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EXCLUSIVE: Minn. lawmaker vows not to complete Census - (ALL questions must be answered?)
Washington Times ^ | 6/17/09 | Stephen Kinan

Posted on 06/19/2009 7:33:29 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32

Outspoken Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann says she's so worried that information from next year's national census will be abused that she will refuse to fill out anything more than the number of people in her household.

In an interview Wednesday morning with The Washington Times "America's Morning News," Mrs. Bachmann, Minnesota Republican, said the questions have become "very intricate, very personal" and she also fears ACORN, the community organizing group that came under fire for its voter registration efforts last year, will be part of the Census Bureau's door-to-door information collection efforts.

(SNIP)

Shelly Lowe, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Census Bureau, said Mrs. Bachmann is "misreading" the law.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; 2010census; acorn; census; censusbureau; corruption; democrats; donttreadonme; fascism; fed; obamabrownshirts
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1 posted on 06/19/2009 7:33:29 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

“Shelly Lowe, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Census Bureau, said Mrs. Bachmann is “misreading” the law.”

Well, that’s a nice reassurance. I’m sure I can rely upon my local ACORN representative/census taker to not “misread” the law. They do have a track record of painstaking attention to legality, you know. /s/


2 posted on 06/19/2009 7:35:42 AM PDT by henkster (Bumper Sticker: Please don't tell 0bama what comes after a Trillion!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Those who decline to answer these questions may receive follow-up phone calls and/or visits to their homes from Census Bureau personnel, and are threatened with prosecution and fines. No person has ever been charged with a crime for refusing to answer the ACS survey, which several US Representatives have challenged as unauthorized by the census act and violative of the Right to Financial Privacy Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey

3 posted on 06/19/2009 7:37:07 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I truly believe each and every conservative should tell them to come back with a court order if they want us to give them census data ...


4 posted on 06/19/2009 7:37:11 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Love Michelle she used to be my representative until we moved last year she is a riot she called bo’s government a Gang Sta government video is here...

http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/06/bos-gang-sta-government.html


5 posted on 06/19/2009 7:37:40 AM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Wow, is it that time again? I got the long form last time and battled the Bureau endlessly when I refused to let them know how many toilets were in my house (amongst other data).


6 posted on 06/19/2009 7:37:55 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Can we take the Fifth?


7 posted on 06/19/2009 7:38:42 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Nothing but number of people in the house from me.


8 posted on 06/19/2009 7:39:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

same here..nothing but number of people..


9 posted on 06/19/2009 7:40:14 AM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (I'm a Patriot Guard Rider..www.patriotguard.org for info..)
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To: Jackson57

“I have no recollection of the number of toilets in my house”

“I have no recollection”

It worked for Hillary


10 posted on 06/19/2009 7:40:40 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Once again, the most courageous conservative leaders continue to be women.Who’d a thunk. Ain’t what you had in mind, is it NOW?


11 posted on 06/19/2009 7:41:16 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
All they will get from me is our names, the number in our household and birthdates and places of birth.

If they ask for more I will simply tell them it is none of their business and they either take the information I am willing to give, or they can take none.

If they press the issue, I will order them off my property and call the Sheriff. Out here in small town Idaho...if they come...they will find that the Sheriff here understands and abides his duty to the people in this community.

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BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IN HIS OWN WORDS

NOW WE KNOW WHAT A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER DOES

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IT'S TIME FOR A RETURN TO THE OLD SCHOOL

12 posted on 06/19/2009 7:41:30 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

TITLE 13 - CENSUS
CHAPTER 7 - OFFENSES AND PENALTIES

SUBCHAPTER II - OTHER PERSONS

Sec. 221. Refusal or neglect to answer questions; false answers

(a) Whoever, being over eighteen years of age, refuses or willfully neglects, when requested by the Secretary, or by any other authorized officer or employee of the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof acting under the instructions of the Secretary or authorized officer, to answer, to the best of his knowledge, any of the questions on any schedule submitted to him in connection with any census or survey provided for by subchapters I, II, IV, and V of chapter 5 of this title, applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant, shall be fined not more than $100.

(b) Whoever, when answering questions described in subsection (a) of this section, and under the conditions or circumstances described in such subsection, willfully gives any answer that is false, shall be fined not more than $500.


13 posted on 06/19/2009 7:41:45 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

THEy will get the number of people in my home - and I will also answer my race - AMERICAN.


14 posted on 06/19/2009 7:41:49 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I’ve never answered these question other than how many people are in the household. This has been since 1970, and never once has there been a followup.


15 posted on 06/19/2009 7:42:52 AM PDT by Ex-Democrat Dean
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To: randog
I got the long form last time too.

"2 adults". Signed it. Sent it back.

