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The Birth Certificate Question: An Open Letter to Shephard Smith at FOX News
Family Security Matters ^ | 6-19-09 | Col. Bob Pappas (USMC, ret.)

Posted on 06/19/2009 10:27:18 AM PDT by smoothsailing

June 19, 2009

The Birth Certificate Question: An Open Letter to Shephard Smith at FOX News

Dear "Shep,"
 
I am a regular viewer of your program, specifically the evening news, since I work. I appreciate your show and the news you deliver. As one who watches Fox because of its Fair and Balanced coverage, It is most unsettling that you would refer to those who challenge Obama's eligibility as "right wing crazies." Your definitive statement, "there is no truth whatsoever that Obama is not a natural born citizen" is problematic.
 
As one not given to "conspiracy theories," the larger issue surrounding Obama's eligibility strikes at the heart of the Constitutional underpinning of virtually all oaths of office at the Federal level, including Obama's. Your comments trivialize that exceptionally important issue for all Americans and for me personally and millions of past, present and future military service personnel or for that matter anyone who takes an oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.
 
First, your assertion suggests that you have seen his original birth certificate. Okay, since you are in effect a "star witness" in a case of monumental proportions with millions Fox News viewer's being the jury, have you? If not, you might consider doing some no kidding investigative journalism and apologize to your viewers for the unfounded blather.
 
Second, there is considerable anecdotal evidence that Obama is not a natural born citizen. His eligibility is complicated further by his sojourn in Indonesia, or did you know that? It is my understanding that his step-father adopted him, is that true, or not? If so, the question then would be, "did that act confer Indonesian citizenship?" If so, where are the documents that "restored" his U.S. citizenship, if indeed he was natural born?
 
It is complicated even more by the fact that at the time of his birth his father, "The Old Man," was a British citizen, which alone would not be a show stopper, but given his paternal (Obama's father) grandmother's claim that she was present at Obama's birth in Kenya raises a legitimate question about citizenship, not to mention the "natural born issue." Is he a British citizen born of an underage American girl in Kenya? Would he then be a British citizen or an American citizen? Or, is he a dual citizen, and can a person with dual citizenship be President of the United States of America?
 
I would appreciate a definitive explanation of your rationale and sources, i.e., where did you get your information and an explanation so that would I can put this to rest. Because I would like to do exactly that, but it bugs the hell out of me that he is so clinched fisted about it, and so far you are an accomplice. I would expect that of MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN, but it disappoints me greatly that Fox News would stoop, no grovel for Administration approval at the expense of the right of the American public to know.
 
On the other hand, if you do not have any definitive data and please don't brush anyone off with the "old saw" that "Hawaii issued a certificate," especially since it is well known that Hawaii issues or issued certificates for people born elsewhere, please make it your business to find out.
 
Given Mr. Obama's commitment to be totally transparent with the American people, please explain in detail why he has gone to such lengths to deny discovery of any of his records. Or, is that an untrue allegation? If he has nothing to hide, what's the problem? Either way, you have a responsibility to the public to find out not summarily sweep the matter aside especially with unbecoming derisive comments.
 
One must conclude that you have a set of journalist integrity problems:
 
1. Either you have your mind made up without regard to the issues, or
2. You have been told what to say by someone with power over you.
3. You don't know what you are talking about,
4. Someone is buying you off,
5. You are biased and don't care about truth much less letting the truth to be known,
5. You are too lazy to discover the facts, or
6. All of the above, and more.
 
Finally, we either have a Constitution or it is an anachronistic piece of paper. In addition to the "natural born" requirement, which is arguably suspect in Obama's case, it appears that there is a legitimate argument that the courts are shirking their responsibility by refusing to adjudicate the matter. So, absent the legal process, how does one clear the air? It would not matter that 100% voted for Obama, if he is not qualified, he cannot be President under the provisions of the Constitution. To repeat what I've already noted, we either have a Constitution or we do not.
 
Sorry, but your backhanded and insulting treatment of those who have a right, not merely a desire, but a right to know, and that includes every American citizen, diminishes both you and Fox News.
 
Please reconsider your comments at the least, or better, do some serious growing up with respect to those whose sacrifices have given you the right and opportunity to be who you are and dig into it. You have an historic opportunity and you are blowing it.
 
 Semper Fidelis
 
FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Col. Bob Pappas (USMC, ret.) writes for Gulf1.com from his home in Florida’s Panhandle. E-mail him at pappas@gulf1.com.

COPYRIGHT 2009 FAMILY SECURITY MATTERS INC.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; eligibility; fox; ineligible; obamanoncitizenissue; truthers; usurper
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1 posted on 06/19/2009 10:27:18 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Good letter but way too many words for Shep to read.


