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After Obama Fails
American Thinker ^ | June 18, 2009 | George Joyce

Posted on 06/18/2009 3:38:48 AM PDT by Man50D

A failed presidency for Barack Obama could turn into liberalism's worst nightmare. Barely six months into his term, the 44th president has succeeded in generating the most widespread and serious discussion of secession since the Civil War. Despite what Newsweek's Evan Thomas may claim, Obama is not the "God" who will bring us together but the autocratic sponsor of an overbearing, oppressive leviathan from which a growing number of Americans are seeking refuge.

That refuge, according to author Paul Starobin, will come in the form of several regional republics that reflect the diverse character of Americans no longer bound in any meaningful way by our unrecognizable Federal government. In a riveting exploration of America 's coming breakup, Starobin writes in a recent Wall Street Journal article:

"Picture an America that is run not, as now, by a top-heavy Washington autocracy but, in freewheeling style, by an assemblage of largely autonomous regional republics reflecting the eclectic economic and cultural character of the society."

Starobin chronicles in fascinating detail the historical basis for America 's future balkanization. He provides a snapshot of today's most viable and vocal secessionist organizations. Starobin goes on to argue that the overbearing and stifling "Obama planners and their ilk" will probably be doomed to fail in a land replete with the Jeffersonian impulse of radical self-determination. Obama's extreme power grab, in other words, will cause a correspondingly extreme backlash:

"All of this adds up to a federal power grab that might make even FDR's New Dealers blush. But that's just the point: Not surprisingly, a lot of folks in the land of Jefferson are taking a stand against an approach that stands to make an indebted citizenry yet more dependent on an already immense federal power. The backlash, already under way, is a prime stimulus for a neo-secessionist movement, the most extreme manifestation of a broader push for some form of devolution."

By focusing most of his attention on how big unwieldy entities devolve into creative little ones, Starobin's analysis misses however the more direct personal role Barack Obama himself has played in fracturing America.

Back in March of last year for example New York Times columnist Roger Cohen told his audience he could "understand the rage" of Obama's former pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Without missing a beat Cohen then concluded in his essay that the "clamoring now in the United States for a presidency that uplifts rather than demeans is a reflection of the intellectual desert of the Bush years."

Has Barack Obama's been an "uplifting" presidency? Mr. Obama knew full well that his Supreme Court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor, dismissed the test results of white firefighters in New Haven, Connecticut, entitled to promotion but denied because they were of the wrong race. Surely her decision is demeaning to both white males and to those who study diligently for exams. Did the black firefighters feel uplifted or demeaned when Sotomayor ruled in their favor? Was the New Haven firehouse more unified or more divided after Sotomayor's ruling? Was Obama's Sotomayor choice uplifting or demeaning?

Indeed, from the Sotomayor pick and anti-business rhetoric to the endless lecturing about America 's sins, Mr. Obama is starting to sound a lot like his former pastor. To be sure Obama is not as grating and shrill as Mr. Wright but closer to something more like Jeremiah-lite. In other words, Mr. Obama's strategy seems to be to convince Americans to drink his socialist tonic out of sheer guilt. I'm not sure what is so inspiring about all of this.

Maybe this is why Starobin claims to be witnessing a lot of neo-secessionist activity. Wouldn't a new American devolution however be a liberal's worst nightmare? Beyond the psychosis most liberals would have to endure at the thought of losing any kind of control, the prospect of vibrant, happy, and successful conservative republics in places like Texas, South Carolina or Utah would be an inescapable spotlight forever exposing the failure of liberal ideology in a Republic of California.

But this brings up another problem. When the framers of the American Constitution favored a multi-state solution to the problem of centralized tyranny they argued that an additional benefit would be that each state could become a unique laboratory displaying the policy successes and failures to its neighbors. If the Republic of Texas chooses a classics curriculum for its youngsters, celebrates the family and tradition in its media, encourages personal responsibility in lieu of a nanny state, rewards citizens on the basis of merit, is tough on criminals, sends its politicians home after brief excursions to the capitol, is business friendly and generally leaves its citizens alone, how are those controlling the politically liberal Republics like California going to react?

