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Woman fined $1.9 million for illegal downloads
CNN.com ^ | 2009-06-18 | Elianne Friend

Posted on 06/18/2009 6:29:59 PM PDT by dayglored

A federal jury Thursday found a 32-year-old Minnesota woman guilty of illegally downloading music from the Internet and fined her $80,000 each — a total of $1.9 million — for 24 songs.

Jammie Thomas-Rasset’s case was the first such copyright infringement case to go to trial in the United States, her attorney said.

Attorney Joe Sibley said that his client was shocked at fine, noting that the price tag on the songs she downloaded was 99 cents...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigmedia; copyright; download; judicialactivism; mp3; p2p; riaa; sony; tortreform
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No comment, I can't get words out, only curses.

Sure, she was probably guilty as hell of file sharing. But $80,000 per song???

I'm sure she plans to appeal... but still...

1 posted on 06/18/2009 6:29:59 PM PDT by dayglored
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To: dayglored

I am convinced all the folks in Minnesota are all brain damaged.


2 posted on 06/18/2009 6:31:37 PM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: ShadowAce; Swordmaker

Tech pings? Maybe a Mac ping, what the hey....


3 posted on 06/18/2009 6:31:38 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Looks like the penalty for downloading a single song is worse than for armed robbery.

I wonder what they charge there for California stops.


4 posted on 06/18/2009 6:33:54 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: dayglored
I thought that the recording industry had stopped going after downloaders.

I'm guessing that this case was filed before that happened.

5 posted on 06/18/2009 6:34:07 PM PDT by SIDENET ("Join me or die. Can you do any less?" -Mr. Sparkle)
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To: SIDENET
> I thought that the recording industry had stopped going after downloaders. I'm guessing that this case was filed before that happened.

They're still going after them. But yeah, this is actually a second attempt to get her -- this one's been going on for awhile, it's not new.

6 posted on 06/18/2009 6:35:15 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Terrible. This is not justice. Justice would be to make her pay for the songs and sign an agreement not to do it again. Then if she violates that then assess fines. This is ridiculous.
7 posted on 06/18/2009 6:35:32 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: RobRoy
Looks like the penalty for downloading a single song is worse than for armed robbery.

Or manslaughter...

8 posted on 06/18/2009 6:36:01 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: RobRoy
> Looks like the penalty for downloading a single song is worse than for armed robbery.

Just you wait.... Hollywood and the record companies have been waiting for this moment. All hell's gonna break loose now.

Better turn off the Kazaa and BitTorrent settings....

9 posted on 06/18/2009 6:36:42 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

And what will 0bama and the ‘Rats get for stealing trillions from us, our children, our grand children and great-grandchildren? Probably re-election in 2012.


10 posted on 06/18/2009 6:36:49 PM PDT by LiberConservative
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To: devane617
I am convinced all the folks in Minnesota are all brain damaged.

They were probably just following the letter of the law of federal law which was written by the record lobby.

11 posted on 06/18/2009 6:36:52 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: SIDENET
I thought that the recording industry had stopped going after downloaders.

Boy am I glad I can buy through Amazon and ITunes...and if the music isn't available, I can get the used CDs on the cheap.

12 posted on 06/18/2009 6:37:26 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: dayglored

She should have said they were “undocumented downloads”.


13 posted on 06/18/2009 6:37:42 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: dayglored

No comment.I’m in the same biz.


14 posted on 06/18/2009 6:38:48 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: dayglored

Quess she should have paid .99 per song. She shouldn’t have her life ruined because of this. A little too nazi for me. It will probably be thrown out, but will cost her big bucks for attorneys.


15 posted on 06/18/2009 6:38:48 PM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: DuncanWaring

The first one or two were undocumented. The rest were anchor babies.


16 posted on 06/18/2009 6:39:48 PM PDT by cookiedough
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To: pray4liberty
> Terrible. This is not justice.... This is ridiculous.

The RIAA is trying to make up for years of stupidity (on their own part) for not recognizing a decade ago that the business model had to change.

Damn parasites, they sit between the creative artists and the eager listeners, reaping windfall after windfall for years with overpriced CDs, and they bitch when it falls apart.... they COULD have responded reasonably years ago, but now all they can do is squeeze anybody they catch.

Don'tcha know, their coke spoons are getting tarnished... they have to make their middleman cut...