Not a peep out of 'em.

This time, they'll get "2 adults. 2 children."

Eff 'em.

16 posted on 06/19/2009 7:44:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Dead Corpse

Me too, after that they sent some punk kid to my door and I told him number of peeps and bye,bye......


17 posted on 06/19/2009 7:46:26 AM PDT by cmsgop (Another proud graduate of the Larry Storch school of posting)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Ten years ago, I lived in NY state and got the long form. I told them how many people lived in my house, and how many were of voting age. That's it.

I had some oldie flunkie calling me every other night, trying to get me to redo it. I kept refusing. He asked to set up an appointment so he could personally ask me all the questions. I told him that he wasn't welcome on my property. I answered the constitutionally mandated questions, and had no interest in engaging in their unconstitutional social engineering schemes.

Finally, he got pissed off and told me that there would be trouble if I didn't comply. I hung up on him.

Ten years later, still no sign of "trouble."

18 posted on 06/19/2009 7:46:30 AM PDT by dead
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

What nonsense. The census is for headcount purposes only. Anything else is information the government doesn’t need.


19 posted on 06/19/2009 7:46:41 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: commish
and I will also answer my race - AMERICAN

I'll check "Other" and write in "homo sapiens."

20 posted on 06/19/2009 7:46:48 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Jeff Head
I wouldn't give them any more than the number of people. Everything else is a violation of my right to privacy. The whole process is an illegal intrusion by Obama into the previously apolitical process and he and acorn cannot be trusted even an inch. Kudos to any politician that stands up to these bullying bastards.
21 posted on 06/19/2009 7:51:50 AM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: Dead Corpse; cripplecreek; GeorgiaDawg32; Jeff Head; commish
All they will get from me is our names, the number in our household and birthdates and places of birth.

Yup. Me too.

Call it civil disobedience, defiance, a line in the sand, whatever, but I'm willing to take it as far they wish.

22 posted on 06/19/2009 7:51:57 AM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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Last time ‘round I answered “1 adult”.

Census worker showed up not long after, and started pressing for other answers. I simply replied something like “I have given all the information required by the Constitution, and anything beyond that requires a warrant.” ‘nuff said. Guy promptly left and didn’t bother me any more.

And yes I’d pay the $100 fine.
And then go to court demanding it back.

Checked the Census website recently. Funny how it’s smothered with “our employees are sworn to keep your information secret for life under threat of extreme penalties.” Considering how some thugs threatening voters & poll workers, having been convicted for a serious federal crime, mysteriously had their charges dropped without explaination ... I’m not so convinced by warm assurances of secrecy.


23 posted on 06/19/2009 7:52:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Good for her. I have not answered more than the basic “who lives here” question since the first census I participated in back in the 60’s. Nuts to them.


24 posted on 06/19/2009 7:52:54 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: ltc8k6

so should i just send the $100 check in with the census forms?


25 posted on 06/19/2009 7:53:11 AM PDT by kpp_kpp
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Screw those commies.

Stop playing ball.

Watch their magical unicorn cloud city come falling down, off the rainbow.


26 posted on 06/19/2009 7:54:05 AM PDT by Islam=Murder (The United States - surrendering to Sharia without a peep.)
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To: AAABEST
Call it civil disobedience, defiance, a line in the sand, whatever, but I'm willing to take it as far they wish.

Yep. Ditto.

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27 posted on 06/19/2009 7:54:05 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

BTW, guys: DO NOT LIE on the forms. Not answering is one thing, justifiable in court per delegated powers and enumerated rights. Willfully giving false information is something completely different which cannot be justified at all in court.


28 posted on 06/19/2009 7:55:16 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Do what ACORN and barry soetoro do — PLAY STUPID.

It gums up the machine, takes forever, and makes them do all kinds of work, WHICH THEY REFUSE TO DO.

The moment things require effort, the socialists quit bothering and move to the next person.

So just play dumb. Under race, put Indy 500. Then when they call you on it, say “Oh my God, what was I thinking! I meant Kentucky Derby!”


29 posted on 06/19/2009 7:57:42 AM PDT by Islam=Murder (The United States - surrendering to Sharia without a peep.)
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To: silverleaf

Good point!


30 posted on 06/19/2009 7:59:28 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: Ex-Democrat Dean
I’ve never answered these question other than how many people are in the household. This has been since 1970, and never once has there been a followup.

ACORN wasn't running the show. There will be intimidation this time.

Criminals threatening law abiding citizens with criminal prosecution. This is what America has come to.

Even more ironic is the fact that they are going to commit so much fraud that your answers are worthless anyway.

31 posted on 06/19/2009 8:00:22 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Same here.