What most liberals fail to understand is that their leisurely dabbling in progressive politics and moral equivalency is made possible by the existence of accumulated conservative moral capital. Remove the conservative anchor and progressive societies become dangerously seasick. I guess the lesson here is that liberals need conservatives more than conservatives need liberals (although society needs them on occasion). There is much in progressive ideology that simply seeks to undermine -- a strange method of establishing an identity.

While reading "A Little History of the World" to my kids the other day I came across an interesting observation by the author, E.H. Gombrich:

"Because the Egyptians were so wise and so powerful their empire lasted for a very long time. Longer than any empire the world has ever known: nearly three thousand years. And they took just as much care of their corpses, when they preserved them from rotting away, in preserving all their ancient traditions over the centuries. Their priests made quite sure that no son did anything his father had not done before him. To them, everything old was sacred."

When Obama fails it will be because he's convinced enough Americans to tire, as he has, of what used to be known as "America." Imagine what would have happened in Egypt had their priests adopted "liberation theology" rather than the standard of their fathers. A mere footnote in the pages of history.


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1 posted on 06/18/2009 3:38:48 AM PDT by Man50D
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To: Man50D

Like a penny in a fusebox, Obama’s too big to fail.


2 posted on 06/18/2009 3:45:10 AM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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To: Man50D
Bumping for later. Great catch, Thanks!

prisoenr6

3 posted on 06/18/2009 3:47:09 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: Steely Tom
Like a penny in a fuse box, Zero burns the house down...

Μολὼν λάβε


4 posted on 06/18/2009 3:49:30 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" and the Scout Motto)
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To: Man50D

Something is going to blow. Whether it’s secession or outright revolution or something in between is anyone’s guess, but the United States as we once knew it is over, and only a cataclysmic action will be able to restore it, and neither secession nor revolution is that cataclysmic. Hence, the America anyone over the age of fifty remembers is no more.


5 posted on 06/18/2009 3:51:10 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Man50D

I would love a new America that covers the Southeast and includes Texas, Oklahoma and Kanasas. Oh and we get Alaska as well.


6 posted on 06/18/2009 3:51:47 AM PDT by Abbeville Conservative (Sarah Palin is the best medicine for the Rino Virus.)
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To: Man50D
"Picture an America that is run not, as now, by a top-heavy Washington autocracy but, in freewheeling style, by an assemblage of largely autonomous regional republics reflecting the eclectic economic and cultural character of the society."

Great solution.
This is one of the reasons that Europe and the West in general raced ahead of China. No oppressive centralization. China had central control, their very alphabet was designed to work across all dialects and languages, which when spoken, could not be understood, but when written down, anyone in the kingdom could understand anyone else.

Europe was always pulling in 100 different directions, so if something was not allowed in one locality, you simply moved to someplace where it was allowed, and like today, you still have more freedom in Europe than in America, just not all in the same place.

The Obamunists are going to screw down the lid tight, and the steam is already building.

7 posted on 06/18/2009 3:54:41 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Man50D

What most liberals fail to understand is that their leisurely dabbling in progressive politics and moral equivalency is made possible by the existence of accumulated conservative moral capital. Remove the conservative anchor and progressive societies become dangerously seasick. I guess the lesson here is that liberals need conservatives more than conservatives need liberals (although society needs them on occasion).

Bears repeating.


8 posted on 06/18/2009 3:55:10 AM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: ought-six
Something is going to blow. Whether it’s secession or outright revolution or something in between is anyone’s guess, but the United States as we once knew it is over, and only a cataclysmic action will be able to restore it, and neither secession nor revolution is that cataclysmic. Hence, the America anyone over the age of fifty remembers is no more.

I wholeheartedly agree.
Cataclysmic change is in the works, how or when it all plays out is anybody's guess, but Obamunism is steering our leaky boat right into the storm, and it's looking like "The Perfect Storm".