17 posted on 06/18/2009 6:40:16 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
If she were black the false prophet Obama might pardon her. But since she's not she's screwed.


18 posted on 06/18/2009 6:41:02 PM PDT by South40 (Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance. ~Hussein Obama, Cairo, Egypt, June 4, 2009)
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To: Always Right
They were probably just following the letter of the law of federal law which was written by the record lobby.

Ignorant jurors.

19 posted on 06/18/2009 6:41:17 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Prowd gaduate of a Calefornica publik skewl.)
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To: dayglored

This fine is ridiculous. I wrote a book 30 years ago; a local history which had ties to a major event in Amrerican history. I have been thinking (and have the research) to write an historical novel based on that research. When I read these stories I wonder what I would do if someone stole my intellectual propoerty (in fact, the only reason I haven’t written it is I don’t know HOW to protect my idea because I cannot write it my self!)


20 posted on 06/18/2009 6:42:09 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: taxtruth
> No comment.I’m in the same biz.

At a amateur level, so am I (as a lifelong musician who has self-produced CDs starting 12 years ago).

The problem is that the business model had to change, and the RIAA refused to do it. They could have made the new technologies work in their favor... but no, they have to do things the old way regardless...

Buggywhip makers.

21 posted on 06/18/2009 6:42:22 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
Federal jury, huh?

Surprised she wasn't fined $7.8 trillion per song.

22 posted on 06/18/2009 6:42:37 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: CaptRon

And it would be a blockbuster movie.


23 posted on 06/18/2009 6:43:45 PM PDT by CaptRon
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To: dayglored
Lots more info here.

She is a mother of four, was using Kazaa, and reportedly had 1700 songs out for swapping. For simplicity, they only went after her for 24 of the 1700 songs. Otherwise, it could have been $136,000,000. A few more zeros, and she could retire the national debt. She turned down the usual plea bargain of $3K-$5K. Eeesh.

24 posted on 06/18/2009 6:44:39 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Obama: A day without TOTUS is like a day without sunshine)
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To: dayglored

Anyone on this thread that is in the M biz understands this ruling.The non music biz people will not.


25 posted on 06/18/2009 6:44:49 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: Always Right
They were probably just following the letter of the law of federal law which was written by the record lobby.

Two words: jury nullification

26 posted on 06/18/2009 6:45:18 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: RobRoy
Looks like the penalty for downloading a single song is worse than for armed robbery.

Hollywood luvs the porn peddlers, rapist, bank robbers etc - but they will fry you if you download their music for free...

I guess liberals know how to get tough when their money's on the table.

27 posted on 06/18/2009 6:45:34 PM PDT by GOPJ (...those who make non-violent revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.- JFK (Iran))
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To: mefistofelerevised
> Quess she should have paid .99 per song. She shouldn’t have her life ruined because of this. A little too nazi for me.

Well, her "crime" was the sharing, more than just the downloading. It's harsh as hell, because the RIAA didn't have to prove that anybody else even got a copy via her shares. They only had to prove "intent".

> It will probably be thrown out, but will cost her big bucks for attorneys.

I suspect it already has, though probably there are some pockets helping her out.

28 posted on 06/18/2009 6:45:54 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Navy Patriot
Ignorant jurors.

And judges instructions. Most jurors have no idea they can ignore all that. They just assume they have to follow what the judge tells them.

29 posted on 06/18/2009 6:46:12 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: dayglored
I use limewire.

The last CD I bought was a Monty Python double in 1997. It was appropriately named "The Final Ripoff". I kid you not.


30 posted on 06/18/2009 6:46:32 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: dayglored
Considering all the rest of what's going on in the world, this fits right in.
31 posted on 06/18/2009 6:47:20 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Prowd gaduate of a Calefornica publik skewl.)
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To: dayglored

It sends a message


32 posted on 06/18/2009 6:47:40 PM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: dayglored

Well, maybe just a few less Christmas presents this year.


33 posted on 06/18/2009 6:47:42 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: pray4liberty

Yes, but how many people have even heard of the concept of jury nullification. Most people would assume they have to follow the letter of the law. They do not realize they are the final arbitrators and can ignore a bad law if they wish.


