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E-Mail Surveillance Renews Concerns in Congress
NYT ^ | 6/17/09

Posted on 06/17/2009 6:56:43 PM PDT by FromLori

The National Security Agency is facing renewed scrutiny over the extent of its domestic surveillance program, with critics in Congress saying its recent intercepts of the private telephone calls and e-mail messages of Americans are broader than previously acknowledged, current and former officials said.

Brendan Smialowski for The New York Times Representative Rush Holt Readers' Comments Readers shared their thoughts on this article. Read All Comments (170) » The agency’s monitoring of domestic e-mail messages, in particular, has posed longstanding legal and logistical difficulties, the officials said.

Since April, when it was disclosed that the intercepts of some private communications of Americans went beyond legal limits in late 2008 and early 2009, several Congressional committees have been investigating. Those inquiries have led to concerns in Congress about the agency’s ability to collect and read domestic e-mail messages of Americans on a widespread basis, officials said. Supporting that conclusion is the account of a former N.S.A. analyst who, in a series of interviews, described being trained in 2005 for a program in which the agency routinely examined large volumes of Americans’ e-mail messages without court warrants. Two intelligence officials confirmed that the program was still in operation.

Both the former analyst’s account and the rising concern among some members of Congress about the N.S.A.’s recent operation are raising fresh questions about the spy agency.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: 1984; 4thamendment; agenda; bho44; bigbrother; counterterrorism; governmentabuse; hitler; lping; mao; obama; privacy; socialism; spying; stalin; surveillance; tyranny; unconstitutional

1 posted on 06/17/2009 6:56:43 PM PDT by FromLori
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To: FromLori; bamahead

This should end right now.

If the government wants to intercept and analyze our communications, they should be required to have a dammed search warrant!!

Since we are in the process of turning terrorist prisoners loose, and even sending some to a Bermuda paradise, why would the government feel it necessary to spy on our citizens?


2 posted on 06/17/2009 7:03:29 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: KoRn

1984


3 posted on 06/17/2009 7:04:35 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori
This stuff is a clear violation of the Constitution.

Bush and Obama are guilty.

It must be stopped.

4 posted on 06/17/2009 7:04:35 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

Absolutely


5 posted on 06/17/2009 7:05:07 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: KoRn; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...
Mr. Holt disputed assertions by Justice Department and national security officials that the overcollection was inadvertent ... “Some actions are so flagrant that they can’t be accidental”



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6 posted on 06/17/2009 7:18:03 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

G’night.


7 posted on 06/17/2009 7:20:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: FromLori
Let the NSA read this:

I HOPE BARRY THE MARXIST FAILS!!!!!!!

8 posted on 06/17/2009 7:31:29 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Bernard Madoff's ponzi scheme looks remarkably similar to the way Social Security works)
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To: MtnClimber

lol careful MtnClimber

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2273397/posts


9 posted on 06/17/2009 7:40:22 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori
eschelon. Surprised the old gay lady even mentions this.
10 posted on 06/17/2009 7:40:31 PM PDT by glock rocks (Being an optimist is getting to be quite a job these days...)
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To: KoRn
Since we are in the process of turning terrorist prisoners loose, and even sending some to a Bermuda paradise, why would the government feel it necessary to spy on our citizens?

Maybe it's because a friend of Muslim terrorists is in the White House and views those opposed to him as enemies of the state?
11 posted on 06/17/2009 7:45:12 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: glock rocks

This really isn’t a shocker, what is more of a shock is those who actually think the NSACIAFBIATFUSSSDEA et al will actually stop doing this when ordered by a court.

They’ll just relocate the program and restaff it with new faces and continue on about their business.


12 posted on 06/17/2009 7:46:14 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: FromLori

Amazing that a government agency could use someones comment about taxes on an anonymous forum to demand the ID details of all the posters.


13 posted on 06/17/2009 7:47:29 PM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <----go there now,----> tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

The publication should inform the IRS that “sorry, we don’t have that information backed up, no logs were kept, sorry”

Nothing more than SecState Clinton (then First ‘Lady’) did when anyone wanted HER records.


14 posted on 06/17/2009 7:49:33 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: mkjessup
"Maybe it's because a friend of Muslim terrorists is in the White House and views those opposed to him as enemies of the state?"

I think you're onto something here.