9 posted on 06/18/2009 3:56:10 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Man50D

Ping for homw reading.


10 posted on 06/18/2009 4:01:55 AM PDT by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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To: Man50D
"There is much in progressive ideology that simply seeks to undermine -- a strange method of establishing an identity. "

Now there's a simple, yet intriguing observation that explains volumes and yields more insight with examination.
11 posted on 06/18/2009 4:04:40 AM PDT by Mister Muggles
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To: Man50D

FR is composed of older people raised in different times. Most young Americans are thumbsuckers, and saps for drivel coming from the media. There are not a lot of government minimalists among the young generation.

The common thinking among them is that government has to be better run, not that it should be tasked for fewer things. The latter is a foreign concept, and not even seriously considered.


12 posted on 06/18/2009 4:05:54 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: Man50D
That would be today, because he failed yesterday and all the days before. . . . .
13 posted on 06/18/2009 4:07:47 AM PDT by DeaconRed (RL BURNSIDE Has it exactly right-"Everything's Broken" &" Its Bad You Know". . . . .)
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To: Abbeville Conservative
Yep... and we will not sell the turncoats fuel or food... and they cannot take part in OUR Space Program... or be protected by our Defense Shield.

LLS

14 posted on 06/18/2009 4:09:11 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: Man50D
After he fails? After he brings ruinous debt on an already debt-crippled people? I think we need to be talking about what to do now, not after. It is already "after". Either free Americans start talking about forming a new nation, or I start looking for somewhere to go. I am not going to subject my descendants to liberal fascist hell. We have to find a way to make liberal fascists pay for their crimes: the monstrous debt, the warmongering, the crime-nurturing, degeneracy-sponsoring, baby butchering, job-killing, economy wrecking.
15 posted on 06/18/2009 4:10:51 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for bipartisan-ness)
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To: qwertypie
A quick look at those fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan lays to waste your misguided assumption.

LLS

16 posted on 06/18/2009 4:11:40 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: Man50D

Major ping


17 posted on 06/18/2009 4:13:17 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale Patriot)
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To: ought-six

I fear you are correct.


18 posted on 06/18/2009 4:16:36 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Man50D
Indeed, from the Sotomayor pick and anti-business rhetoric to the endless lecturing about America 's sins, Mr. Obama is starting to sound a lot like his former pastor

Not only the truth, but a simple talking point when talking to brain dead liberals.

19 posted on 06/18/2009 4:19:19 AM PDT by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: Man50D
OUR COUNTRY:
For a long time now ALL politicians have been lining their own pockets with OUR money.
From DC down to the City council in every town in America.
We have All been too busy trying to make a living that we have not been paying attention as we should have.
Our founding fathers knew this would happen. I think it was Ben Franklin that said a revolution every 25 years is healthy.
I think that if we don't replace 535 in congress plus 9 Supreme Court Justices and The president and the retarted VP then we can kiss America Good By. We probably need to do this every 25 years.
20 posted on 06/18/2009 4:21:12 AM PDT by DeaconRed (RL BURNSIDE Has it exactly right-"Everything's Broken" &" Its Bad You Know". . . . .)
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To: kalee
"I guess the lesson here is that liberals need conservatives more than conservatives need liberals (although society needs them on occasion)."

The occasions where society needs liberals eludes me....and I'm willing to try, despite the warning....

21 posted on 06/18/2009 4:24:04 AM PDT by libs_kma (F.U.B.O.)
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To: Man50D

If the Republic of Texas chooses a classics curriculum for its youngsters,
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How about being even more radical?

What if Texas complete privatized the education of its children and youth.


22 posted on 06/18/2009 4:25:19 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: ought-six
"...the America anyone over the age of fifty remembers is no more."