2 posted on 06/19/2009 10:29:59 AM PDT by avacado
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To: smoothsailing

Excellent letter. Let’s hope Shep responds.


3 posted on 06/19/2009 10:30:01 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: smoothsailing

Smith is just a camera face, a performer, neither a journalist nor an investigator. His often misstates the truth and never backtracks. He is also extremely thin-skinned, so don’t expect this letter to do any good.


4 posted on 06/19/2009 10:31:40 AM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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To: smoothsailing

Shep has become just another MSM hack, too bad he is despoiling FOX News by his presence there. BTW, good letter, but there is zero chance this hack will pay attention or care, and his drone assistants will surely screen him from it anyway...


5 posted on 06/19/2009 10:31:41 AM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: smoothsailing
obama birth certificate sticker
6 posted on 06/19/2009 10:32:04 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: smoothsailing
Probably get more investigative journalism on this from Shemp -- Shep Smith doesn't want to know


7 posted on 06/19/2009 10:32:28 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Joann37

Months back I read a response that Barry has an application for employment at Fox and by law they cannot discuss anything personal about him (loophole). Don’t know if it has merit though. Can’t remember the source.


8 posted on 06/19/2009 10:33:31 AM PDT by freebird5850 (O-Bomba is not the Messia. Jesus was a carpenter and could build a cabinet!)
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To: avacado
but way too many words for Shep to read.

LOL! Some devilish producer at Fox should install the letter on his teleprompter, he'd read the whole thing before he knew what he was saying!

9 posted on 06/19/2009 10:35:17 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

ROFL!


10 posted on 06/19/2009 10:43:29 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: smoothsailing
I am NOT a fan of Sheppie, but I do appreciate the effort taken with this letter. I do not expect anything or any effort from him that might resemble journalistic integrity, but the attempt has been made to make him aware and I am willing to be surprised. Now, perhaps, we shall see if he has any character.
11 posted on 06/19/2009 10:44:41 AM PDT by GBA
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To: smoothsailing

Sheppy will glance at the letter and determine in the first paragraph it’s beneath him to even read it.

Sheppy hasn’t forgotten he’s supposed to present the news and not make it, he never learned it in the first place. He’s one sorry excuse for a newsman.


12 posted on 06/19/2009 10:44:57 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: smoothsailing
I switch channels when Shemp comes on.

I can't stand that mascara wearing little bioch!

13 posted on 06/19/2009 10:45:22 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: smoothsailing

The letter just repeats a bunch of the same old “facts” from the Birther mythology. Those “facts” are not true. The Birthers have no case.


14 posted on 06/19/2009 10:50:09 AM PDT by mlo
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To: LucyT; null and void

Ping-a-ling


15 posted on 06/19/2009 11:06:22 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: smoothsailing

I bet he answers as soon as he logs on to FR.


16 posted on 06/19/2009 11:07:19 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Jedidah

Shep wants to be another “Geraldo,” nothing more than a showboat.


17 posted on 06/19/2009 11:08:21 AM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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To: smoothsailing

Shep Smith does not inspire me to turn on the tube. Beck does. Beck would add millions of lead-in viewers to the O’Reilly show.

Why is FoxNews allowing Smith to prevent O’Reilly from surpassing Katie Couric’s ABC Evening News? It would be HUGE, in fact historic, to be the first cable news show to surpass an evening news show in viewership.

Beck will get O’Reilly there. Shep will not.


18 posted on 06/19/2009 11:11:56 AM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: GBA

“journalistic integrity”???

I would think not journalist, more like the dj type like gb!


19 posted on 06/19/2009 11:12:44 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: smoothsailing

Oh man, you’re gonna make his mascara smear!


20 posted on 06/19/2009 11:24:49 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: xzins

No doubt about it.


21 posted on 06/19/2009 11:29:33 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: mlo
The letter just repeats a bunch of the same old “facts” from the Birther mythology. Those “facts” are not true. The Birthers have no case.

Please specify which of the "facts" in the letter are false and present some evidence to support your assertions. Otherwise, your statements are completely unsupported.

22 posted on 06/19/2009 11:32:05 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: jazusamo

Mrs. Smooth calls him “that little girlyman”. LOL!


23 posted on 06/19/2009 11:32:09 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: freebird5850
Months back I read a response that Barry has an application for employment at Fox and by law they cannot discuss anything personal about him (loophole). Don’t know if it has merit though. Can’t remember the source. Doubtful. In the first place Obama was never in journalism as a profession. In the second place, what information would he have on standard a job application that isn't already public?
24 posted on 06/19/2009 11:34:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: mlo

One fact you simply cannot deny: Obama and the DNC have spent an enormous sum of money to deny anyone other than Obama access the original document in Hawaii.