15 posted on 06/17/2009 7:50:03 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: glock rocks

Its not fascism if they do it.


16 posted on 06/17/2009 7:55:49 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Haven’t heard much from Bill Gates following the federal Microsoft shakedown plea either... got Linux?


17 posted on 06/17/2009 8:52:30 PM PDT by glock rocks (Being an optimist is getting to be quite a job these days...)
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To: glock rocks

Did you see the article where Microsoft threatened the obamageddon they would move jobs out of the country a few weeks ago?

http://www.businessinsider.com/ballmer-threatens-obama-says-hell-move-jobs-overseas-2009-6


18 posted on 06/17/2009 8:55:36 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

If Zero’s plan is, as it seems, to wreck the free enterprise economy, then this is no threat to him at all... it’s a bonus.


19 posted on 06/17/2009 9:05:51 PM PDT by glock rocks (Being an optimist is getting to be quite a job these days...)
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To: mkjessup

And most of the information demanded was way beyond the scope of even what would be available if the newspaper demanded registration. They wanted home addresses, etc. Ridiculous.


20 posted on 06/17/2009 9:13:01 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: FromLori

I like how it was okay when GW was in office, now it’s not. I don’t really care who’s in office, either way it’s a bad precedent.


21 posted on 06/17/2009 9:15:36 PM PDT by Firefigher NC
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To: FromLori

Don’t use one email. Use several different ones. Yahoo, AOL, hushmail, gmail, roadrunner, etc. Don’t make it easy on them and never use your real name or state when signing up for an email account. Also use an IP blocker always. Make sure it runs at start up so it’s always blocked or make sure you are using a proxy.


22 posted on 06/17/2009 10:19:07 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: mojitojoe

How do you get an IP blocker?


23 posted on 06/17/2009 10:33:45 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori

Just google hide my ip and proxy servers. There are tons. You can also use TOR but it’s slow.


24 posted on 06/17/2009 10:51:11 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: MtnClimber

Regarding salty talk aimed at the president (or other officials) vs visits from the SS
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2200093/posts


25 posted on 06/18/2009 5:03:27 AM PDT by EBH (I am not your comrade, nor sheeple, nor serf or slave; but a Freeman.)
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To: Mariner
This stuff is a clear violation of the Constitution.

Since when did out government give a sh!t about the Constitution?

Say around, oh...1776?

26 posted on 06/18/2009 5:55:18 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: MtnClimber

If anyone needs to be watched it’s Barry. The highest office in the land and he walks around with a blackberry.


27 posted on 06/18/2009 6:00:58 AM PDT by freebird5850 (O-Bomba is not the Messia. Jesus was a carpenter and could build a cabinet!)
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To: FromLori

Folks - one technical thing to remember here is that e-mail is like a postcard - it can easily be read on any machine it passes through on its journey from source to destination.

To protect e-mail, use some type of encryption - won’t stop someone who really wants to read your e-mail, but it will slow them down


28 posted on 06/18/2009 6:08:58 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: unixfox
Say around, oh...1776?

While I appreciate and agree with the sentiment, the constitution wasn't ratified until 1791.

29 posted on 06/18/2009 6:47:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: KoRn
why would the government feel it necessary to spy on our citizens?

Because the government does not trust its armed citizens. If you are going to control the masses you must disarm them, limit travel & free speech, control food & medical care, and crash the economy. All are in play.

30 posted on 06/18/2009 7:48:54 AM PDT by NoPrisoners ("When in the course of human events...")
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To: FromLori

all congress cares about is that their e-mails may be read and they can get caught, screw the people of the US


31 posted on 06/18/2009 10:23:58 AM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: NoPrisoners

A government that thinks it is authorized to dictate your medical care is certainly not going to worry about reading your mail.


32 posted on 06/18/2009 10:25:50 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

That’s why I don’t think the present administration has much to do with this.


33 posted on 06/18/2009 12:55:54 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Firefigher NC

Funny how that works, huh?


34 posted on 06/18/2009 12:57:37 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: FromLori
Electronic monitoring of online activity has been going on for a long time now.

Which is why I tell the keyboard commandos here to STHU

35 posted on 06/18/2009 5:03:41 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: FromLori

Use hushmail or some other email service where it is encrypted. NEVER use AOL. Your IP blockers do not work with AOL.


36 posted on 06/21/2009 11:38:50 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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