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To: upchuck

I’m beginning to think it would be more beneficial to my country to buy a foreign auto...at least, I wouldn’t be supporting people who vote for Democrats that are determined to destroy this country.


16 posted on 06/17/2009 10:58:24 AM PDT by blam
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To: upchuck
So, let's totally screw up the low-cost, used car market. Since that $750 beater is now worth a lot more as a trade-in, the guy who can only afford a $750 ride is hosed.

A fix for that: the clunker must have been titled to the person trading it in for at least 6 months.

17 posted on 06/17/2009 11:07:04 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: upchuck

There needs to be ONE TOPIC ONLY rules for ANY bill in Congress.

Any President in the Oval Office needs the LINE ITEM VETO.

Hiding other items inside bills that have a warm and fuzzy title is pure fraud.


18 posted on 06/17/2009 11:07:41 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: polymuser

On edmunds.com they said that the vehicle had to be the owner’s name for at least a year before it qualifies - that should slow down some buy-it-to-trade-it-in moves (if it ever passes) but will still skew the markets.


19 posted on 06/17/2009 11:18:53 AM PDT by Tirian
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To: upchuck

My car is 10 year old, Oldsmobile cutlass. 6 cylinders. Still getting >24 mpg all city driving, 32 highway. I am not sure they can do much better than that.


20 posted on 06/17/2009 12:06:21 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: NEMDF

My 99 Ford Escort still gets 23 mpg, has 53500 actual miles on it, is in excellent condition and is paid off. I have no intention of replacing it with some new POS obamamobile.


21 posted on 06/17/2009 12:19:42 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Do they have any idea how many junkyards will get emptied out with this program?

My thoughts exactly. All of this rush legislation is coming with a lot (!!!) of unintended consequences.

When I first heard about this clunker-for-cash deal, I was thinking the perfect business would be a recycler...buy the clunkers off of the new car dealers at scrap value, and flip them to new car buyers for half the value of their tax credit. This will happen...just wait. And, if they try to put ownership rules in place, you'll see DMV-assisted scams falsifying VIN numbers and back-dating clunker purchases.

22 posted on 06/17/2009 1:41:54 PM PDT by Fredgoblu
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To: polymuser
So, let's totally screw up the low-cost, used car market. Since that $750 beater is now worth a lot more as a trade-in, the guy who can only afford a $750 ride is hosed.

Unintended consequences...ya gotta love 'em.

23 posted on 06/17/2009 1:45:17 PM PDT by Fredgoblu
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To: GeronL; rhombus; Dionysius

The tragic sadness of your predictions is that unless this country wakes up they will come true.


24 posted on 06/17/2009 5:28:27 PM PDT by Dudoight
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