That immediately leads to the following question: “WHY?”


25 posted on 06/19/2009 11:36:49 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: mlo

OK, so what are the facts, and how do you know?

That is the same question Pappas is asking Sheppard Smith.


26 posted on 06/19/2009 11:37:48 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: mlo

We need to see some of your “facts,” mlo. Post ‘em.


27 posted on 06/19/2009 11:40:39 AM PDT by Bernard Marx ("Civilizations die by suicide, not from murder" Toynbee)
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To: 17th Miss Regt
Please specify which of the "facts" in the letter are false and present some evidence to support your assertions. Otherwise, your statements are completely unsupported.

How about this one for a starter? "If so, the question then would be, "did that act confer Indonesian citizenship?" If so, where are the documents that "restored" his U.S. citizenship, if indeed he was natural born? "

The answer to the first part is easy; under Indonesian law even if Soetoro did adopt him then that would not make Obama an Indonesian citizen. As for the second part, even if he had been adopted by Soetoro and even if that adoption conferred Indonesian citizenship on Obama, that still wouldn't impact his U.S. citizenship status at all.

It is the same old stuff in a different wrapper.

28 posted on 06/19/2009 11:40:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: smoothsailing
Mrs. Smooth calls him “that little girlyman”.

She's right on the money. LOL!

I was too kind referring to Sheppy as newsman, should have said news person. :)

29 posted on 06/19/2009 11:44:36 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: mlo

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOL

keep up the buzzzzzing noise


30 posted on 06/19/2009 11:45:19 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: Ancesthntr

mlo is a fixture on threads about the BC...the strategy DENY and REPEAT


31 posted on 06/19/2009 11:46:18 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: xzins
It would be HUGE, in fact historic, to be the first cable news show to surpass an evening news show in viewership.

Actually he has already surpassed Couric, he is probably more afraid that Beck would surpass him, else Beck would be there.

32 posted on 06/19/2009 11:51:12 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: mlo
...Birther mythology. Those “facts” are not true. The Birthers have no case.

Obama himself has made the "case" by refusing to show his original long form birth certificate to the American public.

It's a simple request. If he's legitimately eligible to hold the office of the presidency, then he could (and should) squash all of the controversy by producing this simple document.

The fact that a man in the most powerful political position on earth refuses to do this, casts extreme suspicion on him.

Again, it's a simple request. If Obama's got nothing to hide, then why won't he show his original long form birth certificate to the public?

33 posted on 06/19/2009 11:51:43 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: keats5

LOL! I still remember Katrina. He really is the weepy sort, isn’t he.


34 posted on 06/19/2009 11:53:03 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: mlo
The letter just repeats a bunch of the same old “facts” from the Birther mythology

I'm trying to remember where I've seen that technique before...

1) Dehumanize by applying a derogatory label.
2) Smear.

35 posted on 06/19/2009 11:53:57 AM PDT by MarineBrat (The New York Times is a Communist Kamikaze.)
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To: Windflier

The fact that he is the man in the most powerful political position on earth, may mean that he just either doesn’t think this is important, or that he’s really busy as president, and just doesn’t have the time or inclination to appease those that need appeasement.


36 posted on 06/19/2009 11:58:56 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: avacado
Good letter but way too many words for Shep to read.

You beat me to it.

37 posted on 06/19/2009 12:03:55 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Shouldn't there be equal time for our Bill of Responsibilities?" -- Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: stuartcr
The fact that he is the man in the most powerful political position on earth, may mean that he just either doesn’t think this is important, or that he’s really busy as president, and just doesn’t have the time or inclination to appease those that need appeasement.

So, Obama is too important to care about this fundamental constitutional issue? What is he, a king?

Or, he's so busy that he "doesn't have time or the inclination" to answer to the American People?

What are you, a Royalist?

38 posted on 06/19/2009 12:04:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: smoothsailing

Bout time somebody called him on that babysh!t outburst!


39 posted on 06/19/2009 12:10:29 PM PDT by gunnyg
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To: mlo
Care to support what you say with any facts o your own, or do you just post out of arrogant ignorance to hear yourself do so? In saying this let me make one of the common falsehoods that you appear to be reasserting more difficult for you to utter. Go to this link from today's article on the two different types of Hawaii official documents at issue as it appeared in World Net Daily. Thus, when you assert that the Birth Certificate has been shown numerous times we will all know that you are not telling the truth.
40 posted on 06/19/2009 12:10:56 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Joann37
"Let’s hope Shep responds."

Why?

If he does, it will be the same kind of tortured CYA rationale that all of these liberal drive-by media types use when cornered. Shep is a complete loser--every one should have figured that out back when the "parking space" fiasco occurred. He's the kind of self important blowhard who, when denied immediate seating at a restaurant, responds with "Don't you know who I am?"