Just had to respond. I'm 52, and back when I was a young teenager, I had a pump action, single shot .22 caliber Crossman pellet rifle. Very powerful for an air gun, with a beautiful wood stock. It looked just like any other hunting rifle, especially when I had my scope on it. Any way, I used to go target practicing quite often in the nearby woods, and mind you, I'm in north east Massachusetts, so we're not talking about the boondocks here. I used to walk down the main drag with that rifle, on my way to the woods, and the cops would never bother me. They'd just drive by. Of course, I knew how to carry a weapon correctly, from an NRA Safe Hunter's Course, since I was about eight or nine, and as I said, so long as you weren't swinging it around by the barrel, the cops would just leave you alone. I never had a problem, ever. Not from the Police, not any neighbor. No one.

Now, forgetaboutit. Stuff like that is a thing of the past and won't likely ever come back. Too bad. I had a ball doing it and it was good prep for shooting expert in the Marines.

I'll tel you what, I wouldn't want to be a kid growing up now. I'm glad I was able to experience some real constitutional freedoms.

Yep, definitely don't like what's happening to my country...

23 posted on 06/18/2009 4:26:29 AM PDT by csense
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To: Man50D
When Obama fails it will be because he's convinced enough Americans to tire, as he has, of what used to be known as "America." Imagine what would have happened in Egypt had their priests adopted "liberation theology" rather than the standard of their fathers.

I have first hand experience in doing battle with Libertation Theology proponents while I lived in NM. (in the early 1980's)

Liberation Theology = Communism in a religious wrapper

This is exactly how the Sandanista's came to power in Nicaragua, but infiltrating an element of the Catholic Church there. (over the extreme condemnation of the Pope)

24 posted on 06/18/2009 4:27:41 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: qwertypie

FR is pretty mixed. Lots of folks under 40 here. Your later statement is true. We just finished a 26 year run where the majority voted consistently for smaller government, lower taxes, and strong foreign policy. Surveys show this has not changed in philosophy, but it has changed in voting behavior.

I believe now that every generation needs a Carter to teach us what failure is. The question is whether the political/media machine in place right now can maintain public opinion long enough to keep a majority Dem party through the 2010 mid terms and give Obama a 2nd term. If they can hold enough people ignorant to give them another 2-6 years, we are screwed. If not, our ideas will prevail as usual.


25 posted on 06/18/2009 4:30:01 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: Bon mots
The Obamunists are going to screw down the lid tight, and the steam is already building.

What is brewing is a bit more explosive than steam.

26 posted on 06/18/2009 4:31:40 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: Bon mots
Great solution.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not so fast! What about the blue counties and cities in the red states? Have you noticed that one of Utah's representatives is a Democrat? ( Thanks to Salt Lake City.)

Even within the red states there is quite a bit of tension between the inner cities and the suburbs and rural areas.

27 posted on 06/18/2009 4:35:54 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: ilgipper
I believe now that every generation needs a Carter to teach us what failure is.

If you're right, then for the first time in his life, obama is fully qualified for the role that has fallen in his lap.

28 posted on 06/18/2009 4:44:38 AM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: qwertypie

“The common thinking among them is that government has to be better run, not that it should be tasked for fewer things. The latter is a foreign concept, and not even seriously considered.”

Every generation of Americans needs to relearn this lesson. I remember the 70’s well. The performance of the left (which dominated US politics far more than it does now—much of that supported by callow youngsters), created the groundwork for the Reagan revolution.


29 posted on 06/18/2009 4:45:33 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: libs_kma

It’s like saying cancer is needed every once in a while...Progressives are a cancer on a free society...and it’s time to remove the tumor.


30 posted on 06/18/2009 4:49:22 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: ModelBreaker

Every generation of Americans needs to relearn this lesson. I remember the 70’s well.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I graduated from my graduate school in 1979 smack into double digit inflation, and burdened with unexpected debt. While in school my tuition increased 500% ( Yep! From $1,000 a year to $5,000). I went to the bank to see about a loan for starting a practice and was told the interest rate would be 21%. Even as things improved we still paid 15% on our home in 1982.

Remember the gas rationing and “even and odd” days?