32 posted on 06/19/2009 8:01:50 AM PDT by rintense (Senior Marketing / IT / UX architect unemployed and looking for work. Freepmail me if you have leads)
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To: Disambiguator

Inasmuch as i was born and raised in the US, I think I would answer “Native American”.


33 posted on 06/19/2009 8:04:49 AM PDT by Designed
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Makes me wonder if ACORN’s census collection “efforts” may spark the next “shot heard ‘round the world?”


34 posted on 06/19/2009 8:05:15 AM PDT by reegs
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To: reegs

I will not answer any census question that I consider inappropriate or none of the government’s business such as how much money I make etc.

None of their g.d. business.


35 posted on 06/19/2009 8:07:16 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: ctdonath2
Funny how it’s smothered with “our employees are sworn to keep your information secret for life under threat of extreme penalties.”

We used Census data to round up the Japanese in the 40s. Once government has information there is absolutely zero restriction on how it can be used. A privacy law now can be rescinded, judged, regulated or executive ordered into ineffectiveness tomorrow.

36 posted on 06/19/2009 8:09:45 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: GeorgiaDawg32
Here is a link to the actual survey. This is not officially part of the census, although ACORN and their types are bringing it with the census. Notice the last paragraph:

Respondents are not required to respond to any information collection unless it displays a valid approval number from the Office of Management and Budget. This 8-digit number appears in the bottom right on the front cover of this form.

I think some ACORN type folks are threatening folks with the 'census' law for the American Community Survey, which isn't mandatory.

37 posted on 06/19/2009 8:11:36 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Really what are they gonna do? I could ge real incomptetent real fast. Beg senior moment etc.


38 posted on 06/19/2009 8:13:29 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: ltc8k6
The American Community Survey is not legally part of the census, although the census bureau runs that as well, if you look at the census bureau website, they are careful to describe them separately. Also look at the post above this for the American Community Survey- it specifically states people are not required to complete it.. that means ACORNs threats are not legal.
39 posted on 06/19/2009 8:14:10 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: ctdonath2
BTW, guys: DO NOT LIE on the forms.
The difference between a $100 and a $500 fine.
And I would bet that if they do come after you for the $100 (which has never happened before) you could get it back in court.
Honestly answer the number of people in your household and leave it at that.
40 posted on 06/19/2009 8:14:44 AM PDT by astyanax (I'm here to spread peace, love and happiness... so get the f*#% out of my way.)
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To: Jackson57

agreed.


41 posted on 06/19/2009 8:14:47 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: ltc8k6

So, it’s a $100 ticket if you refuse to answer some of the questions? I’d bet some compliant judge would read that to say $100 for each question you refused to answer, but normal humans would read it the way I just did.


42 posted on 06/19/2009 8:15:25 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for the One to say something that isn't a lie)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

I want to know why we should give information to a fake POTUS and his fake administration?


43 posted on 06/19/2009 8:15:53 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
We used Census data to round up the Japanese in the 40s.

Excellent point. If needed, use it to get your $100 back. Stroke of a pen, and all that "secret" information becomes public.

44 posted on 06/19/2009 8:16:15 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: randog
applying to himself or to the family to which he belongs or is related, or to the farm or farms of which he or his family is the occupant

A quick read of the law tells me that I am required to answer questions about me, my family, and any farm or farms I own.

There is no requirement to answer questions about my finances, my house, my toilet, my TV, my internet or phone service, my vehicles, my pets, or my furniture.

Since I don't own a farm, that pretty much leaves just family member names and ages.

45 posted on 06/19/2009 8:17:08 AM PDT by WayneM (Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Palin/Bachmann 2012


46 posted on 06/19/2009 8:17:36 AM PDT by VTenigma
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To: freekitty

Considering all legally relevant data, he is POTUS and his administration is legitimate. If you have anything to the contrary* PLEASE SHARE and use proper channels accordingly.

(* - I mean info that would stand up in court, not hearsay.)


47 posted on 06/19/2009 8:18:40 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: ctdonath2

Census worker showed up not long after, and started pressing for other answers. I simply replied something like “I have given all the information required by the Constitution, and anything beyond that requires a warrant.”

Bingo


48 posted on 06/19/2009 8:18:41 AM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: WayneM

Why the particular interest in farms? Especially considering pending legislation which will severely regulate them! Nothin’ in the Constitution specially applies the Census to farms.


49 posted on 06/19/2009 8:20:05 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Jackson57

The constitutional authorization for the Census is to simply COUNT THE CITIZENRY for purposes of congressional apportionment, that is all.

If you answer any other question on the Census other than “how many people live in your household” you are a fool.

All I want is a government that gets itself out of my wallet and off my back, as the founders of this nation intended. Today that statement makes me an enemy of the state.


50 posted on 06/19/2009 8:21:01 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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