41 posted on 06/19/2009 12:15:51 PM PDT by Czar ((Still Fed Up to the Teeth with Washington))
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To: Windflier

Of course he’s not a king, and I certainly can’t answer for him. I’m just throwing out some potential reasons for the lack of appeasement.


42 posted on 06/19/2009 12:26:43 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Back again, eh? Care to cite the Indonesian law of the time that allowed one to have dual citizenship? We didn’t think so.


43 posted on 06/19/2009 12:28:14 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: mlo
The Birthers have no case.

What a load. If the "birthers" really "have no case" the case would die in the first court to hear the facts. If the "birthers" have no case, why spend nearly a million dollars trying to obstruct it, as the Zero has. It would be complete and total waste of money.

I think the conclusion is obvious and moreover, the conclusion is also obvious that you are shilling for the impostor.

44 posted on 06/19/2009 12:58:45 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Non-Sequitur
under Indonesian law even if Soetoro did adopt him then that would not make Obama an Indonesian citizen.

Maybe not, but as someone with a decades long involvement with Indonesia, and a part time resident there even now, I can tell you that Indonesia does not issue Indonesian Passports to non-Indonesian citizens. Nor does it issue Kartu Pendudks to them. Young Barry was passed off in Indonesia as an Indonesian citizen, and that could not have been done without possession of at least one of these critical documents.

Barry Soetoro's citizenship status stinks like yesterday's cod.

45 posted on 06/19/2009 1:04:15 PM PDT by John Valentine
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Back again, eh? Care to cite the Indonesian law of the time that allowed one to have dual citizenship?

Not at all. It's called Law Number 62 of 1958, and it's posted here.

If you look at Article 2, Section 1 you'll note that a foreign child under the age of 5 who is adopted automatically becomes an Indonesian citizen. Obama, being 6 or 7 when Soetoro took the family to Indonesia, doesn't qualify. Therefore he would have had to go through the naturalization process and based on the rest of Law 62 it doesn't appear that he was there long enough or old enough to do so. Also, I might add, nowhere in the law does it say that Obama would have lost his U.S. citizenship unless he voluntarily gave it up as part of the naturalization process. Which he could not do unless he was an adult, so had Obama been under the age of 5 and had Soetoro adopted him, resulting in Obama automatically becoming an Indonesian citizen, nothing prohibited him from retaining his U.S. citizenship.

We didn’t think so.

Keep thinking like that and you might hurt yourself.

46 posted on 06/19/2009 1:06:17 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: itsahoot

Couric gets nearly 6 million.

O’Reilly’s show gets about 3, iirc.


47 posted on 06/19/2009 1:08:10 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends those who seek His help.)
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To: John Valentine
Maybe not, but as someone with a decades long involvement with Indonesia, and a part time resident there even now, I can tell you that Indonesia does not issue Indonesian Passports to non-Indonesian citizens. Nor does it issue Kartu Pendudks to them.

And no doubt that is true. So the question becomes how do we know that he had either a passport or an identity card? Where would he have had to produce one, as a child under 10? If Soetoro said Obama was a citizen, where would he have had to show documentation to prove it?

48 posted on 06/19/2009 1:19:50 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: AmericanVictory; Non-Sequitur; mlo

I am a birther. (Although LucyT & nully may disown me after this post.) I’ve had a couple of discussions with N-S & mlo. They’re not out to prove us wrong. They simply do not believe we have proved our case. And that’s a fair assessment because we haven’t.

Take the Indonesian citizenship issue as an example. We have only the American Soetoro-Dunham divorce decree as evidenciary proof (as opposed to hearsay) that Soetorro adopted Obama. Even then we don’t know if the adoption occurred in the U.S. or in Indonesia. The Indonesian school records prove only registration, not adoption. We do not have Indonesian legal documents to back up the adoption claim. Since we can’t prove the adoption, we also can’t prove he obtained Indonesian citizenship through that adoption. We also cannot prove that Obama had an Indonesian passport, which would be another way to prove citizenship.

While Indonesian law may indicate that Obama had to be an Indonesian citizen in order to attend school there or that he lost his U.S. citizenship if he became an Indonesian citizen, our courts are not bound by Indonesian law.

Since we can’t prove he was ever adopted or obtained Indonesian citizenship, we also cannot prove that he ever lost his U.S. citizenship or needed to reaffirm it.

We have lots of “probably” and “likely,” but sadly we haven’t proved our case and can’t do so without access to those records.

Flame away. *cringes*


49 posted on 06/19/2009 1:45:56 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: xzins
O’Reilly’s show gets about 3, iirc.

Just repeated O'Reiley's claim last night.

50 posted on 06/19/2009 1:46:11 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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