I never voted for a Democrat again. And....May God bless the memory of Ronald Reagan.


31 posted on 06/18/2009 4:54:58 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Man50D

It is unfortunate that the author mentions ancient Egypt as an example. A free society is dynamic and allows for change, but usually of an ordered kind. This change is, however, organic - it comes from the people who adopt what works and reject things that don’t work. The goal of the left is a static society, like ancient Egypt, where everything is predetermined by an elite and everyone knows his place. A place where innovation is prohibited. We think of the leftists as wanting a lot of change because they want to undermine things that work (the family, education, etc.). But once they are done with the chaos of overthrowing traditional society, the left will impose a strict, inflexible Marxist orthodoxy that will not tolerate any innovation or change.


32 posted on 06/18/2009 5:03:15 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: Man50D

bttt


33 posted on 06/18/2009 5:04:56 AM PDT by petercooper (GOP: Big Tent Party??? Not if you are a CONSERVATIVE.)
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To: Man50D
"Picture an America that is run not, as now, by a top-heavy Washington autocracy but, in freewheeling style, by an assemblage of largely autonomous regional republics reflecting the eclectic economic and cultural character of the society."

You mean, the one the founders intended?

34 posted on 06/18/2009 5:05:21 AM PDT by naturalized
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To: Texas Fossil

Those riverboat boilers used to blow up quite impressively.


35 posted on 06/18/2009 5:05:35 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: ModelBreaker
Every generation of Americans needs to relearn this lesson.

Agreed. The 18 to 30 year old of today doesn't remember what a disaster Jimmy Carter was. Clinton was riding the wave of tax cuts enacted by Reagan with a Republican controlled congress that hadn't totally lost their spine. This age group hasn't experienced massive inflation, high unemployment. It is foreign territory for them.

36 posted on 06/18/2009 5:11:25 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: qwertypie

My 27 and 24 yr old kids are extremely conservative and question anything the media spits out.


37 posted on 06/18/2009 5:12:42 AM PDT by mom4melody
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To: listenhillary

Yes.

The really Big Stuff blows-in (implodes) before it blows-out.


38 posted on 06/18/2009 5:17:08 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Once a Republic, Now a State, Still Texas)
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To: qwertypie

Hahahaha. Where did this myth begin that most young Americans are all liberals? I’m younger than thirty.

Most of the liberals are the older people. Just look at the protests over the ‘Iraq War’. Bunch of old hippies had to go out with walkers.

The misconception that younger people being liberal is due to polls on college campuses which are dominated by women. Most young people don’t really care about voting anyway. All those young people that were supposed to show up in 2008 never did so.

There are only two main differences I see with young people. The first is that, unlike most liberals, they have no faith in Social Security or Medicare. They are for reforming Social Security. This is huge. FDR’s hold is finally broken.

Second, the education of young people is from an era of the Industrial Revolution. The problem is that we are now in the Silicon Revolution. The expensive university degrees are not going to lead anywhere. Many young people are frustrated. Frustration often has them end up wanting to dissolve themselves into a ‘mass movement’.

The first reason shows why there will be no long term liberal future. A good example of this phenomenon is in Europe as young people see the fraud of Socialism and don’t want to live their lives support old people. The second reason illustrates how young frustrated people can be easily manipulated.

However, mass movements cut both ways. When people got tired of being Nazis, they became Communists. When they got tired of being Communists, they became Anti-Communists. You get the picture. When Paul got tired of persecuting Christians, he became the most pious ‘believer’ of that faith.

In the long term, young people will end up siding against the government due to Social Security et all which they ALL understand. They don’t want to be taxed to pay for baby boomers.

Older people should stop being pessimistic (including Rush Limbaugh). America’s best days are ahead of it. Do you think greater than 50% of people being Pro-Life might have something to do with the young people? Do you think the destruction of newspapers and unions has something to do with young people?

Always remember that the mission of Barack Obama is to recreate the past. It is no mistake of why he is using Industrial Age era rhetoric. However, that time is long past. Such sayings are not working anymore.