34 posted on 06/18/2009 6:48:35 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Always Right

>>Most jurors have no idea they can ignore all that. They just assume they have to follow what the judge tells them.<<

Yeah, I was on jury duty once and told the rest of the jury that. Some of them did not believe me. In my job I deal with root causes. People don’t understand that a juror has a right to make his OWN decision. That is the whole point. He can be a racist sob that finds a black man guilty solely for his color. He has that right and if he is in unison with 11 of his kind, that black man is gonna have a bad day, inocent or not.


35 posted on 06/18/2009 6:48:49 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: NautiNurse
> ...it could have been $136,000,000. A few more zeros, and she could retire the national debt.

Ssshhh-hh-hh. The goobermint lawyers will hear ya....

> She turned down the usual plea bargain of $3K-$5K.

Yep. Somebody tried to prove a point. Unfortunately it was turned against them.

She was guilty. They should have used somebody who wasn't...

36 posted on 06/18/2009 6:49:04 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

New title: Jury awards plaintiff blood from turnip.


37 posted on 06/18/2009 6:50:58 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: RobRoy
> ..."The Final Ripoff". I kid you not.

Wow, that's... ummmm... GRAPHIC.

As a Python fan, I don't know how I missed that...

38 posted on 06/18/2009 6:51:59 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

I try to tell people that every single person being sought by the RIAA is being sought for making songs available for upload. My shared folder has a few songs in it so that I get more search hits. But they are all originals. :)

And most of the songs that are available are probably college kids using university servers, etc. I love it!


39 posted on 06/18/2009 6:53:20 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: taxtruth

I’m in the music biz - as a musician. But musicians are to the music biz what ford escorts are to the car rental biz.


40 posted on 06/18/2009 6:56:48 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: RobRoy
Jury awards plaintiff blood from turnip.

A cold beer says that it will be a California jury.

41 posted on 06/18/2009 6:57:47 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Prowd gaduate of a Calefornica publik skewl.)
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To: dayglored

Stuff like this will only help speed up the death throes of the mainstream music industry, which is fine by me.


42 posted on 06/18/2009 6:58:06 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: dayglored

It’s sort of a greatest hits compilation.


43 posted on 06/18/2009 6:58:07 PM PDT by RobRoy (This too will pass. But it will hurt like a you know what.)
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To: Always Right
They do not realize they are the final arbitrators and can ignore a bad law if they wish.

Too bad I wasn't on that jury...I would have been more than happy to introduce the concept.

44 posted on 06/18/2009 7:00:38 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://www.foundersvalues.com/)
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To: dayglored

“The RIAA is trying to make up for years of stupidity (on their own part) for not recognizing a decade ago that the business model had to change.”

Using your logic, we should all go down and steal the cars off the sales lots of GM and Chrysler, because their business models failed?

I have thought for decades that conservatism was about rule of law, sanctity of contract, and other archaic aspects of our society.

How old fashioned. I guess my society model is failed, outdated?


45 posted on 06/18/2009 7:01:08 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: dayglored

Amateur level maybe where you are at but at a pro level it’s a different ballgame.I’ve been in the biz for 30 years and the public has no idea what an average investment of a cd cost/record/album is.Each product can easily be in the millions.


46 posted on 06/18/2009 7:01:16 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: dayglored
hyphenated last name tells a lot...
47 posted on 06/18/2009 7:02:54 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: taxtruth
> Anyone on this thread that is in the M biz understands this ruling.The non music biz people will not.

My main gripe with this (other than the ridiculous scale of the fine) is that it means that "intent" alone is sufficient for conviction of file-sharing.

I find that a very dangerous "thought-crime" precedent.

Understand, I'm very sensitive to IP issues, I make my living on proprietary software and (to a small degree) making music. But this precedent is not good for freedom of thought and action.

48 posted on 06/18/2009 7:03:08 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: truth_seeker
> Using your logic, we should all go down and steal the cars off the sales lots of GM and Chrysler, because their business models failed?

Of course not.

I'm not justifying what she did, for cryin' out loud. She was wrong, and guilty.

But your analogy is flawed and illogical.

Taking real physical property like cars is stealing. If you don't understand the legal and ethical issues that differentiate intellectual property, file-sharing, and physical property, I can't help you, I don't have the time. Read up on it.

49 posted on 06/18/2009 7:07:57 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored

Me too. This is really sticking it to a person.

But what did you expect from a bunch of music thugs who are and have always been crooks. They have been stealing from the public from day one.


50 posted on 06/18/2009 7:08:58 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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