Obama is liked only because of his personality. People disagree with his policies. Presidents are chosen more based on their personality (such as Clinton).

The big, big problem with Obama is that he has no grassroots. He has grassblades, but not grassroots. He didn’t get to his position in office based on the popularity of his policies. He got there by no one knowing what he stood for and him actively lying about what he was going to do.

Obama thinks that the President’s relationship to the people is like that of the potter and the clay. He will MOLD people to be what he wants! He literally believes life, liberty, and society exist because politicians made laws (instead of acknowledging the opposite, that politicians made laws because life, liberty, and society existed beforehand).

People love the teleprompter. But nothing Obama is doing is making him any popular but the opposite. Obama isn’t changing any minds on his policies. He isn’t going to reshape anything.

Obama Presidency will be, to historians, a classic example of rejection of Rousseau in Lockean America.


39 posted on 06/18/2009 5:20:25 AM PDT by Aquabird
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To: mom4melody

Because of your influence most likely. Way too many of our young are buying into going into debt to be brain washed by our progressive controlled colleges. Then the real world hits.


40 posted on 06/18/2009 5:20:57 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: Abbeville Conservative

Please include Nebraska also! We are a red state and don’t want to be left with the liberal losers!


41 posted on 06/18/2009 5:24:23 AM PDT by LeftiesBinWhinin (I have only one God - and he's not a politician.)
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To: Man50D

ping for later read


42 posted on 06/18/2009 5:25:09 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Man50D
If he doesn't fail, the secessionist will pay dearly.

“He will appear to be a man of distinguished character, but will ultimately become “a king of fierce countenance” (Dan. 8:23). With imperious decree he will facilitate a one-world government, universal religion, and global socialism. Those who refuse his New World Order will inevitably be imprisoned or destroyed until at last he exalts himself “above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he, as God, sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thess. 2:4).”

43 posted on 06/18/2009 5:27:38 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: rightwingextremist1776
Progressives are a cancer on a free society...and it’s time to remove the tumor.

I wonder how you, or anyone else here, thinks it is going to be "removed." The problem is that a huge number of people here believe they are "entitled" and they are not going to go away until and unless food distribution stops here. (I'm not talking about distribution to soup kitchens. I'm talking about distribution period.) When things begin to break down the government will probably be the last distributor and they will continue for as long as possible to distribute to the entitled. It will be a crime to hoard food. The end won't be pretty.

ML/NJ

44 posted on 06/18/2009 5:36:08 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Voter#537

Two words: Term Limits. Why Franklin didn’t convince Jefferson and Madison of this is beyond me. I believe they just never dreamed of career politicians.


45 posted on 06/18/2009 5:38:49 AM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Aquabird

Aquabird,
you touched on some very interesting points.

I think his popularity is largely due to his cult of personality. As soon as the conservatives (note I didn’t say Republicans) figure out a way to market their platform I think they will be a winner. I remember back to being a college student and thinking that the last thing I wanted to be was a robot following the dictates of “the system”. To be conservative in this climate is to be a true rebel and that is how we have to market this movement. We do not want to be molded/ we are not lumps of clay!


46 posted on 06/18/2009 5:43:30 AM PDT by joesjane (The strength of the pack is the wolf - Rudyard Kipling)
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To: gorilla_warrior

That’s the whole point of globalism. We will have nowhere to go if they succeed.


47 posted on 06/18/2009 5:51:45 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: ought-six

Just do not surrender your guns, under any circumstances.

They represent the last battlefield for Americans.

The people in Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia regretted doing it prior to being killed.


48 posted on 06/18/2009 5:54:18 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: Abbeville Conservative

The South Shall Rise Again!


49 posted on 06/18/2009 5:57:38 AM PDT by Wahoo82
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"Surveys show this has not changed in philosophy, but it has changed in voting behavior.

Because of SR media snowjobberol, vote fraud, and a dumbed-down electorate.

50 posted on 06/18/2009 5:58:17 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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